The Drug's in the Mail - The Silk Road and our very own Tronica!

[Dr Phibes]

Can you post that info up for us please?

Thanks dude.

I can't be bothered going back looking up the various different legislation that controls mail delivery.

Obviously if it comes from overseas there is even more legislation but makes it riskier due to customs and AQIS. But domestic mail is private property.

LE or fucking postal employees being able to just open up and have a look at what you are sending Grandma is as illegal as any other random search of your property. They need reasonable suspicion at the very least if they want to use it as evidence in court. Its not Random Breath Testing, you need some background investigation.

 

[Verybuffed]

LE or fucking postal employees being able to just open up and have a look at what you are sending Grandma is as illegal as any other random search of your property. They need reasonable suspicion at the very least if they want to use it as evidence in court. Its not Random Breath Testing, you need some background investigation.

They still do it all the time though. Whether it is illegal or not doesn't seem to stop them.

 

[headdah]

A mate of mine recently tried the SR for an OS order. I asked if hes used it since and he was like, 'naa fuck waiting for mail... Nothing beats instant! When i want my drugs i want em now!
Lol, fair enough.. I mean, you are always high after all8(
Anyways his package did eventually arrive. But he was a bit confused to find the small envelope had a green sticker on the outside of it saying "Opened bu Auspost for inspection by customs" when inside was a single page letter from customs basically stating no items were removed, and almost 1.5 grams of cocaine within a clearly opened plastic bag. He'd only ordered 1g too.

My first thought was it must be complete garbage, or not even any charlie at all! But he saved me a few points, after which i thankfully agreed - not bad at all
Images was taken right after opening the letter - someone has clearly found the powder within after tearing it right down the middle.
How it STILL found its way up my nose baffled the hell outta me!
Would be interested in any thoughts on that one? Regardless, we found Silk Road Overseas purchasing would always be, at best, unpredictable. So the first time was the last time.

Dude, if I was you, I would tell your "mate" to, 1 burn the letter and everything that came with the mail, I mean snort/use up the Charlie etc, but burn the papers, 2 clean up his room/house/car so even if the DEA's top top top top Special forces field team was there at his room/house/car they would think hmm this room is pretty tidy 3 make sure his phone and computer is also just as tidy if you get my drift

I know everyone else before me has just said pretty much what Ijust said, but I just want to help you out as much as possible, cuz getting in trouble with the boys in blues SUX balls and I would not want to see anyone to get in trouble if i can help it.

Also, if I was you, I would also follow my directions and tidy up your house too Just in cae, its always better to be safe and causious yo

/end dribble

 

[poledriver]

Man they are generous on SR hey, order 1 and get 1.5 g's and customs being nice guys/girls and letting him have it. Stoked..

 

[mister]

I personally dont think your in any danger to be honest, although its very strange theve opened the package and let it go through.
They could have let it go through knowing when you saw the letter you would shit yourself, and because your using SR then theres a high chance you are a member of a forum such as BL, you would post about it and spread a little fear. It doesnt sound like a controlled delivery to me.

But to be on the safe side Id..........

1. Clean your mates house, wiping any contaminated surfaces down.

2. Remove any drugs/drug paraphernalia.

3. Dont have any friends come over who have any drug convictions for a while at least

4. Dont use any drugs in the house for a while

5. Clean his computer, download a program called DBAN which will wipe his computer. Hopefully he used encrypted emails.

6. Obviously burn the package.

7. Dont order any illegal drugs to that address again.

8. Remove the pics from your posts as LE do read these forums

1.5grams of charlie is hardly worth their time to come kicking down your door but its better to be safe than sorry

 

[Dr Phibes]

How many times, among all the people you know. in all you life have you even heard of someone receiving domestic mail, as the great story of international Charlie delivery, where your mail has been opened? has an AFP sticker saying "sorry we opened your mail as part of our random letter checking"? What shit would that cause? it is not only difficult but would cause a shit-storm. Oh yer the AFP have steaming-open envelopes illegal techniques that Customs and AQIS dont have.

They still do it all the time though. Whether it is illegal or not doesn't seem to stop them.

That would nearly always stand up in court.

 

[Dr Phibes]

I personally dont think your in any danger to be honest, although its very strange theve opened the package and let it go through.
They could have let it go through knowing when you saw the letter you would shit yourself, and because your using SR then theres a high chance you are a member of a forum such as BL, you would post about it and spread a little fear. It doesnt sound like a controlled delivery to me.

I agree with you Mister, OMG.

The laugh they got letting it through was probably easier than the paperwork involved in reporting it. And to the over paranoids, If you are under surveillance, you don't usually get a letter telling you so.

 

[spacejunk]

paranoia seems fairly reasonable to those of us that aren't so well informed about the specific legalities of importing illegal drugs.
especially with the hype surrounding silk road and other internet drug sales.

'surveillance' might not be the right word, but i would expect some kind of attention to be directed on this name/address and that future imports (legal or otherwise) may be scrutinised. i don't have any insight into the agencies involved or their operating practices, but i would expect to be on some kind of 'list' or however these things are monitored.
surely these packages are opened for a reason - perhaps to gain information on the sender rather than the buyer (in cases of personal supply)? it seems like a lot of effort to go to the trouble of opening the package, testing the substance and re-packaging the illegal substance and sending it on its way.
i find the "too lazy to do the paperwork" argument a bit hard to fathom.

 

[Dr Phibes]

Morning Spacejunk. hope you are feeling well.

The paperwork comes with the illegally opening, not getting caught, and analysing the contents. It is not separate. If you illegally open mail. analyse it. then find it is a gram (or 1.5) of C. Now what? Paperwork, justification, making a case, watching the letterbox? Nabbing someone obviously off their face saying"I dunno where this enbalope come from". Now explain what you were doing going through this person's mail.

Let me tell you I have learnt to actually enjoy going to court.

 

[footscrazy]

^ I'm not that up on this topic, but if opening it up was something they couldn't justify it in the first place, why do it? I guess they could've been hoping to find something bigger but upon seeing it was a g bag or near enough why at that stage bother testing it, if that was all going to be redundant information anyway?

LE or fucking postal employees being able to just open up and have a look at what you are sending Grandma is as illegal as any other random search of your property. They need reasonable suspicion at the very least if they want to use it as evidence in court.

It seems like it'd be pretty easy to say there was reasonable suspicion. You sound like you have some experience in this topic, so I am interested to hear your opinion if that's not the case.

I did look up the specific legislation on the legality of opening mail to look for drugs, if anyone is interested, here.

90T Articles reasonably believed to consist of, or contain, certain drugs or other chemical compounds

(1) This section applies to any article weighing 25 grams or more:

(a) that is in the course of post between Australia and a place outside Australia; and

(b) that is reasonably believed by a Customs officer to consist of, or contain, drugs or other chemical compounds that are being carried in contravention of a law of the Commonwealth relating to their importation into, or exportation from, Australia.

(2) The Customs officer may remove the article to which this section applies from the normal course of carriage and give it to a second Customs officer, following the procedures (if any) that are prescribed for the purposes of this section.

(3) That second Customs officer may open the article if:

(a) the second Customs officer performs duties at a higher classification than the first Customs officer; and

(b) the second Customs officer reasonably believes that the article consists of, or contains, drugs or other chemical compounds that are being carried in contravention of a law of the Commonwealth relating to their importation into, or exportation from, Australia; and

(c) the opening takes place in the presence of a third Customs officer.

(4) Having opened the article, that second Customs officer may, in the presence of that third Customs officer, examine the article to check whether it consists of, or contains, such drugs or other chemical compounds.

 

[Dr Phibes]

^i was talking about domestic mail mostly. You have posted legislation regarding international mail and it shows a small portion of the complex legality governing inspecting it. If they inspected mail under S90T of the long winded title that you already know. In court they will need a paper trail that justifies all of that one section of the act.

Your (good) lawyer will force him on the stand to basically say what is written because he remembers all these Sec 90T procedures being conducted properly. Right?

I agree that "reasonable suspicion" is easy, (like driving a Kombi Van is reasonable suspicion that there are drugs in the car), but the paperwork involved in just that one section you quoted, with the legal possibility that you can be forced to court and questioned at length on what you signed 5 months ago makes the decision (re-read the section) whether to just let it go might be easier.

One customs officer says to another "lets open this under section 90T of the Australian Postal Corporation Act 1989"

"huh"

Now look at the legislation protecting domestic mail.

 

[spacejunk]

^ but the case in question is an import, not domestic mail. I don't know why you keep bringing it back to the domestic mail point?

 

[Jakeperson]

Yeah I doubt as many people use SR for domestic purposes except for kids who cant get access to drug dealers.

 

[opi8]

The only thing I can think of is it may have been a research chem that they couldn't identify with their current testing equipment.

I honesty don't believe they opened up a package containing coke, then let it through.

If they wanted to perform a controlled delivery they would not have put a sticker on it and alerted you to the fact they'd opened it. They would have replaced the coke with flour or something, delivered it, then busted the addressee.

 

[spacejunk]

^ that's a really good point op8

 

[poledriver]

Customs and Border Protection officials note stagging jump in detections

THE strong Aussie dollar is being blamed for rising online sales of illicit drugs, as the number of detections through post and cargo grows sharply.

Sites such as Silk Road, an anonymous illicit drugs portal, have in recent years pushed the war on drugs into cyberspace.

In 2010-11 there were 14,696 postal and cargo drug detections, a staggering jump from just 5755 in 2008-09.

Customs and Border Protection officials say that while online sales flourish, detections will continue to rise.

"Yes, it is increasing, and we have seen more detections through online portals such as Silk Road," Customs director targeting development Alana Sullivan said.

She said this growth could lead to more online sites like Silk Road taking advantage of a booming market for illicit substances such as methamphetamine, cannabis and MDMA.

"I don't think they are going to go away anytime soon. It's easier to trawl the internet than to go and find a local drug dealer."

But with more illicit materials arriving through Australia's postal system, there is also a higher chance of getting caught.

She warned traders that while they think they are shopping anonymously online, they had a range of traditional and specialist capabilities for targeting drug imports.

"The likelihood of getting caught is very good," she said. "We do have a range of traditional and specialist capabilities for targeting in both the mail and cargo environments.

"People think doing the transaction online provides a layer of removal and makes people feel much more reassured.

"If anything it shouldn't because like any drug transaction you actually don't know what you're buying and what the health ramifications are around that."

A spokesman from SA Police said they were concerned by the trend of offenders importing small quantities of illicit substances online and were working with their federal counterparts to take action.

The maximum penalty for importing a border controlled drug is life imprisonment or $825,000 fine.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...mp-in-detections/story-fndo1z0b-1226476081123

 

[lovepsychadelics]

If your under big brothers eye your phone will be tapped and it's fairly easy just pick up the phone and see if there is any unusual noise ie: crackles or it seems like you have a crossed line but no one talking, echo's etc dial a number and you may hear a faint click noise before the connection is made. Any unusual noises when using your phone that can't be explained as static, bad reception etc may be phone tapping. Simple don't say shit on your phone, get a friend with no issues cashed up to buy you a mobile. Low profile also ie no crack house dealership as your place of residence!

 

[mister]

If your under big brothers eye your phone will be tapped and it's fairly easy just pick up the phone and see if there is any unusual noise ie: crackles or it seems like you have a crossed line but no one talking, echo's etc dial a number and you may hear a faint click noise before the connection is made. Any unusual noises when using your phone that can't be explained as static, bad reception etc may be phone tapping. Simple don't say shit on your phone, get a friend with no issues cashed up to buy you a mobile. Low profile also ie no crack house dealership as your place of residence!

This may have been true in the 80's but not any more, technology has advanced enough that you will not know your phone is tapped until its too late.


So just stick to this.....

Simple don't say shit on your phone

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

Technology may have advanced, however there are still ways to check.

I had a phone (non smartphone) that would periodically send itself text messages containing javascript. After importing these to my computer I had the phone # that my messages and calls were diverted through.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

I'm not talking someone with a tape recorder or something from underbelly. It's digital ie you won't hear the old school click but your connection may be slower than what it was and a bit less clear, no more than a second or two but you can notice it. Also some drag or interference on what has been a crystal clear connection until now. There are some giveaways such as I have mentioned as I've had my phone monitored on more than 1 occasion, although most were in the late 90's. Re-distributed has made a good point re: mobile phones. I can't agree more though with don't say shit on your phone. Also helps if you don't deal shit, 10-20 random 5-15 minute visits from "friends" who look like obvious drug users will definately have your place on the big brother watch list. BTW the old school phone tap was still used into the early-mid 90's before digital took over.