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The EADD aMT Thread

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watsons torment said:
i did 10mg when i got it which was nice but very mild, and i've been doing 5mg every day since then and i've had a damn good week of inappropriate smiling and not giving a fuck, and it feels a bit like valium with the 5mg doses i've been doing. made work a doddle.

had a slightly weird feeling in my guts all week though, a couple of the 2c's can take me out of action as well i've spent a couple of my 2c-e trips with my pants round my ankles for a few hours firing liquid poop down the bog :|
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It's the fucking pits that isn't it :p

So what about this cheeky 10 Watson? Aside from nice, would you say way too low for a good night with mates?
 
i'm going for a hike on saturday, taking 40mg might even camp out if i can find a well hidden spot. bit of a predicament though take amt and drive to countryside, or get the countryside - take amt and then have the possibility of having to do a jungle poo, or many.
 
The RZA said:
It's the fucking pits that isn't it :p

So what about this cheeky 10 Watson? Aside from nice, would you say way too low for a good night with mates?
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i don't have much experience with this chem yet, but from my first 10mg experience i'd say yeah perfect. i had a couple of ales with it and a few joints and it was a very enjoyable experience, great for socializing it felt like i'd take a benzo and low dose mdma with a bit of speed chucked in <3

i reckon 15-20mg would be a really nice dose for socializing as well

I don't recommend people drink alcohol with amt, especially on your first time. but i'm just noting that i did, and i didn't die :)
 
love_sex_desire said:
Speaking of SSRI's has anyone used AMT while on an SSRI?

Were the effects stronger? Weaker?

Did you notice a dangerous toxicity with this combo?

What dose did you take?

If anyone has used AMT while on SSRI's as much information as possible would be very helpful.

My gf is on paxil and she wants to do AMT with me but we are both very apprehensive about doing it until anyone can confirm the safety, well presumed safety, based on someone elses experience with this combo.

Would a small dose of 5-10 mg be considered safe?
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No no no no. I just suggested the reason for an unpleasant 50 hour trip was down to combining the two, and here you asking whether it'll be ok in small quantities?

Do not take this with SSRIs, powerful or NOT it is an MAOI and to combine the two risks serotonin syndrome and potential brain damage.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=247265
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=36691

I seem to remember somebody (fastandbulbous?) recently suggested its MAO inhibition is not much more than that of aphetamine, but it doesn't matter, you do not combine the two.
 
GZero said:
No no no no. I just suggested the reason for an unpleasant 50 hour trip was down to combining the two, and here you asking whether it'll be ok in small quantities?

Do not take this with SSRIs, powerful or NOT it is an MAOI and to combine the two risks serotonin syndrome and potential brain damage.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=247265
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=36691

I seem to remember somebody (fastandbulbous?) recently suggested its MAO inhibition is not much more than that of aphetamine, but it doesn't matter, you do not combine the two.
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Thanks for the links.

I know you suggested that SSRI's were the reason for an unpleasant trip but all I've come across on the subject o SSRI's and AMT are sugestions and asumptions.

My girlfriend will definitely not be guinea pigging the combo, but I'm wondering if anyone with direct experience with combining SSRI's and AMT has anything to share.

If you have done AMT while on SSRI's I'd love to hear as much as possible, including doseage, duration, any toxic effects that might have arised from the combo or how dangerous the combo felt, and what the experience felt like, etc.

I appreciate you heeding the Harm Reduction purpose of this site and appreciate the links GZero!
 
Well its the morning after my mini-dose of 15mg and I feel it was a success. When I used to take it back in the 70s it was mostly for tripping when there was no LSD available. Back then it was eyeballed so I have no idea what doses were involved. On 15mg I would have had no problems socialising and felt very together, in fact although I had chosen to take it home alone I did have an urge to go out and meet people; I was very chatty on the phone instead. There was a strange mix of energy and relaxation. I'd spend what seemed to be a long time just watching the clouds then I'd be off doing something else and realise that each spell of activity/inactivity only lasted about 10 minutes. Time did feel quite distorted. At this dose there were no real visual distortions although the textures of every day objects became very interesting. One big plus for me with AMT was that I still had an appetite and at one point I was chomping into a bowl of cereal and raspberries like I had the munchies! The main side effect was jaw tightness which I alleviated with 500mg of magnesium, however this probably didn't help with the loose bowels that became evident after about four hours. Sleep was possible after seven or eight hours, but CEV were quite hectic (and unexpected) at first. Apart from tiredness this morning all is good. Next time I'll start earlier and up the dose to 30mg.
 
love_sex_desire said:
Thanks for the links.

I know you suggested that SSRI's were the reason for an unpleasant trip but all I've come across on the subject o SSRI's and AMT are sugestions and asumptions.

My girlfriend will definitely not be guinea pigging the combo, but I'm wondering if anyone with direct experience with combining SSRI's and AMT has anything to share.

If you have done AMT while on SSRI's I'd love to hear as much as possible, including doseage, duration, any toxic effects that might have arised from the combo or how dangerous the combo felt, and what the experience felt like, etc.

I appreciate you heeding the Harm Reduction purpose of this site and appreciate the links GZero!
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I don't THINK you'll find too many responses is that mate, MAOI+SSRI == Serotonin Syndrone.


The debase surrounding AMT's MAOI properties aside, IS IT an MAOI and as such should NOT be taken with an SSRI.
 
I tried taking mushrooms a few hours after dropping AMT. When you drop a genuine MAOI (like 300mg of Moclobemide) the mushroom trip is converted into a DMT trip. On AMT there was nothing like that effect. So it might in theory be an MAOI but if it is it's a very, very weak one. Particularly at a dose of 20-30mg.
 
Whats a good general party dose? If theres multiple people, different genders and builds what would be the best/most enjoyable (not underwhelming) general dose?
 
Ismene said:
Tried a little lower dose than 40mg and it was very comfortable. No nausea at all - I took about 20-30mg orally.
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i havnt gone past 30 with this stuff yet, it seems suprisingly strong, though i do find the hcl is definately smoother as you would say, the freebase seems a bit rougher, still tho, the inability to sleep and the amt yawns are still present!=D
 
You definately need to take it early morning if you're expecting any sleep that night. I usually try and take it by 10 or 11 at the latest.
 
^^ I take it that applies to 30mg+ doses Issy?

Surely dosing in the 15 to 20mg range wouldn't require a start that early for the average person would it?
 
Not sure, I havn't tried taking it any later than the morning. I think taking 15-30mg in the late afternoon or evening would still have you up half the night.
 
When I had 10mg I could still feel it about 13/14 hours later iirc, I took at 3pm so ended up having a benzo to get to sleep.

Start early just in case.
 
I took 10mg at the tail end of my 6-APB sesh the other night and had a nightmare of a time (as it were) trying to sleep afterwards even with benzos - was just in a half-awake/half-asleep state for a good few hours then slept 24 hours solid. 6-APB seems to have a lotta residual stimulation too, mind... but even low doses of aMT have kept me awake far longer than expected in the past. It's so long-acting that I find anti-depressant/mood-lifting doses are best taken quite early on anyway to get the benefit all day. Can always redose a bit later on if you want to ramp it up a notch for the evening as redosing seems to work pretty well with aMT.
 
Shit, you guys talking about 10mg and 35mg -

We went for ~40-45mg... dropped about an hour ago. Wish us luck.

Got some cannabis aswell, smoked a j, is it best to leave the smoke until after the come-up?
 
Smoke may help with the dodgy guts but may not help with the slightly sedated feeling many seem to get from aMT. 40-45mg is not ridiculously high in the grand scheme so you'll be fine, but it is maybe a tad heavy-handed for a first time. Fortunately aMT is about as gentle and forgiving as psyches get so just go with it and don't expect to sleep tonight ;)
 
jblz said:
Got some cannabis aswell, smoked a j, is it best to leave the smoke until after the come-up?
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Nah smoking during the come up is alright, will add a little to the anxiety but i can't see it turning into anything too uncomfortable. It's all plain sailing after 3 hours anyway.

I like to smoke during the whole experience, synergises perfectly imo :)
 
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