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The EADD aMT Thread ver: 2

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The stimulant aspect of it is very much like good speed in my opinion, at least at the start. Many people find it almost sedating later on though.

There is a marked psychedelic aspect to it, however. If you're not prepared for that then it's not the right substance. If you are, then happy days.
 
Aye, a 60-70mg dose with a small booster is absolutely enough for me. I suppose there's just a general culture of 'caning' in this country, which can be fun at times but isn't really compatible with psychedelics in my opinion.
 
I've tried both the freebase and the hcl and think the freebase is more trippy but less stimmy and rushy, think I prefer the salt.
 
i feel the HCL is slightly smoother but nothing i dont really recognise though i havn't had the freebase in a while. i only have about 200mg left and i am astonished that people can take up too 250mg in a 36 hour period, i am fine with 30mg and i never want too boost from it :\ (what are peoples thoughts on redosing) i never redose with it tbh.. maybe i am becoming a pussy i dont know =D
 
Thinking of ordering some amt

I've done the phenny where you black out and have been Intrested in psych's for a while, Wiki states a dose between 20mg-30mg causes euphoria and psychedelic experiences. I'm a newbie to psych's so would that dose cause any discomfort? It states that 30mg can last 12 hours, that sounds too long, like an acid trip, whats peoples views and experiences with this substance?
 
From what I have read (having never done the drug) I am relatively sure that 20-30mg doses are unlikely to cause a serious psychedelic experience. At that dose, many people have reported some visual distortion but nothing that I would call "something to worry about".

Indeed, this is a long lasting drug and you should plan way in advance to make sure you don't end up doing 90mph trying to get to work whilst leprechauns dance in your rear-view.
 
jungo87 said:
I've done the phenny where you black out and have been Intrested in psych's for a while, Wiki states a dose between 20mg-30mg causes euphoria and psychedelic experiences. I'm a newbie to psych's so would that dose cause any discomfort? It states that 30mg can last 12 hours, that sounds too long, like an acid trip, whats peoples views and experiences with this substance?
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I wouldn't be concerned about a "12 hour trip", at a low to medium dose I would expect two or three hours of scattered thoughts and minor visuals, in a 12 hour fluffy cloud of gently ebbing and flowing stimulation and euphoria. But different people have different responses.
 
looking at buying some of this in the next couple of weeks, does quality vary from supplier/batch similar to 6-APB or is it pretty consistent? I know it smells quite similar to turd so if im going to end up with a 50/50 mix of ground up crap and aMT i think i will give this one a miss.
 
To clarify - my 250mg experiences (done twice now) were 50mg doses repeated every 6 hours or so. Basically, for me the acute effects of aMT taper off after about 6 - 8 hours. Yes, you still get some residual stuff going on but it is drastically reduced.

So, I like to continue having fun in a safe environment (say over a long weekend) and why shouldn't I? I'm hardly some kind of crack-head caning moron here...just because I enjoy pushing my experience a bit further and longer than others doesn't make me any less responsible than you. In fact, I can almost guarantee that I take my drug usage much more responsibly than most. For example, aMT is the ONLY substance that I use at the moment.

I can see an argument for people seeing me say I took 250mg over a weekend and then going apeshit on the freebase. To clarify - this was HCl salt and probably a slightly degraded one at that. It was also taken in 50mg doses, never more. There's the harm reduction out of the way.

Now, onto the thing about redosing. I find it quite effective actually. The first three doses will stack up on one another quite nicely, after that you are just prolonging the euphoria (not even really the stimulation, just the euphoria). This is fine by me. Some people don't enjoy 36 - 48 hours of trippy headspace (and I hardly call this a pure psychedelic, it is MUCH more forgiving than even mushrooms or mescaline), but I do. Each to their own. I sort out my life so that it doesn't impact any responsibilities, lock the doors, unplug the phone and away we go! I enjoy it this way and so do some others who have done it with me.

We're not just rolling around laughing at the ceilings, at these doses we have had some of the most intense conservations that really got to the core of some very deep-seated issues. In one instance, for one girl I was with, there was a psychological breakthrough of an intensely therapeutic kind and she has been happier and filled with life ever since. I've had the same experiences with personal issues from my past, although not quite as powerful.

So to say that the way I have experienced aMT is somehow worse than anybody elses is bollocks. For me, the intensity and length of the experience turn it much more into a spiritual/therapeutic trip than I imagine any of you have ever had on this stuff. You're missing out, if you like and are prepared for that sort of thing. It requires everyone to be experienced and on the same page, a small group of three or four can then bond on such a deep level that I have never seen on anything else; and it is not as superficial as the bonding on MDMA or Alcohol. It is a bonding that hits the very core of your being.

But beware, for there be dragons...

This isn't some drug for kids to take in their bedrooms whilst the parents are downstairs, or for students to take the day before class, or for adults to take the day before work or some other commitment. But treat aMT with respect and higher doses can lead you down some very meaningful experiences.
 
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I'd rather just have a high dose to start with - the visuals and euphoria will be more intense and will last much longer.

I could take 100mg (with possibly a 50mg topup some hours in) of decent freebase to start with and have massive euphoria for that period of time, instead of having a lesser experience that requires me to keep topping up. Just seems like a massive waste, a bit like bumping ket all night then finding yourself unable to k-hole at the end of it, no matter how high you dose.
 
I'd probably go for 150mg of top-notch freebase myself and maybe top up with 100mg three or four times rather than suffer the lesser experience.

(This is a dick-sizing joke).
 
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ashtray girl said:
That just sounds silly. 100mg over that length of time would be more than enough. That type of dose is a massive waste, unless you have seriously degraded product.
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Rubbish.

Who are you to say what is 'enough'? AMT effects people very differently as I often witness when I share mine and for me personally 250mg over 36 hours isn't that bad at all.

I consume it it just as I consume MDMA/6-APB with regards to duration and effect.

Nothing wrong with that if it works for me.
 
ashtray girl said:
I'd rather just have a high dose to start with - the visuals and euphoria will be more intense and will last much longer.

I could take 100mg (with possibly a 50mg topup some hours in) of decent freebase to start with and have massive euphoria for that period of time, instead of having a lesser experience that requires me to keep topping up.
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Presuming you're not just taking the piss like knockando (and Knock, I couldn't care less about posturing. As I said, aMT is not the only substance I consume which is hardly posturing compared to all the others around this joint who are combining 50 things at once and then have twenty benzos on hand for the comedown!)

What is the toxicity boundaries for freebase aMT? I would definitely be interested in trying higher initial doses to get rid of the need for redosing (highest HCl dose I've taken initially is 70mg and that was quite intense), but am also aware that you need to treat these things with respect which is why I tend to go for lower doses and then bump up as appropriate. The first redose is actually usually done about 3 hours in once the effects are felt, and the effects curve that this gives is very nice for me and the group I do this with.

So, what levels of initial dose (for both freebase and/or HCl) are we looking at possible acute toxicity?
 
I (and a friend of mine) don't suffer much in the way of body load at upto 100mg (nausea on the come up, mild headache on the comedown) but a friend starts to suffer quite badly with muscle ache and headaches after a 70mg initial dose (with or without potential topups).

I typically don't dose more than 50-60mg to start with, with maybe a small topup a few hours in (it is at this level I enjoy it the most), but if I am looking for the type of experience InternetMuse suggests then I definitely prefer doing it at a higher dose to start with - I find that the best way to get a long, euphoric trip. No dicksizing involved.

As to "consuming it like MDMA" then that is my point exactly - MDMA is fine topped up a couple of times, after that it is just pointless, you are getting more and more of the side effects with little of the fun. Better to do a higher inital dose with fewer topups.

But again, with decent quality aMT I can't see any need to go to 250mg over that period of time. I have no experience with the HCl, so can't comment on that.
 
ashtray girl said:
I (and a friend of mine) don't suffer much in the way of body load at upto 100mg (nausea on the come up, mild headache on the comedown) but a friend starts to suffer quite badly with muscle ache and headaches after a 70mg initial dose (with or without potential topups).

I typically don't dose more than 50-60mg to start with, with maybe a small topup a few hours in (it is at this level I enjoy it the most), but if I am looking for the type of experience InternetMuse suggests then I definitely prefer doing it at a higher dose to start with - I find that the best way to get a long, euphoric trip. No dicksizing involved.

As to "consuming it like MDMA" then that is my point exactly - MDMA is fine topped up a couple of times, after that it is just pointless, you are getting more and more of the side effects with little of the fun. Better to do a higher inital dose with fewer topups.

But again, with decent quality aMT I can't see any need to go to 250mg over that period of time. I have no experience with the HCl, so can't comment on that.
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Well I get great euphoria from 40-50mg so how is taking that twice over the period of say 10 hours any different from you taking it all at once?! :\

As for consuming it like MDMA, you are right about MDMA losing it's fun after a while but what I love about aMT is that this doesn't happen. I've redosed up to about 10 times over the course of 48 hours and it's effects stay strong and there are no side effects for me. This is why I can redose often and frequently and it's great.

Just because what you do is all you need doesn't mean that it's right for everyone else.

I know it's not a quality issue as friends of mine get way more effected by it than me at the same doses. I guess I just have a higher resistance to it than most people but it's always been that way. However, I'm perfectly happy with how it effects me at the doses I take and can easily function and appear pretty normal in public which suits me perfectly. The same can't be said for the drug mess it gets some people in.
 
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Presuming you're not just taking the piss like knockando (and Knock, I couldn't care less about posturing. As I said, aMT is not the only substance I consume which is hardly posturing compared to all the others around this joint who are combining 50 things at once and then have twenty benzos on hand for the comedown!)
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I was taking the piss out of Ashtray. If you've found a dosing regime that works for you and it's not putting your health at serious risk then I don't see what business it is of anyone else. I can't really comment on whether the dose you are taking is unhealthy or not, but Ashtray just seems pissed off that someone takes more than her.
 
knockando said:
but Ashtray just seems pissed off that someone takes more than her.
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Hardly, I said that I tend to dose at 50-60mg most of the time, which would put the vast majority of people on here taking more than me. If that was the case I would be pissed off at most of the forum.

Also, when did I say I was a she?
 
ashtray girl said:
Hardly, I said that I tend to dose at 50-60mg most of the time, which would put the vast majority of people on here taking more than me. If that was the case I would be pissed off at most of the forum.
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Fair enough, all I have to go on is the impression I get from your posts.

Also, when did I say I was a she?
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You didn't, but you encourage that perception! Do you mind being described as she?
 
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