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The Dive's Covid Thread

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Bagseed said:
if anything it says to me that the immune system of a vaccinated person kicks in faster because it already familiar with the virus. but whatever I'm no expert but neither is anyone on here it seems.
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Spoken like a true disciple. Mask be upon you, brother!

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I have to admit that this whole mess has made me somewhat skeptical of these scientists who are appointed to political roles. I'm not saying I don't value science and facts, but the politics side of things always seems to take precedence over everything.

We we're told a lot of things that ended up not being true. They admit that. I get people get shit wrong, but it seems like in retrospect that maybe they were telling us things to make us feel better. Make us think they had a strategy when really we were just fucked.

The vaccines were advertised as a way to keep from getting sick. That was either a lie or a disastrous miscalculation. Then they said if you have all the shots you'll get less sick than everyone else. Well from my own experience that hasn't been true. I got much sicker than my 60 year old overweight neighbor who smokes like a chimney. He barely even knew he had it , and never got a jab. Meanwhile I've been sick for going on a week, coughing up blood, buckets of phlegm, fatigue, coughing fits, dizziness, etc.

also, those single file lines in grocery store aisles... germs linger in the air, so it doesn't matter if we are six feet apart if I'm just going to walk through the germ cloud the person in front of me leaves behind.

meh.
 
mal3volent said:
I have to admit that this whole mess has made me somewhat skeptical of these scientists who are appointed to political roles. I'm not saying I don't value science and facts, but the politics side of things always seems to take precedence over everything.

We we're told a lot of things that ended up not being true. They admit that. I get people get shit wrong, but it seems like in retrospect that maybe they were telling us things to make us feel better. Make us think they had a strategy when really we were just fucked.

The vaccines were advertised as a way to keep from getting sick. That was either a lie or a disastrous miscalculation. Then they said if you have all the shots you'll get less sick than everyone else. Well from my own experience that hasn't been true. I got much sicker than my 60 year old overweight neighbor who smokes like a chimney. He barely even knew he had it , and never got a jab. Meanwhile I've been sick for going on a week, coughing up blood, buckets of phlegm, fatigue, coughing fits, dizziness, etc.

also, those single file lines in grocery store aisles... germs linger in the air, so it doesn't matter if we are six feet apart if I'm just going to walk through the germ cloud the person in front of me leaves behind.

meh.
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i knew you'd come around someday :group hug:
 
Bagseed said:
yeah maybe try harder or go to some electric universe lumatic forum
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mal3volent said:
I have to admit that this whole mess has made me somewhat sceptical of these scientists who are appointed to political roles. I'm not saying I don't value science and facts, but the politics side of things always seems to take precedence over everything.

We we're told a lot of things that ended up not being true. They admit that. I get people get shit wrong, but it seems like in retrospect that maybe they were telling us things to make us feel better. Make us think they had a strategy when really we were just fucked.
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The whole thing was an exercise in political science. Fauci literally became the science. One man. In the UK they spent a million or something on this blue propaganda room for Bojo and his doom twins to get up and bombard the public with powerpoint slides every week, which served no other purpose except to try and terrify people. The news was no better.. constant updates on the figures for cases but never actually doing their journalistic duty and asking what constitutes a fucking case.

I'd go a step further and say it was a deliberate psychological warfare operation, regardless of whether the entire pandemic was real or not. The news, the censorship, the involvement of the military. There's a good book by Laura Dodswoth in the UK about all the fear tactics they used. They had teams of behavioural scientists sitting round tables deciding how best to terrify people e.g. SPI-B.

We had pandemic preparedness planning, but they threw that out the window and instead drafted several hundred pages, literally overnight, for the Coronavirus Act 2020 and decided to enforce on a whim what the Chinese were doing - amazing how they can pull something like that together when they need to eh?

They sad thing is they'll do exactly the same for the 'climate emergency' and people will still fall for it again.
 
mal3volent said:
I got much sicker than my 60 year old overweight neighbor who smokes like a chimney
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Something about nicotine being an ACE2 inhibitor, and also competing with Covid for ACE2 receptors could make smokers less suseptable to Covid

Anyway, you should tell your fat neighbor that Electrum called him a nerd
 
get well @mal3volent , coughing up blood sounds severe but it's usually just from the throat, which is really tender.

alasdairm said:
indeed.

and, as you note - and unlike faith - science can admit it's wrong :)

alasdair
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i'm not sure what prompted the comparison to faith but i don't think anyone here at least is arguing faith vs science. the problem is science keeps getting abused for political reasons and bad theories subsequently are allowed to crowd out good theories.

what we have observed going on here these past two years is Lysenkoism - anyone who wasn't on board with the vaccine dogma was either censored (social media, etc.) or sanctioned by the public health authorities.

Maybe someone somewhere else has a better solution to COVID we'll never hear about. How much of our civility and humanity have we already lost to allowing the ongoing coercion of vaccines? Even the vaccinated are sick of this circus

nationalpost.com

Student backlash builds over Western University mask, vaccine mandate

An Instagram account using the hashtag #ENOUGHISENOUGH is protesting the requirements, which were announced on Monday
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alasdairm said:
yeah, i tend to agree. but that's more a problem with politics than science itself.
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But science does not live in isolation from political forces. This is what science has become, what science is in the 20th century. It is not the idealized image of the maverick discoverer of the Victorian era, it just doesn't function like that at all any more. Science became institutionalized, and scientists rely on their institutions, and funding, in order to function. That financial pressure on individual careers and whole institutions is political because whoever controls the money controls them. The journal system functions in the same way, thanks to Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine's father).

In 'peace time' this means science looks like it just stumbles forward generally without bias, but when an 'emergency' comes about then certain levers get pulled and the monolith of science truly reveals itself. If that's not the case then how do explain 'the science is settled', the censorship of many fine minds (Barrington Declaration), the suspect propaganda articles in journals, and so on. If science were not a monolith then there would have been institutions coming forward and publicly disagreeing with the narrative, as you would expect if science were balanced.

We see the same happening with the climate change issue. "97% of scientists agree", "science is settled"..

Science was corrupted a long time ago. It was too powerful to not have been a target for corrupting forces.
 
the LA Times is one of those sites that blocks you from reading with a subscrption pop-up, but in firefox, if you click the toggle reader view (ctrl+alt+R) you can read the whole thing - same with theepochtimes
 
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