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Mjäll said:
My claim was on gang rape. Your source is on rape generally. Thus you don't have the right statistic and thus you @arrall are quoting the wrong statistic.

And yet the bottom line in that source is the alarming number of immigrant rapists.

You guys have no point and my country to you is simply a commercial for leftism. As i said, it's becoming more and more a parody. I live here. You don't live here and are not even quoting the right statistics. Step it up or do not bother.
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the article supports the claim that most rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by immigrants. I would think this study includes gang rape.

I don't get what your complaint is. Step up what?
 
Dropperneck said:
Not enough gibs turns you into a rapist? Post the science links
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The study is on conviction rates, not whether or not the crime was committed.
70-89% of sexual assaults in Sweden go without conviction (70 in the past, 89% in recent years), so the study is based on the tiny minority of perpetrators that the incompetent pigs in blue actually bother to catch.
Being well-off, not a first-generation immigrant, and especially being able to afford a good legal defence tend to drastically reduce your chances of being convicted of a crime.
 
CFC said:
I remember this young Iraqi immigrant that came over after the 2003 US/UK invasion and lived with a family opposite where I was living at the time. He was a friendly chap, about 18 iirc. But I remember he got really outraged that their 17 yr old daughter was planning to go out one night wearing a skirt, like really angry. He was convinced she'd be raped and that it was shameful and disrespectful (to her family) for her to dress like that (FWIW she really wasn't showing much flesh, a pretty typical look for a Western woman on a night out, fairly conservative).

I remember talking to him about it, and I asked him why he thought she would be raped. And he said it's because it's natural for men to rape a woman if she exposes her flesh like that, that you can't trust men, that no woman should be out by herself without male escort/chaperone, and should definitely not wear clothes like that either way.

I said it's completely normal for women here in the West, that he must have noticed, and that they don't get raped just for choosing to dress a certain way. And that men have brains and thus the ability to take responsibility for their own actions and their sex drive. Then I asked him how he would behave around a woman dressed like her, and he said if she dressed like that, men are entitled to basically sexually assault her o_O

To me, that entitled attitude seemed so completed fucked up. I just couldn't get over that difference, it really made me think some cultural traits become too deeply ingrained/inculcated for some to be able to adapt to 180 degree change. I don't know what happened with him, but I hope he managed to figure out how society here works in the end, and come to peace with it.
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It’s also why social programs go to shit, immigrants and illegals don’t understand the implied social contract, and the model doesn’t account for an ever growing dependent population. I respect alot of aspects of the Islamic people, but there are some parts that don’t align with ‘western’ values.
 
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mal3volent said:
the article supports the claim that most rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by immigrants. I would think this study includes gang rape.

I don't get what your complaint is. Step up what?
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arrall was asking for sources on gang rape. I assumed you were looking that up. Maybe you just wanted to post background info on all rape. That's what you did and i can believe that although i don't get the relevance since that wasn't the contended data point. I hereby revise my perception of your intention.

arrall then quoted your source on all rape as if it was about my claim on gang rape. So my "step it up" comment was mainly directed to him and as said i believe you so now it's not directed to you at all anymore.
 
arrall said:
The study is on conviction rates, not whether or not the crime was committed.
70-89% of sexual assaults in Sweden go without conviction (70 in the past, 89% in recent years), so the study is based on the tiny minority of perpetrators that the incompetent pigs in blue actually bother to catch.
Being well-off, not a first-generation immigrant, and especially being able to afford a good legal defence tend to drastically reduce your chances of being convicted of a crime.
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Everyone gets assigned a decent attourney in Sweden by the legal system and there are even attourneys affiliated with criminal gangs/clans, at least specializing in those cases and some have made scandals. The socioeconomic factor is more about general crime propensity with worse conditions, mental health and outlook. There is also a cultural factor which has been immensely overlooked here.

I don't know if attourney is the exact right word. I mean defense lawyer either way.
 
JGrimez said:
I think I watched it a long time ago.
Pretty concerning that a lobby that powerful cannot really be discussed or debated.
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They banned it off the network before it could be shown, and then someone leaked it. It’s pretty obvious why they freaked out about it. America is essentially an Israeli colony. I just wonder if CIA agents treat mossad like royalty, when they come to visit.
 
Dropperneck said:
They banned it off the network before it could be shown, and then someone leaked it. It’s pretty obvious why they freaked out about it. America is essentially an Israeli colony. I just wonder if CIA agents treat mossad like royalty, when they come to visit.
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I think they would but they'd also be quite fearful of them. I read a book recently about the Mossad called Rise and Kill First. Some of the stuff they get up to is pretty ballsy and impressive and I'm sure that's only scratching the surface of what they really get up to (it doesn't even mention 9/11).
 
yesterday the Tories passed a law effectively banning public protest, so i'm all in favor of them springing leaks to various wacko splinter groups and falling apart. however the law was enthusiastically supported by the Labour party, and they're the ones who'll likely take over next year. so ideally they need to implode/explode as well, perhaps more urgently.
 
CFC said:
yesterday the Tories passed a law effectively banning public protest, so i'm all in favor of them springing leaks to various wacko splinter groups and falling apart. however the law was enthusiastically supported by the Labour party, and they're the ones who'll likely take over next year. so ideally they need to implode/explode as well, perhaps more urgently.
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You guys have no good parties. Nigel should start his own imo
 
Dropperneck said:
You guys have no good parties. Nigel should start his own imo
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he did run UKIP for more than 30 years. only certain folks really take him seriously here; he often talks a lot but it's largely of the hot air, arse licking or cringe variety. he had one main idea - to leave the EU - and when that was achieved and became a fiasco, he quit and disappeared.

i've no idea what his latest idea is really about, but he has less than zero chance of uniting the right - mainstream Tories genuinely loathe him, and while he is fairly popular with older voters, they're unlikely to abandon the Conservatives unless he basically promises no change, which would defeat the point
 
The overwhelming majority of white Americans (USA people) actually have some British ancestry.

Usually, when USA folks talk about ancestry, they talk about total numbers of immigrants that came over on boats, mostly in the latter half of C19, and so tend to think there are more Americans of German heritage.

Demographically speaking, however - and because birth rates among immigrants already settled in the US were the highest in the world by some margin - all the later C19 immigrants did is marginally dilute an existing settled population that was overwhelming from the British Isles.
 
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