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Mr. Krinkle said:
yea but NYC is still one big melting pot

it's not very racist here at all - if you think there's massive racism here, you're just simply incorrect - you're not even close to being correct on that


and it depends on your health insurance and what you have going on that might put you in the hole with medical bills....so yea that can suck - but even the homeless have health insurance with medicaid if they end up in the hospital - a social worker puts them on it at the hospital and then predate it to the 1st of the month so they're covered - so the lowest in the income pool is covered even when they're incapable of doing it themselves before something happens....not a bad deal right? at least that part is fixed right? so there's still more work to do there but it's better than it was in some aspects.....

and yea i guess we have a gun problem with everybody shooting one another but that can be fixed if they stop making it so easy to buy guns


and yea all governments lie

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honestly, and please do not take this the wrong way:
when i wanna know about racism in the US, I ask Americans of colour.
Not that I'm assuming your "race", but yeah absolutely assuming it.
No Black person ever that I've met in the US or here living abroad was ever happy with how they're being treated in the States.
There's a crazy police bias against Blacks in the USA

AH so there ARE people who have such medical debts or student debts that they will not be out of debt for decades?
See THAT'S what I call expensive, you don't get into debt here, the state prevents you from going into debt.
meds and education are free here. the doctor is free. ambulance is free. state pays your health care if you're poor.
state gives you money for going to university, etc. pp

most Americans I know and that includes so many people on this forum have a totally "defeatist" attitude,
like the US actually controls the entire world, and it doesn't matter where you go, you will always be trapped, etc
and because of that it's pointless to even try and change the US :rolleyes:

I mean I'm sure they want you to think they control everything worldwide, but I just don't buy it. That's what governments do,
they lie about how powerful they are, and the more powerful you think your own government is, the less inclined you will be to act against it.
That's why the US government loves all these conspiracy theories. It makes it sound so much more powerful

Thank you for finally admittin some of the points.
I thought I was crazy and studying the wrong country for 18 years
 
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that's a cult, man
 
December Flower said:
meds and education are free here. the doctor is free. ambulance is free. state pays your health care if you're poor.
state gives you money for going to university, etc. pp
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Keep in mind I have an American education , but when you say "free" , what do you mean by that? Are you saying that all these things are "without cost or payment" (which is how google defines free) ? I get the without payment part, but seems like fibbing to say it is without cost. I don't believe your government would provide you these things out of the goodness of their hearts without first being compensated with tax money.

I agree with you that our system here is pretty fucked though. And you can't honestly even appreciate how truly fucked it is until you live through it. I've had decent insurance at times and I've also received Medicaid and it's terrible either way. You are still under the fist of the insurance company either way. If they don't want to cover one of your medicines they don't have to. If a doctors office doesn't want to accept your insurance they don't have to.

The last dentist I went to, if I had taken video of how it looked inside...how it smelled...how dirty it was...the people who worked there...people still wouldn't believe me. And that's the only place within thirty miles of me that I could go to. The nice places, they know which insurances to refuse to keep the unsavory types away. When you call and they ask what you have and you tell them, their tone completely changes, as if they have realized they're talking to a degenerate.
 
^ This is so true and I have experienced it many times. I will have to get Medicare next year ( 65 ) but for now it's Medic(aid ) . I can't find a Dentist within 60 miles that will take it and I still don't have a Dr.

Which is so discriminatory as Medicaid pays bills faster than Blue Cross/Shield. I gave up looking last year for a Physician and luckily I am on no scripts and don't need one. If I break my leg I will just go to Urgent Care or the ER. Which of course will be packed as everyone else in my shoes has to go there as there is nowhere else.

Unless you have a lot of Benjamins in the bank the health care system sucks here.
 
I was on Medicaid for a while, never really had a problem finding a nice dentist or anything els really, granted I try to stay away from doctors of any kind like the plague, I’d have to be on deaths door to go to a hospital, and when I had insurance through multiple jobs most blue cross blue shield it was pretty legit imo
 
mal3volent said:
Keep in mind I have an American education , but when you say "free" , what do you mean by that? Are you saying that all these things are "without cost or payment" (which is how google defines free) ? I get the without payment part, but seems like fibbing to say it is without cost. I don't believe your government would provide you these things out of the goodness of their hearts without first being compensated with tax money.

I agree with you that our system here is pretty fucked though. And you can't honestly even appreciate how truly fucked it is until you live through it. I've had decent insurance at times and I've also received Medicaid and it's terrible either way. You are still under the fist of the insurance company either way. If they don't want to cover one of your medicines they don't have to. If a doctors office doesn't want to accept your insurance they don't have to.

The last dentist I went to, if I had taken video of how it looked inside...how it smelled...how dirty it was...the people who worked there...people still wouldn't believe me. And that's the only place within thirty miles of me that I could go to. The nice places, they know which insurances to refuse to keep the unsavory types away. When you call and they ask what you have and you tell them, their tone completely changes, as if they have realized they're talking to a degenerate.
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Well, yes and no. If you're poor, it is provided for you, or so insanely cheap it's basically free.
I earn an aggressively moderate amount of money and pay 68€ per month for health insurance
When I was still freelance working, and couldn't work due to start of Covid for example I assimilated a debt of 4000€ to my health insurance, and the government just paid for it without even saying a fucking word about it.

One day I called my health insurance and they just told me "no that debt has been paid"

For example if you don't have a job, the government will provide you with housing, they will pay your health insurance and about 500€ on top of that for general usage.

What I've actually been referring to though is that even with health insurance in the US, you often pay crazy bills on top,
which is something that doesn't happen here. Health insurance here covers everything, there's only very few things it doesn't pay, like 'naturopaths' for examples.

But people don't even call an ambulance in the US unless there's absolutely no other way, because it's very expensive.

what I marked fat: yeah that's the US I know, thanks man
 
December Flower said:
while that may be, it all stands and falls with the USA
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To be fair, the US is completely owned by AIPAC. US foreign policy doesn't really benefit the average american.

One more thing: what I said about americans being pussies for picking on weak "enemies" really applies only to their government. I remember doing a round trip in california with my parents when I was little and the american people themselves were incredibly kind and hospitable to us. It was the best vacation I ever had. It's the american government with their zionist dual-citizen politicians that's the problem. That and the fact that the average american is an incredibly brainwashed individual. It wasn't my intention to hate on americans :group hug:
 
December Flower said:
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that's a cult, man
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i know they stopped doing the pledge of allegiance in Seattle - but they do it still where i live which is right outside of the city

now i think it's cool - when i did it as a kid, it was just a routine - i didn't feel indoctrinated into anything - it was just something all the kids did

that's not a cult - that's tradition - you're still free to think however you want, right? :USA:



idk but i think all europeans should really be quiet about "racism" when you're the ones who basically invented it - and you're all just as much, if not more, racist than we'll ever be - and that's a fact


Blacks in poor or bad neighborhoods have been at war with cops for a long time - and that's what you see on TV - they shoot at each other in Chicago and LA - it's a complex situation - ya got gangs, ya got drugs - mexicans have the same issues in certain areas and their own country is a complete mess - it's not just "oh look he's black, let's go bust his chops".... that's not the way it is

a while ago, i heard a black dude call the radio station and tell them how he shits his pants when a cop pulls up behind him....and im like "i don't shit my pants too?!" ive had my balls busted big time - i wasn't treated any differently - the cops treat me like shit too - i got plenty of stories about that - my car would get searched and i didn't even do anything - im on the fuck the police team for the most part too

so - if we had a MASSIVE racism problem, like you claim, we would of seen huge uprisings in black neighborhoods during the George Floyd shit, and we didn't really - where was it the worst? Portland and Seattle

now - where do Portland and Seattle sit as far as being the whitest cities in America? Portland is #1 Seattle #5 - so tell me what they're protesting about again in those cities? yea ok

ya know what i mean?


so im just saying - you're no better than us and you already know that because you guys are fucked up and history has already proven that right?
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
i know they stopped doing the pledge of allegiance in Seattle - but they do it still where i live which is right outside of the city

now i think it's cool - when i did it as a kid, it was just a routine - i didn't feel indoctrinated into anything - it was just something all the kids did

that's not a cult - that's tradition - you're still free to think however you want, right? :USA:



idk but i think all europeans should really be quiet about "racism" when you're the ones who basically invented it - and you're all just as much, if not more, racist than we'll ever be - and that's a fact


Blacks in poor or bad neighborhoods have been at war with cops for a long time - and that's what you see on TV - they shoot at each other in Chicago and LA - it's a complex situation - ya got gangs, ya got drugs - mexicans have the same issues in certain areas and their own country is a complete mess - it's not just "oh look he's black, let's go bust his chops".... that's not the way it is

a while ago, i heard a black dude call the radio station and tell them how he shits his pants when a cop pulls up behind him....and im like "i don't shit my pants too?!" ive had my balls busted big time - i wasn't treated any differently - the cops treat me like shit too - i got plenty of stories about that - my car would get searched and i didn't even do anything - im on the fuck the police team for the most part too

so - if we had a MASSIVE racism problem, like you claim, we would of seen huge uprisings in black neighborhoods during the George Floyd shit, and we didn't really - where was it the worst? Portland and Seattle

now - where do Portland and Seattle sit as far as being the whitest cities in America? Portland is #1 Seattle #5 - so tell me what they're protesting about again in those cities? yea ok

ya know what i mean?


so im just saying - you're no better than us and you already know that because you guys are fucked up and history has already proven that right?
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That's part of your history just as ours, well more-so yours

How did we invent it? Oh, because you're also European, like us. Yeah, that's correct.
And you're Europeans sitting on stolen land like you own it. I don't know how that makes you better than us
You keep pretending you are not European, somehow, boggles my mind. Like nothing came before 1777 :ROFLMAO:

I don't know how you can say all that and think that's a good or normal thing. "Yea we got armed gangs shooting the police and vice versa so police are super predisposed towards black ppl y'know just everyday stuff" yeah there's nothing wrong with that picture. It's not what I've heard from Afro-Americans, it's about the frequency at which they get pulled over

There might be uprisings, if your government wasn't ready to meet them by force

Have you actually been to Europe? How exactly is it a fact we're more racist?
By being utterly multi-cultural, learning 3-5 languages in school and learning a literal shitton about every other country?
I know Americans that have trouble finding China on a map. Fucking China....
A big part of European population is a bit Anti-American, I can tell you that, but again,
and I have said this very often, but it's not directed at the people, but at the government

I can only really tell you the German experience of Europe, and that is "hate your own country and nationality, love other countries"
except France, but that's a brethren thing, we're not different nationalities per se
The French are Franken, they are Germans that started speaking "Latin" which in time became its own language, ie French
 
Hexenstahl said:
To be fair, the US is completely owned by AIPAC. US foreign policy doesn't really benefit the average american.

One more thing: what I said about americans being pussies for picking on weak "enemies" really applies only to their government. I remember doing a round trip in california with my parents when I was little and the american people themselves were incredibly kind and hospitable to us. It was the best vacation I ever had. It's the american government with their zionist dual-citizen politicians that's the problem. That and the fact that the average american is an incredibly brainwashed individual. It wasn't my intention to hate on americans :group hug:
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I keep saying the same thing, but it's been taken personally.
a lot :/

rly don't mean it personally, i love Americans, (aside from being super small-talk-y, i hate that,) i just hate the US government
 
Hexenstahl said:
Hah, yeah I hate small-talk too...probably because I'm so bad at it. I just cut right to the chase.
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Srsly it throws me off. When you meet Americans living here like on the streets (chunk of my family is murican too) and they say "hey how are you?" and me being super German, expecting some sort of conversation I stop, and they just walk past.

First time in the US I thought they were being rude, until I realized it's just the way they greet people
 
December Flower said:
Srsly it throws me off. When you meet Americans living here like on the streets (chunk of my family is murican too) and they say "hey how are you?" and me being super German, expecting some sort of conversation I stop, and they just walk past.

First time in the US I thought they were being rude, until I realized it's just the way they greet people
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I hate it when people try to strike up a conversation, I’ll say hello as a politeness, but for the most part it’s a “keep it moving” mentality, but there are MANY people who love to stop and tell a stranger their life story, so it’s not really a American thing I don’t think, it’s a person by person thing, the time or day you catch them on can be a reason, some days you just don’t want to talk others you might or might be running late, but to say “American are this way” it’s kind of…
 
Las Veghost grower said:
I hate it when people try to strike up a conversation, I’ll say hello as a politeness, but for the most part it’s a “keep it moving” mentality, but there are MANY people who love to stop and tell a stranger their life story, so it’s not really a American thing I don’t think, it’s a person by person thing
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No you're not understanding correctly.
You guys say "hey how are you?" as a greeting as if you were saying hello

If you do that to a German we're completely baffled. We expect a conversation, because why else would you ask me that?

We dont engage in stuff like that. If you're friendly with me you get a nod on the street, but if you say "hey how are you?" im expecting a full conversation
 
December Flower said:
No you're not understanding correctly.
You guys say "hey how are you?" as a greeting as if you were saying hello

If you do that to a German we're completely baffled. We expect a conversation, because why else would you ask me that?

We dont engage in stuff like that. If you're friendly with me you get a nod on the street, but if you say "hey how are you?" im expecting a full conversation
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Oh well asking how are you is kind of starting a conversation, but in America it’s considered to polite to add how are you to a greeting, then it’s up to you to read the person on Iv they want to talk, typically it goes , “hello, how are you” ,”good, how are you” , “good”…end of convo unless the people involved want to continue
 
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