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someguyontheinternet said:
India has poor diets? 😂
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India has poverty, and with poverty comes inadequate and insufficient nutrition. It's difficult to find accurate numbers, probably because India is keen to redefine its global image and is massaging the statistics to obscure the truth.. much like politicians in the west adjust statistical boundaries and definitions to make things appear better than it truly is e.g. unemployment rates.

The Great Indian Poverty Debate, 2.0
Has the Modi government accelerated or decelerated poverty reduction? It’s hard to know, as India has effectively stopped measuring poverty. A new World Bank paper using private-sector survey data finds the share of people living below $1.90 per day has been falling, but is higher than we thought, at about 10 percent. A rival paper from India's representative at the IMF says India has joined China in (almost) fully eradicating extreme poverty. Both estimates seem optimistic given other economic indicators.
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10% of 1.4 billion people is 140 million people. That's 140 million people just surviving, living on rice, wheat, a few vegetables, etc, which does not provide the body what it needs to be sufficient in processing all the crap in the environment that toxifies the body.

It does not surprise me in the slightest that out of 140 million poverty stricken people some get ill and die. Putting the blame on bats is the same as blaming the ridiculous pneumonia causing air pollution of Wuhan or Lombardy, or the inhumane slum and working conditions of the the 17th/18th century inner cities of the west. The environment is making these people sick, not some fucking virus.

Could you stay healthy living on $1.90 a day, in 30 degree heat? Or in a giant smog bubble living under a totalitarian regime? Or in a windowless, damp basement dwelling, surrounded by shit filled streets and surviving on half rotten food and working 12 hour shifts?

It's like these giant farm warehouses. They say it's 'bird flu' or 'swine flu'. Like bitch, you think you wouldn't get ill being stuck indoors 24/7, living in a dusty shit filled cramped pen with thousands of other stressed out animals? It is literally the perfect conditions to make people/animals sick. The 'virus' is just an excuse. It's so obvious. Blame the virus, and not the capitalistic greedy fucks who are making life hell.
 
An average Indian household consumes more calories from processed foods than fruits. Conclusions: Indian diets, across states and income groups, are unhealthy. Indians also consume excess amounts of cereals and not enough proteins, fruits, and vegetables. May 29, 2020

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A comparison of the Indian diet with the EAT-Lancet reference diet - PubMed

Indian diets, across states and income groups, are unhealthy. Indians also consume excess amounts of cereals and not enough proteins, fruits, and vegetables. Importantly, unlike many countries, excess consumption of animal protein is not a problem in India. Indian policymakers need to accelerate...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


India does in fact, eat poorly

(true story)
 
Insufficient calories is the least of the problems. Vegetable proteins don't contain all 9 essential amino-acids and so unless they carefully mix WHICH grains and pulses they consume, many suffer serious health consequences:

www.feedingindia.org

Understanding the malnutrition crisis in India

Serving daily meals for a hunger-free India
www.feedingindia.org www.feedingindia.org

Even the very basics like salt have a black market. While some salt naturally contains tiny but vital amounts of iodine, salt produced in India does not. Legally producers are supposed to add 5ug/g of sodium iodide but bricks of uniodinated salt are cheaper.

That's a level of poverty one has to see to believe.

The urban population represents about 1/3rd of the population but India is the second most polluted nation on earth.

India - AQLI

aqli.epic.uchicago.edu aqli.epic.uchicago.edu

So the Indian populations resistance to infection is certainly compromised.

But I will happily post multiple papers on each outbreak of the Nipah Virus which was obviously not in urban areas. It's also been seen in many developing nations such as Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia and so forth. I won't claim I've read them all, their are almost 500 of them.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
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That dude died. Synthol is crap.
 
I'm pretty sure the image was of a bodybuilder. I used to understand the older, 4-ring anabolic steroids but now their are compounds that are totally alien to me. I guess it's their own choice to take that stuff.

It doesn't affect me if they choose to take them so I don't consider it to be my business.
 
Doctors say they're finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish Covid from allergies or the common cold
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"Just about everyone who I've seen has had really mild symptoms," Eiting said of his urgent care patients, adding, "The only way that we knew that it was Covid was because we happened to be testing them"
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www.nbcnews.com

Sore throat, then congestion: Common Covid symptoms follow a pattern now, doctors say

Doctors who treat Covid describe the ways the illness has gotten milder and shifted over time to mostly affect the upper respiratory tract.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
AlsoTapered said:
Insufficient calories is the least of the problems. Vegetable proteins don't contain all 9 essential amino-acids and so unless they carefully mix WHICH grains and pulses they consume, many suffer serious health consequences:

www.feedingindia.org

Understanding the malnutrition crisis in India

Serving daily meals for a hunger-free India
www.feedingindia.org www.feedingindia.org

Even the very basics like salt have a black market. While some salt naturally contains tiny but vital amounts of iodine, salt produced in India does not. Legally producers are supposed to add 5ug/g of sodium iodide but bricks of uniodinated salt are cheaper.

That's a level of poverty one has to see to believe.

The urban population represents about 1/3rd of the population but India is the second most polluted nation on earth.

India - AQLI

aqli.epic.uchicago.edu aqli.epic.uchicago.edu

So the Indian populations resistance to infection is certainly compromised.

But I will happily post multiple papers on each outbreak of the Nipah Virus which was obviously not in urban areas. It's also been seen in many developing nations such as Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia and so forth. I won't claim I've read them all, their are almost 500 of them.
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Indians eat a ton of dal and rice. Lentils or beans mixed with rice provides all 9 EAAs. There's even a dish called kichri that's a mixture of lentils, rice, and veg. Indians eat way more veg than what I've seen people eat in the US so from my perspective that diet is definitely healthier than US diets
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Indians eat a ton of dal and rice. Lentils or beans mixed with rice provides all 9 EAAs. There's even a dish called kichri that's a mixture of lentils, rice, and veg. Indians eat way more veg than what I've seen people eat in the US so from my perspective that diet is definitely healthier than US diets
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Did you miss the part where 140 million people are living on less than $2 a day? Eating 'a ton of' does not fit into that equation. They are living in harsh temperature (and UV), with massive amounts of pollution and sanitation issues (which in turn impacts the rice and vegetable quality), on top a meagre diet.

Paradoxically India did not implode during covid, neither did Bangladesh and cities like Dhaka which have all of the above conditions and worse because it's a dense city (as opposed to a rural Indian village). That's part of the reason why I knew covid was complete bullshit, when those places did not self destruct. Dense cities with giant populations living in filth, with literal slums, and somehow they managed to evade a completely novel respiratory virus that the rest of the world had a conniption fit over.
 
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Did you miss the part where 140 million people are living on less than $2 a day? Eating 'a ton of' does not fit into that equation. They are living in harsh temperature (and UV), with massive amounts of pollution and sanitation issues (which in turn impacts the rice and vegetable quality), on top a meagre diet.

Paradoxically India did not implode during covid, neither did Bangladesh and cities like Dhaka which have all of the above conditions and worse because it's a dense city (as opposed to a rural Indian village). That's part of the reason why I knew covid was complete bullshit, when those places did not self destruct. Dense cities with giant populations living in filth, with literal slums, and somehow they managed to evade a completely novel respiratory virus that the rest of the world had a conniption fit over.
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It did - over 530,000 Indians died of covid (as of 2020). It might not have reached the US news cycle but apparently they were running out of wood for funeral pyres (as is Hindu custom) and carrying out such cremations around the clock.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories...avirus-in-india-the-epicentre-of-the-pandemic
 
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The percentage of people living in poverty is like 11% in both India AND the US. India has a population of what, 1.3 billion?

When I say "a ton of" what I mean is that it is a staple in their diet, a high percentage of that is their diet and those tend to be healthy foods. They aren't eating deep fried oreos
 
someguyontheinternet said:
The percentage of people living in poverty is like 11% in both India AND the US. India has a population of what, 1.3 billion?

When I say "a ton of" what I mean is that it is a staple in their diet, a high percentage of that is their diet and those tend to be healthy foods. They aren't eating deep fried oreos
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Oh it's healthy if you have enough. But as I pointed out, they do struggle to get all of the various vitamins and minerals. When people skimp on salt out of economic necessity, they are most certainly going to struggle to obtain other micronutrients. Malnutrition isn't just lack of calories.

I know from personal experience. I was living off raman noodles and certainly got sufficient calories. But apparently their is no potassium whatsoever in them. Collapsed, woke up in hospital 6 days later with KCl in physiological saline lines into each arm.

I'm sure you know that hypokalemia begins with tiredness and weakness and ends when the heart rate drops so much you just collapse. I had an impressively low 38 BPM heart-rate. Amazing if you are some zen master or such, not good if you just die.

So now I take a bit more care - lesson learnt.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Oh it's healthy if you have enough. But as I pointed out, they do struggle to get all of the various vitamins and minerals. When people skimp on salt out of economic necessity, they are most certainly going to struggle to obtain other micronutrients. Malnutrition isn't just lack of calories.

I know from personal experience. I was living off raman noodles and certainly got sufficient calories. But apparently their is no potassium whatsoever in them. Collapsed, woke up in hospital 6 days later with KCl in physiological saline lines into each arm.

I'm sure you know that hypokalemia begins with tiredness and weakness and ends when the heart rate drops so much you just collapse. I had an impressively low 38 BPM heart-rate. Amazing if you are some zen master or such, not good if you just die.

So now I take a bit more care - lesson learnt.
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You are right about micronutrients, from the people I've spoken to from India they always remark how spices are cheap and sometimes free. Not sure if that includes salt though
AlsoTapered said:
I'm pretty sure the image was of a bodybuilder. I used to understand the older, 4-ring anabolic steroids but now their are compounds that are totally alien to me. I guess it's their own choice to take that stuff.

It doesn't affect me if they choose to take them so I don't consider it to be my business.
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Thebinage from the gigavaxxed meme? That guy wasn't exactly a bodybuilder. There are some people who want to be body builders but they don't put in the work and just object their muscles with synthol instead. It isn't an anabolic but rather an oil substance that makes their muscles just look bigger and it's pretty damn bad for you, probably worse than anabolics

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bodybuilding - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
AlsoTapered said:
Oh it's healthy if you have enough. But as I pointed out, they do struggle to get all of the various vitamins and minerals. When people skimp on salt out of economic necessity, they are most certainly going to struggle to obtain other micronutrients. Malnutrition isn't just lack of calories.

I know from personal experience. I was living off raman noodles and certainly got sufficient calories. But apparently their is no potassium whatsoever in them. Collapsed, woke up in hospital 6 days later with KCl in physiological saline lines into each arm.

I'm sure you know that hypokalemia begins with tiredness and weakness and ends when the heart rate drops so much you just collapse. I had an impressively low 38 BPM heart-rate. Amazing if you are some zen master or such, not good if you just die.

So now I take a bit more care - lesson learnt.
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Eat dates, bananas, and spinach. Plenty of potassium. Dates are awesome
 
You mean Fats should be taxed, or the non jabbed? Where's that stop then? Should we tax black people for having higher rates of diabetes?
 
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