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Only way I used to smoke it, day in day out. Don't miss those days. Soap bar too, remember being fucked on mdma once, shottie bottle in between legs along with beer bottle, sipped from dirty shottie bottle water. Not my finest moment.
 
This ket is the absolutely tits... the last stuff i got was good but this is nuts, instant hard hitting onset
 
Only had it once by mistake at a warehouse rave. Never again. Was not my cup of tea. Saying that everyone says it's better to take in a calm setting.
 
Thought as much..

I'd also be interested in your (raaa) long list of harms that you speculate would come from legalization..
 
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Where you getting your stats from raas?

(Genuinely interested) I gave a link in the original post that you quoted from:
I gave you a link in the original post, that you responded too

(This is observably true in Portugual, where recreational amount of drugs are decriminalized. Use has significantly risen with all illicit drugs, even doubled with some.

from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal#Observations

Reported lifetime use of "all illicit drugs" increased from 7.8% to 12%, lifetime use of cannabis increased from 7.6% to 11.7%, cocaine use more than doubled, from 0.9% to 1.9%, ecstasy nearly doubled from 0.7% to 1.3%, and heroin increased from 0.7% to 1.1




I'd also be interested in your (raaa) long list of harms that you speculate would come from legalization..

Decriminalisation I can see a lot of sense in.

Legalization however I think is a bit silly. namingly:

-Availability of heroin and crack are major concerns, seeing first hand how they can ruin people and how addictive they can become. With the current system, if you run into problems you can cut your contacts off, maybe even move town if it's severe. If drugs were available like this legally over the counter, conquering an addiction would be very hard to put off over a life time.

-LSD is another concern.

-People thinking all drugs are acceptable

-Drug usage would grow tenfold due to availability, and all kinds of physical and mental health problems would occur

-Drug combinations becoming more popular, which are considerably more dangerous


I think most of this is pretty obvious...
 
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lol. My reasoning is mental health problems which people have incurred through it's use. While some may find themselves able to cope with it, making it available to the entire public I feel could be very dangerous.


Brimz, never tried White Port - and don't think I ever will. lol



Red all the way, man
 
lol. My reasoning is mental health problems which people have incurred through it's use. While some may find themselves able to cope with it, making it available to the entire public I feel could be very dangerous.
there's an implication here that 100% of the public will start doing drugs (or at very least will try drugs) the day they are decriminalised.

the fact is that drugs are widely available already. sure there are people who won't try them now purely because they are illegal but there's a large population who won't try them even when/if they are decriminalised.
Brimz, never tried White Port - and don't think I ever will. lol



Red all the way, man
if you like ruby/tawny port, why wouldn't you consider just trying white port? you should. it's awesome.

alasdair
 
there's an implication here that 100% of the public will start doing drugs (or at very least will try drugs) the day they are decriminalised.

the fact is that drugs are widely available already. sure there are people who won't try them now purely because they are illegal but there's a large population who won't try them even when/if they are decriminalised.

Not 100% Ali, but if all drugs were legalised they'd reach out to far more people... some may see that as a good thing, but considering the broad differences in the spectrum of drugs I'd say certain ones should be controlled as the availability would be dangerous to vulnerable people.

if you like ruby/tawny port, why wouldn't you consider just trying white port? you should. it's awesome.

alasdair

I'm not spending my hard earnt money on chemical-infested white shite. I may try it if someone would buy me some...




my birthday coming soon 'n all
 
I think drugs shiuld be legalised in the name of harm reduction. Would stop dealers adding stuff to them to make money. For instance, adding fentanyl to heroin. Addicts will do anything for their fix. These people are prying on the vulnerable - and thus legalising drugs would prevent this.

Evey
 
No more meph not have been for a while, tried getting more but no answer so beer time again. Since monday I have drank about 55 33cl normal beers 4,6%. Or normal here in Denmark.

Cheers tho' :D
 
Drugs like coke, ecstacy, weed, & others with a higher profile, yeah, maybe there'll be a wee burst of enthusiasm (& perhaps addictions & fatalities) the moment these become available at Budgens. But I mean come on, we're an advanced species, I'm certain we can work out some way that drugs can be distributed in a more controlled manor than either they, or alcohol, are controlled & distributed now!

No-one is suggesting that suddenly, overnight, deadly & addictive drugs would become widely available, cheaply! It's never gonna happen that way! But the present RC scene, & the progress being made in Colorado on recreational weed, offer a rough blueprint as to how some drugs that are presently controlled might be quietly unbanned in the future.

The medicinal & therapuetic use of drugs such as Psilocybin, LSD, MDMA & herb also open the publics & the media eyes & minds.

I believe a move to push the government in Britain to effectively put into law the defacto decriminalisation that already exists on our city streets is what's needed now. I'd like to see the letter of the law changed immiediately to stop arrests & prosecutions for possessions of all & any illegal drug for personal use. No Policeman should ever attend a drugs emergency unless their services are specifically required. The Ambulance is more than capable of helping if the patient is not violent. I believe that fear of arrest is making young people less likely to call for help & this is effectively endangering lives & this needs to be addressed if the laws against drugs are truly for our own safety.

This HR angle, that the law against drugs is making their use even more dangerous, is an excellent wedge to dig at goverment with!
 
Decriminalisation I can see a lot of sense in.

Really?!? Do please explain. I'd be fascinated to hear why it would be an improvement to have drugs made equally as available as they would be if fully legalised but rather than being a regulated industry the supply is left completely to existing criminal networks.

Availability of heroin and crack are major concerns, seeing first hand how they can ruin people and how addictive they can become. With the current system, if you run into problems you can cut your contacts off, maybe even move town if it's severe. If drugs were available like this legally over the counter, conquering an addiction would be very hard to put off over a life time.

Cos heroin and crack are really hard to get hold of at the moment aren't they. Availability has gone up since prohibition, cost has gone down since prohibition. The current situation has clearly not done what you think it somehow will do in future if things stay the same. Do you not see this is a rather bizarre argument? If drugs of addiction were legal I'm sure there would be a blip in addiction rates - perhaps even quite a big one - but much as with alcohol people could be treated for their addictions and - more to the point - society would learn that if you abuse them you will be addicted, that addiction is nothing to be ashamed of, and that addiction can be successfully treated in every case. Not saying it is successfully treated in every case but anybody can beat an addiction given the appropriate treatment and support. This would be much, much easier to do without the criminalising of addicts. There'd also be a helluva lot more money available to fund treatment when vast amounts aren't being wasted putting fingers in dykes and instead tax is being paid - profits go to boost government coffers (which helps all of society out - at least it does in theory) rather than going straight into the pockets of criminals as is currently the case.

Some people will always be addicts cos it's not availability of something that makes people become addicted to it - the reasons are far more complex than that. When something is illegal it puts barriers in the way of seeking help. Some will try to hide their addiction - perhaps fear of losing a job, or alienating friends and family, simple shame because there is additional factors simply because it's an illegal substance. In my experience, people can deal with a relative who develops an alcohol problem - it's seen as a medical issue which can be treated and the person given suitable support to help them deal with their issues. Many people who are addicted to, say, heroin or crack will be disowned by their families when they admit to their problem. I've known plenty who've been chucked out onto the street for "bringing shame" on their family. That happens because it is illegal - it would happen a lot less if all addictions were treated similarly in terms of being a medical issue not a criminal matter.

I do take your point about it being harder to quit something when it is all around you. However, how many ex-alcoholics are there out there? How many ex-smokers? Ex-gamblers? People can beat addictions even when temptation is everywhere. There's no getting away from drugs anyway - they are everywhere in every city, town and even village in the country. Anybody who wants to find them will find them so legality makes a slight difference at best. A minor irritation rather than an absolute barrier which you appear to think may be the case for some reason. I moved town - moved to another country actually - to get away from where the majority of my addiction happened. I could hop on a train and have a bag in my hand within an hour even though I know not one dealer. I choose not to though. That's what beating an addiction means - you choose not to, you are not prevented from having the choice cos that just isn't practical and would not work. You can't beat an addiction by force, you have to choose.

LSD is another concern.

Because... ? As Matt points out, the real risk with LSD is being sold something else that isn't LSD. LSD itself is an incredibly safe drug - certainly physically safe even in the most extreme "OD" situation, I'd also argue it's safe for the vast majority of people as long as proper information and advice were widely available. You seem to have some very strange ideas about LSD - what is it about it that concerns you so much over and above other psychedelics?

Drug usage would grow tenfold due to availability, and all kinds of physical and mental health problems would occur

Actually it would decrease a hundred fold and everybody in the world would spontaneously be cured of all ills and there'd be world peace and free chocolate for everybody. See - I can make stuff up off the top of my head too :)

Drug combinations becoming more popular, which are considerably more dangerous

And that is relevant how...? And you know this to be the case from...? All drug combinations are considerably more dangerous or is it maybe just that dangerous drug combinations are dangerous? How does prohibition prevent them from being dangerous? How does prohibition prevent people from combining drugs whether dangerously or otherwise?

Again, all your arguments argue for legalisation. Everything you've brought up is a problem either caused by or greatly exacerbated by prohibition. You're batting for the wrong team, old bean ;)
 
Raas, drugs are widely available and becoming more so all the time, if they're available from a shady guy or a chemist whats the difference? Other than you can guarantee what exactly you're getting..! Whats to stop there being a licence needed as Rick says, with said licence you are limited to x amount per week/month of your DOC so as to avoid addiction... yes it would cost fortunes to establish but if you look at the money wasted on the futile war on drugs it isnt that far out.

You keep assuming the day it happened the country would descend on the "drug shop" with spoons and works all ready to get cracking with their career in deadly addiction? It wouldnt happen.. Alot of people are terrified of drugs, uninterested in them, whatever. You seem to be basing your views on what us lot on BL would do, we're all fairly serious about our drug use otherwise we wouldnt be here, we're a minority, a tiny one at that.

Drugs are dangerous, granted, can that danger be reduced with control and education. Without doubt. Drugs arent going anywhere, why not try a different approach for a little while?

Edit: what shambles said :)
 
From your own source:

Increased uptake of treatment.[8]
Reduction in new HIV diagnoses amongst drug users by 17%[14]
Reduction in drug related deaths, although this reduction has decreased in later years. The number of drug related deaths is now almost on the same level as before the Drug strategy was implemented.[8][14] However, this may be accounted for by improvement in measurement practices, which includes a doubling of toxicological autopsies now being performed, meaning that more drugs related deaths are likely to be recorded.[15]
Reported lifetime use of "all illicit drugs" increased from 7.8% to 12%, lifetime use of cannabis increased from 7.6% to 11.7%, cocaine use more than doubled, from 0.9% to 1.9%, ecstasy nearly doubled from 0.7% to 1.3%, and heroin increased from 0.7% to 1.1%[14] It has been proposed that this effect may have been related to the candor of interviewees, who may have been inclined to answer more truthfully due to a reduction in the stigma associated with drug use.[15] However, during the same period, the use of heroin and cannabis also increased in Spain and Italy, where drugs for personal use was decriminalised many years earlier than in Portugal [15][16] while the use of Cannabis and heroin decreased in the rest of Western Europe.[17][18]
Drug use among adolescents (13-15 yrs) and "problematic" users declined.[15]
Drug-related criminal justice workloads decreased [15]
Decreased street value of most illicit drugs, some significantly

So umm.. wha?

Availability of heroin and crack are major concerns, seeing first hand how they can ruin people and how addictive they can become. With the current system, if you run into problems you can cut your contacts off, maybe even move town if it's severe.

Yeah.. OR.. if my system was implemented.. you voluntarily give up your card.

OR.. there would be a lot more help, support and understanding from the community due to the loss of stigma and massive increase in addiction support / rehabs funding thanks to the savings / profits.
 
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