The EADD I'm Fucked Megathread - We don't even know what month it is...

[swampdragon]

Alright.. it's just.. are you not just replacing one drug with another? Is there no chance of just slowly edging towards sobriety?

 

[Nicklazz]

Um. Isn't that meant to be a bit peevee-ish? And moreish?

peevee-ish No, not at all. Moreish, yes indeed.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Alright.. it's just.. are you not just replacing one drug with another? Is there no chance of just slowly edging towards sobriety?

well, the ideal is to be able to use recreationally only.

Since i cannot stick to that with opis or even kratom i might try this pentedrone stuff for a while longer and see how i go. There is a chance of slowly edging towards sobriety, i am getting there gradually and haphazardly, its not a very enticing prospect but it is in my own long term best interests, but as i tend to be an all or nothing drugs pigs im looking for something that i can use recreationally, once or twice a month or something. It might speed up my progress towards sobriety if i dont start a pentedrone habit though, you are right, and tbh i can allready see myself justifying re-ordering kratom "to deal with the comedown" which would just set me back, again.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Sobriety is highly overrated.

 

[swampdragon]

Yeah, I think you do sometimes try to rationalise/justify your use, such as "dealing with comedowns" etc. Might be a good idea to watch out for that, and accept when you're actually just wanting to do something for the recreation of it.

 

[ColtDan]

Might be time to finish off my amazing wonky

 

[Sammy G]

Yeah, I think you do sometimes try to rationalise/justify your use, such as "dealing with comedowns" etc. Might be a good idea to watch out for that, and accept when you're actually just wanting to do something for the recreation of it.

It's not just comedowns, but these 'low moods' which people (not just you, MDB) use to justify their drug use. At least you recognise the potential for problems, but remember that even semi-regular stim use can precipitate a vicious cycle of dosing whenever you feel 'low', when it's the stims causing you to feel low in the first place. And don't judge a drug's after-effects by the following few days either. You'll find that your 'comedown-free' drugs feel okay immediately afterwards, but actually drain you well into the next week and beyond.

Might be time to finish off my amazing wonky

Yeah, what time could possibly be better than Monday mid-morning, huh?

 

[ColtDan]

Does the time of day really matter with ket.... No lol. Might leave it till this afternoon anyway tho. enough to hole a few times. and been pretty much sober 3 days. best ket ive ever had, glorious... and fucking expensive

 

[Sammy G]

Does the time of day really matter with ket.... No lol.

I suppose if you look at it like that... :D

To be fair, if I had ket then I'd take it for sure. Maybe not first thing on a Monday though!

 

[yoyo50]

Still got 0.2 or so left, town then on it! PV that is

 

[Raasyvibe]

Decriminalisation I can see a lot of sense in

Really?!? Do please explain. I'd be fascinated to hear why it would be an improvement to have drugs made equally as available as they would be if fully legalised but rather than being a regulated industry the supply is left completely to existing criminal networks.

I can see sense in decriminalisation. I do not agree with it, but can appreciate some arguments. Same with the legalisation of some of the softer illicit substances. Someone can come out with a considerable case. But to have the entire spectrum of illegal drugs sold over the counter is ludicrous.

To have crack and heroin available over the counter is something I'm shocked I even have to argue with. I've seen what those drugs do to people (Well, particularly heroin) and to have them so conveniently available for all members of the public is (imo) an insane thing to suggest.

Fighting heroin addiction is difficult enough without having it readily available at the chemist, in every city, town and village. With prohibition, it gives people a chance to dissociate from the drug by cutting off contacts, or move town even as you did yourself.

I accept what you say about ex-smokers and alcoholics managing to stay away from addiction despite the availability, but we face enough problems with people fighting tobacco and alcohol abuse because of their availability as it is, why increase this by throwing even more dangerous drugs to the mix?

In terms of making usage safer by making them legal, remember as it is the law supports safe drug taking - testing kits for your heroin and other drugs are available so you can test it's purity, clean needles are provided, rehabilition clinics exist, police take no action or involvement with any hospital admittances.

Your next argument is that heroin and crack are easy to get hold of anyway, so making them legal wouldn't make a difference. I find this shockingly ignorant also. ScotchMist echoed your argument.

Cos heroin and crack are really hard to get hold of at the moment aren't they.

Raas, drugs are widely available and becoming more so all the time, if they're available from a shady guy or a chemist whats the difference

I will accept that the DarkWeb has made a considerable change to the availability of drugs, but even that isn't so simple. With sites being hacked, shut down by police many on this site alone have expressed they will not use them in fear of their addresses floating around and police banging on the door at 5am. Purchasing bitcoins online and anonymising them is not so simple to a lot of people. Also the prices are ridiculously high.

Scoring drugs off the street cannot be compared to the simplicity of purchasing them legally.

First off it depends on the town. In my town for instance, crack is very rare. Heroin is a problem.

As dealers don't wish on being so transparent with fear of undercover police, typically you have to know someone who knows someone etc. And it's not so easy persuading them to chase up drugs for you when they get nothing from it. Typically you have to give them a cash or drug incentive. If you've been bought up in a rough estate where drugs are prevalent and you know a lot of people, yes you may find it easy. For the rest of us, it's a long arduous process of paying people off to score drugs for you... and by the time it reaches your hands you have to wonder how many people have dipped into your bag.

I could hop on a train and have a bag in my hand within an hour even though I know not one dealer.

I'm sorry but scoring drugs off the street like this is not so straight-forward.

I moved away to Derby as I attended University years ago. With no contacts at all, I attempted to score heroin off the streets. I found 2 homeless people asking for my change, I told them if they could find me a heroin dealer I would make it worth their while. It was late so we arranged to meet at a designated place the next day. I was quite nervous about what I was getting myself into, so I drank some wine before leaving to give me confidence, and stuck a tool in my pocket for security incase the worst happened. (Bit more stressful than going to a chemist, eh) After all that they never showed up... a friend suggested they may have thought I was an undercover cop.

I really wish it was so straight-forward as you suggest.

Also consider many professional people do not involve themselves with drugs and those who take drugs, at risk of tarnishing their reputation. Police action could ruin their careers. Legalising drugs would change this for them.


So no. In my experience scoring a specific drug is not so easy for everyone, certainly not comparable to picking it up in a chemist.

Because... ? As Matt points out, the real risk with LSD is being sold something else that isn't LSD. LSD itself is an incredibly safe drug - certainly physically safe even in the most extreme "OD" situation, I'd also argue it's safe for the vast majority of people as long as proper information and advice were widely available. You seem to have some very strange ideas about LSD - what is it about it that concerns you so much over and above other psychedelics?

LSD is not an incredibly safe drug. Legitimising it put's it's availability to all members of society, and many people don't understand it's strength and have awful experiences. FoolsGold for instance, was saying how LSD put him into a mental health clinic and gave him horrific experiences. Getting HPPD is always a risk with a drug of that strength, I do not fancy having that for the rest of my life.

And that is relevant how...? And you know this to be the case from...? All drug combinations are considerably more dangerous or is it maybe just that dangerous drug combinations are dangerous? How does prohibition prevent them from being dangerous? How does prohibition prevent people from combining drugs whether dangerously or otherwise?

I'd imagine such availability would temp more people into combing drugs when they go out, no? For instance Coke and alcohol is a popular combination, despite being very poisonous to the liver.

 

[Shambles]

I'll skip the first part of your post as it's a rehashing of old arguments you've already lost so no point saying anything in response.

I'm sorry but scoring drugs off the street like this is not so straight-forward.

You have to be kidding me. I'm really not kidding at how easily I could score despite not knowing anybody. If you are not in that same position I would suggest it is because you have never been addicted so heroin is still some kinda "secret forbidden pleasure" to you. Any junky can score in any town in the land. I won't spell it out here cos it would break the BLUA but there are two absolute dead cert methods I can think of immediately which work even in tiny rural villages like this - albeit you may have to travel in some circumstances. Travelling is not the same as struggling though.

I'd imagine such availability would temp more people into combing drugs when they go out, no? For instance Coke and alcohol is a popular combination, despite being very poisonous to the liver.

I refer you to the above (and add a third method). You never seen coke sold at pubs before? It's the #1 place to score coke anywhere afaik.

Apologies for responding to your massive post with such a brief one but you're just not putting up anything that merits a response and are but digging the hole deeper for the most part. I do realise how patronising that sounds. I say it partially cos it is patronising but mostly cos it's true. Focus on the latter and you may have a hope of putting up a defence. Continue to focus on the butthurt former and that hole just gets deeper and deeper...

 

[Raasyvibe]

I'll skip the first part of your post as it's a rehashing of old arguments you've already lost so no point saying anything in response.



You have to be kidding me. I'm really not kidding at how easily I could score despite not knowing anybody. If you are not in that same position I would suggest it is because you have never been addicted so heroin is still some kinda "secret forbidden pleasure" to you. Any junky can score in any town in the land. I won't spell it out here cos it would break the BLUA but there are two absolute dead cert methods I can think of immediately which work even in tiny rural villages like this - albeit you may have to travel in some circumstances. Travelling is not the same as struggling though.

Keyword: Any "Junkie". Only the most experienced would find it easy. (And still far harder than going to the chemist) For a lot of people, scoring off the street is difficult and stressful. Legalising would make it easy for everyone.

Apologies for responding to your massive post with such a brief one but you're just not putting up anything that merits a response and are but digging the hole deeper for the most part. I do realise how patronising that sounds. I say it partially cos it is patronising but mostly cos it's true. Focus on the latter and you may have a hope of putting up a defence. Continue to focus on the butthurt former and that hole just gets deeper and deeper...

Well ditto. I didn't think legalising heroin and crack deserved a response, why I skipped it the first time. This time all I've done is state the obvious to you - how am I digging myself into a hole by doing that?

 

[misplaced energy]

Few lines of meph to liven my boring Ass night up. Anybody on my level?

 

[Shambles]

Because all you've done is make arguments for legalisation labelled wrongly is how. Nothing you've said suggests that prohibition is better in any way, more or less everything you've said suggests legalisation would be an improvement. Nobody said anything about ideals - improvements is what we need cos the current situation is beyond horrific. If you can't see that... the hole is way over your horizon line and you are possibly beyond rescue.

Yes any junky can score in any place in the land. How many people who take heroin are not junkies? Yourself is one. How many others do you know?

 

[Raasyvibe]

Because all you've done is make arguments for legalisation labelled wrongly is how. Nothing you've said suggests that prohibition is better in any way, more or less everything you've said suggests legalisation would be an improvement. Nobody said anything about ideals - improvements is what we need cos the current situation is beyond horrific. If you can't see that... the hole is way over your horizon line and you are possibly beyond rescue.

Eh? I'm talking practically on how legalisation introduces dangerous drugs to a much broader slice of the public. Drugs obviously cause problems in society. Making them more available and prevalent is not a smart move. I can't see how you interpret that as supporting legalisation!?

Yes any junky can score in any place in the land. How many people who take heroin are not junkies? Yourself is one. How many others do you know?

It takes time and you're vulnerable to getting ripped off. It's not like you'll get a receipt and a 7 day money-back guarantee. I know a few people who take heroin but are not addicts. Yourself would be a good example.

 

[Shambles]

I was an addict for over a decade so not such a great example really. Especially given the point about being able to score anywhere in the land if I so wished through that junky magic we have.

I've pointed out - as have others - repeatedly why the points you've made have been nonsensical in regards to prohibition but fit perfectly with legalisation. I can't hold your hand all the way.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Many people are open and vulnerable to being addicts. You don't seem to appreciate how making such a considerable change in the ease of availability would allow the drug to find more people. And find it's way back to former addicts, who would otherwise have cut off their connections.

You've tried to argue that ex smokers and alcoholics can stop despite the availability. Well guess what: a lot don't. Weren't you saying recently that you found quitting smoking easy, but it always finds it's way back to you? The prevalence of alcohol and tobacco causes enough problems as it is, let alone throwing crack, heroin, speed etc into the equation.

 

[Shambles]

You seem to be pulling presumptions from your posterior. That is not a reasonable argument it's just making shit up.

Your attitude is paternalistic in the extreme. Who are you or I or anybody else to try to force anybody to not do something that harms nobody but themselves? At least it could be that way. At the moment it hurts immeasurably across many lands because of prohibition. All that pain could be wiped out in a stroke leaving just the individual to deal with their own shit. It wouldn't even cost the NHS cos savings on drug enforcement cancel that out a gazillion times over. Yes the individual still has painful choices to make. They do anyway. The difference is in terms of how many innocents have to pay too.

 

[Eveleivibe]

On the one hand drugs should be legalised because it is less chance of them being pure with nothing added to "make money." Safer in terms of the person buys the otc n less chance of criminal acts ie being beat up if owing lots of money; one dealer beating up another who is on their patch etc.
other the other hand there is more accessibility / temptation for addicts, trying to quit; another thing the government will tax n wont altogether stop crime as addicts will still get into debt n may rob for drugs. Addicts would have the worry of facing stigma everytime they get their fix.