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The EADD Kratom Thread v1. Chew those leaves? Bleugh!

mydrugbuddy said:
yeah ive got red vein thai this time, it seems to be far more stimulating than red vein borneo, that gave me a nice warm relaxed fluffy headed cosiness. I'm gonna order more of that, except stocks seem to be running out on the sites that i know of. That seems to be the most popular and highly recommended strain.
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Pro-tip, if you want to spend less and maintain daily, order some crushed leaf as well, not just the powder, you can stretch weight for so much longer.
 
cheers. I bought the leaves from the local headshop, i ended up just putting them in a blender anyway to turn them into powder. I may not blend them next time and try your chewing technique instead. I dont really want to be using it for maintenance, ideally its gonna be a fortnightly treat, or something like that.
 
I've read about this elsewhere, but I think it bears repeating, especially for Euro kratom-users who may be tempted to throw a little alcohol into the mix.

On Saturday evening I treated myself to the last of my kratom (about 15g or so) along with a couple of beers - and I mean a couple.

I was awoken by progressively more violent coughing; not the type that makes you feel as though your lungs are about to explode, but persistent and uncomfortable nonetheless.

After five minutes of trying to suppress this, my mouth suddenly became filled with chunks of vomit. Fortunately I was near enough to an empty polythene bag to spew the remainder into it.

I haven't vomited through alcohol alone in ages, and I hardly ever vomit through the combination of alcohol and opis. I hadn't eaten for hours either.

Anybody else experienced this?
 
No. It is fortunate that you woke up, lest a Jane from Breaking Bad scenario might have happened. I sometimes get this type of coughing in the night, i think it might be caused by dust or dust mites in the bed sheets. I sometimes get paranoid that i have swallowed a spider or something in my sleep as it feels like there is something stuck or agitating my throat. Sorry, thats probably not a very helpfull reply.
 
It's weird - I've always been careless with downer combos and I always wake up well before vomiting.

This could easily have happened in my sleep though, as you say.
 
that is weird, I've never noticed kratom having a strong depressant effect like that. But I don't get people saying GBL/opis/alcohol/benzos is dangerous either cos I do that a fair bit and I don't notice the depressant effect. So YMMV I suppose :) YES IT IS DANGEROUS! ;)

The times I've got in serious health-risk trouble from downers have been etizolam and booze. Never from opis or GBL. But I am much more careful recently than I have been in the past.
 
It was the emetic qualities of the kratom combined with the beer, not the depressant effects per se.

I've routinely had far more dangerous cocktails of depressants down my throat and not had any trouble whatsoever. I'd put it down to an allergy had I not read about it elsewhere.
 
emetic, OK sure, I sort of bundled that up with depressant because of the "choking on vomit" effect but sure, not the same thing. Kratom has never made me puke either though :)gag,yes. Puke no.
 
Yeah, the problem is usually getting the stuff down. Not regurgitating it eight hours later!

I'm going to give it one more go, I reckon, till payday comes and while I'm too poor to buy any oxy / other real opis.

If the results aren't more convincing this time around, I'm writing it off as yet another load of foul-tasting Southeast Asian snake oil.
 
In the early days I used to puke frequently from kratom, it's a matter of tolerance and not being used to the taste, having said that though, I drank huge amounts on it with no issues, worst that happened to me was also doing etiz and a lot of beer with it and waking up having shat and pissed myself.

If you're new to it, take it easy, go slow, don't consume big amounts all in one go, go gradual and avoid mixing with benzos and beer
 
knock said:
You sounded pretty convinced when you posted about it previously :D Too convinced, I thought.
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Yeah, maybe. The weekend's a blur, so there's every chance it worked better than I thought.

Disgusting substance to ingest though. Just where do these jungle dwelling savages get such ghastly ideas?

Mental Kenny said:
If you're new to it, take it easy, go slow, don't consume big amounts all in one go, go gradual and avoid mixing with benzos and beer
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All good advice, I'm sure, but I think the stuff's too weak for me in general. Certainly too weak not to require enhancement with benzos and beer.
 
I'm all out now, unfortunately, hence why I'm on the AH stuff, but usually I take two ounces a day, I developed an iron stomach, normally it takes me four loaded teaspoonfulls in the morning just to feel good(as in not in WD), then I build from there. With some weaker strains I do up to 70 grams a day, normally I order a kilo and a half from two different vendors each month and have done so for years.

I need at least 20 grams to feel properly opiated, the only proper opiates I can compare with are oxy, hydrocodone, oral morphine, o-dt, subs, poppy tea(both pod and seeds) and today I can say AH-7921, but for me unless I go above 40/50 mgs of oral oxy, I like the kratom better. It just agrees with me, I completely understand how others might feel it's underwhelming though, especially if you have tried heroin before.

I don't think you'd be able to enjoy it if you'd been on heavy duty opiates for an extended period of time.

The longest I did a proper opiate was a three month oxy habit when working in the US, used to do 40/60 mgs a day on top of kratom, obvously less than I would if taking individually, without the kratom I would drop a whole OC80.

Also with the benzos, I was on daily etizolam for a year and obviously on the kratom for the entire time, they mix wonderfully with beer as well and for a time, after quitting the etiz I couldn't get to enjoy the kratom on its own anymore, luckily after six months in Australia, I was back to enjoying as I should.

My advice before was just trying to play the HR thing, it stands if you're new to the kratom though.
 
Maybe I am wasting my time then. Though it seems like such an appealingly cheap (and legally obtainable) option.

One more trial then, and if that doesn't deliver then I'm going to leave it to the white-folk-with-dreads brigade.
 
Sammy G said:
One more trial then, and if that doesn't deliver then I'm going to leave it to the white-folk-with-dreads brigade.
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Nah, it's actually a peasant drug, my good friend from Thailand looked at me in disgust when I told him I was a kratom user years ago in uni, he's from a very rich urban family and said it's only poor farmers in the countryside that take it, he was very intrigued at why I was doing it.
 
It's a peasant drug in Thailand but, like most ethnobotanicals, in the West it's mostly used by exactly the crowd Sammy mentions. The ones who talk about meat being unethical but carry on buying cocaine.
 
I don't think me and Kenny fit into the white dreads stereotype and we're the only EADDers I can think of who've had much of a habit.

I was a veggie for a while and I took cocaine at the same time so maybe I'm just blind to myself.
 
No offense, hey, I am a psytrance & juggling & DMT kind of guy, when I see white people with dreadlocks, that's probably my kind of party, but they're easily made fun of, and there's a lot of them who are into natural drugs, even self-righteous or chauvinistic about it.
 
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