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The EADD Health, Sickness and Pain Thread - share what ails you here.

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Sorry to hear that.

But yeah when my OH gives me a back massage, all the knots she feels is mad!!! Its so lovely, unfortunately we don't live together as I'm up north... Still its amazing <3
 
fairnymph said:
Your pain sounds almost as different from my pain as can be, but I get a lot of spasms too. I've tried every muscle relaxant on the American market, as well as all the benzos. I don't have any neuropathic pain but drs in the US were determined to diagnose me with it so they wouldn't have to face the fact that my pain is entirely muscoskeletal in origin, and thus my medication options are much more limited. So I've tried gabapentin, baclofen, and a bunch of other neuropathic pain meds, none of which helped alas.

The only non-benzo muscle relaxants that help me at all are Soma and Flexeril (tizanidine), with the former being much more useful. But neither helps as much as diazepam. Other benzos don't help at all, though I haven't tried temazepam as it's not used in the US. Thus why I call diaz my wonder drug. I've been taking it pretty much daily for 5 years and I've been able to keep my tolerance down so that I'm taking the same amount I did 5 years ago, and it continues to be effective.

There is significant literature that shows that diazepam has strong muscle relaxant properties, perhaps even the strongest out of all drugs across all classes. Its longevity and minimal side effects make it a good option for constant/chronic muscle tension and spasticity. I've never suffered WD symptoms either; it's a lot safer than other benzos in that regard.

I've found if you tell a Dr you've had it prescribed before & found it very helpful, generally getting a script isn't difficult.

This new drug I'm on, flurpirtine, is really great so far, and apparently it's good for neuropathic pain as well as muscoskeletal. It's not abuseable so you shouldn't have a problem getting it. When I'm fully off the diazepam & have been on the flurpirtine longer I'll report back.
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YEah that's it, if your pain is not neuropathic in nature gabapentin will do nothing, since its not a painkiller in the traditional sense, rather it calms down nerves in some way. This is how I know I have neuropathic pain, since opiates to absolutely nothing - 100mg tram on its own is literally the same as a sugar pill for me. Yet gabapentin has been highly effective

Interesting to hear your experience, I have an appointment on Monday so will be pressing for some sort of muscle relaxing drug. Diazepam is very hard to get prescribed here since doctors are so scared of its addictiveness, however a standard muscle relaxer should be fine since they aren't narcotic afaik
 
Is it just diazepam or all benzos they're shy about prescribing? If you can't get diazepam, I'd ask for Soma next (not sure you have that in your country, they don't have it here), and tizanidine as a 3rd choice. The other muscle relaxants are super sedating, so I'd avoid those.

Btw, tramadol does nothing for me either, and I get awful side effects from it. I've tried all the weaker synthetic opioids they have in the US and tilidine here in Germany, hated them all. Very little benefit, intolerable costs for me. Fentanyl was very disappointing as well. The morphine based proper opiates are infinitely better for any pain IME. How does your pain respond to them? How would you compare, say, codeine, to gabapentin in terms of pain relief? Also, do you get any benefit from alcohol?
 
That is not strictly true.

Don't ask me, ask my Pain Dr, he said we don't know why meds can work for things they aren't 'suppose' to.

You have to remember it is not quite known how Paracetamol works!

My point as always is give things a chance! :)
 
My neck is fucking killing me. I think I'm getting rebound pain from all the oxys I took these past few days. I've literally just been biting into my pillow to stop myself from screaming. This is fucking torture.
Between this, my father on his deathbed and the deaths on BL I'm this close to throwing the past 2 weeks away and getting heroin just to make it stop. What's the fucking point of trying to live through this kind of pain.
 
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^ Sounds awful, Pagey :(

I get similar flare-ups when I've been taking enough meds to feel comfy then have to drastically reduce back to "official" levels (or worse). You will be extra-sensitive to pain in the period after taking higher doses of opis - is just a fact of life unfortunately. Only options are to say "fuck it" and self-medicate (very rarely ends well that route though :|) or just hang on in there and keep going back to your doc. Get referrals to more specialist treatment. Don't give up - they do start to take notice eventually. I think they just like to drag it out immensely to try to weed out drugseeking. Is more or less what my doc has said since he's finally started to take my pain issues seriously anyway.

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Are there not more effective benzos for relaxing the 'body' than Valium.
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I agree with Nymph - they are the bizniz for helping to relax muscular pain. I'm prescribed it for both that purporse and for anxiety. Not in huge quantities but seeing as I really don't abuse the stuff anymore that's fine by me. Diaz can and is scripted for pain (of certain types) but finding a doc open to the idea can definitely be tricky. Especially as it means longterm prescribing. I've been on it (legitimately scripted) for 20-odd years now so probably won't be kicked off anytime soon. Doc made a half-arsed attempt at getting me to stop it when the NHS had that massive clampdown on benzo prescribing a while back but got told in no uncertain terms that won't be happening in my case.

Totally depends on your doc and how good a relationship you have with him. I've always been totally honest about my drug use - when I'm abusing a script, when I'm not, what else I'm taking from non-prescribed sources, etc - and it has (mostly) seen me in good stead. Took a helluva long time to build that level of trust though I must admit.
 
Yup stick with it.

Especially with young people they wanna pick out the drug seekers' but more so they do not want to be giving medicine to young people unless they have too. Add on top them finding out you abused opiates and will have a even longer wait.
 
Sorry to hear about your current state, Pagey. :( I fully agree with what Shambles said (except the part about being open about recreational/illegal drug use - it is rare IME that you can be that open with a Dr, and I'd never attempt it with a pain Dr). Having your pain relieved for a bit and then not, it really makes the underlying pain seem worse than it ever was. For me, my base pain level is just so bad I can't even imagine living without opiates. I even want to get back on h because it's the best painkiller I've used. But I don't find opiates recreational so controlling my use is possible (though still difficult; my ROA is quite addictive). I'm NOT saying you should go back on h, but it sounds like you really do NEED proper pain treatment, and without it you'll be more likely to seek out opiates illegally.

I'm 32 now and I still have a bitch of a time getting drs to take me seriously and not dismiss me because of my relative youth. It was even worse 5 years ago when I began seeing pain drs. I also get a lot of discrimination for being naturally thin, almost as much as I do for being young. In the US the discrimination was so much worse; so far the Germans are much more reasonable. If you can get any Dr, doesn't have to be a pain specialist, to prescribe some decent opiates, other drs will be much more likely to follow suit. Or if you ever had opiates prescribed in the past, you can say you've been taking them recently and explain how much they've been helping you. I find this is how I can be as honest as possible with drs about my pain and what helps. Keep trying drs until you find a good one. If your pain is orthopaedic, try orthopaedists. If you get comments about your age, dismiss that Dr, he's prejudiced and is unlikely to treat you. I also recommend male drs as I find them much more sympathetic.
 
Cheers guys. I used to be prescribed morphine and oxys for it but that was straight after the injury so when I bring it up now they completely dismiss it because apparently there's no way it could still hurt as much. I guess I'll just take all your advice and continue to ask for adequate treatment. Although ffs, fairnymph if you're still not being taken seriously because of your age at 32, what's it gonna be like for me at 19 :(
I'm also just so upset that this is setting me back in my recovery from h because I feel like if it were getting proper attention it would just be so much easier to get clean. Ugh.

Anyway I just kinda overall freaked out last night...sorry about that. Thank you for the support <3
 
What do you think my chances are of getting Diazepam from my GP?

I have done a bit of research and it may well help with all the sakes and tremors in my face. Just I've read on here that GPs won't go near it for most things due the potential of addiction. Yet boxes and boxes of tramadol is just FINE hah
 
Inso said:
What do you think my chances are of getting Diazepam from my GP?

I have done a bit of research and it may well help with all the sakes and tremors in my face. Just I've read on here that GPs won't go near it for most things due the potential of addiction. Yet boxes and boxes of tramadol is just FINE hah
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You answer your own question Inso.

And yeah, the Tramadol situation is plain ludicrous.
 
My ankles are not broken, which is good to know. Still hobbling about though, soft tissue damage is the suspect and I've been told it could take up to 8 weeks to heal properly. Not taking pain killers, well maybe my usual kratom dose counts, it's not that bad, and I always feel if there's a good reason for pain it's nice to know when you're possibly causing yourself more damage.
 
knock said:
My ankles are not broken, which is good to know. Still hobbling about though, soft tissue damage is the suspect and I've been told it could take up to 8 weeks to heal properly. Not taking pain killers, well maybe my usual kratom dose counts, it's not that bad, and I always feel if there's a good reason for pain it's nice to know when you're possibly causing yourself more damage.
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Very true. That's probably the worst side effect of being on pain meds all the time, especially when I'm exercising and possibly failing to notice that I'm injuring myself.

Glad to hear your ankles aren't actually broken. Not that soft tissue damage is much fun. :\
 
fairnymph said:
Very true. That's probably the worst side effect of being on pain meds all the time, especially when I'm exercising and possibly failing to notice that I'm injuring myself.
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Yeah but the nurse seemed really keen to get me to take painkillers for some reason. Not to offer me anything decent, of course, just saying paracetamol would work. Whatever :\
 
I think they want to feel like they have SOMETHING to offer, even if they really can't do anything significant to help your situation. But paracetamol? Really? I'd think ibuprofen would be more useful.
 
Yes I would have thought ibuprofen, I would recommend getting some. People can dismiss Ibuprofen but it has its place, I'd get a pack, its 50 p for 16 from boots, helps with 'tissue' damage.

Got my weeks stock up of the OTC combo, ran out last night not fun. Needed my 50mg of codeine and para plus ibuprofen. Just to take the edge off, just about the job with the Gapabetin. Now I'm down to quarter a amitrip. It helped so much, but it made me have seizures...... So fuck that :|


Told my OH about my combo and she is OK with it, she knows about my past heroin abuse, so I don't have to hide it. Just about OK! <3
 
^ Lucky that you have such a cool Dr!

The amitriptyline I took a few nights ago DEFINITELY potentiated my hydromorphone significantly, seemed by about 50%. I'm frustrated it makes me feel so utterly crappy, bc I really need more pain relief. But seizures...eek. Scary. :(
 
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