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The depths of THC, a new look at the green godess.

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webbykevin

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I would like to discuss some aspects of the psychedelic potential of THC that seems to be rarely discussed or investigated.

Cannabis has been a long term companion on my journey through life, it has been a wonderful and gentler alternative to alcohol in providing a relaxed and enjoyable social environment to unwind in.

But it has somehow, (other than the first couple of experiences) nevr been up there on the scale of say LSD, Mushrooms, DMT, Salvia etc.....

These substances grab your full attention, you are completely involved and interacting with the phenomenon, you dont smoke a huge hit of salvia in order to help make washing the dishes more bearable or to give that old bob marley track a bit of an inner groovyness, but with Cannabis, it has always been that I have used the drug as an enhancement to something else I was doing, playing music, driving, chatting to friends, writing a poem, going to the shops, it seems that Cannabis has given me a lot and been very gentle in not demanding much in return.

When you compare long term THC usage to Heroin or Speed or pretty much anything, Somehow the energy of Cannabis is gentle and safe.

But it occured to me that I couldn't remember one single time when I had smoked Cannabis to investigate the Spirit or the Essence behind the drug itself, when you sit down to have a deep visit with the salvia lady or with the gnomes and sprites of mushroom world, you fully pay attention to the dialog, but with Cannabis, the dialog is always about something else, or a selfish introverted exploration.

I always took from cannabis, i never really thanked it for what it has added to my life or given it my undivided direct attention.

So because I have had these direct contact experiences with other entities through these rarer and stronger plants, I know through direct experience that a logos or an archetype or some kind of mind external to my own can be perceived and engaged with in some regions of hyperspace.

But I had never met the THC goddess, well I didn't even know it was a goddess, i have heard it described as a goddess energy plant but that's just rhetoric and someone else s ideas but until I have a direct experience of something myself I try not to just buy other peoples raves on the blind faith that they are right.

Thats how the religions got so lost, they excluded the need for the verification of direct experience of their gods.

So how to find out if she really exists, how to facilitate a meeting with the lady of the hemp garden, I didn't have much to go on but I remember those trip reports from the 18th and 19th century explorers in books such as "the hash eaters" and in those accounts I found descriptions of experiences that are as wild and psychedelic as any DMT LSD 2CB Nitrous combo you will find on erowid or bluelight.

So these guys got somewhere on THC that was further out there, way further out there than any place I had gone with it. Now the quantities these guys were taking were quite monumental, such as eating 3 or 4 ounces of full strength sticky black Nepalese hash and tripping balls for 3 days and stuff.

On these amounts they describe full hallucinations, out of body experiences, ego death, one-ness, panic, fear, astonishment and ecstasies of the type todays brave psychonaughts desire, but this was all done on just good old THC.

Now I don't have the means or the time to invest in obtaining and eating 4 ounces of Nepalese hash, but I did hear a Terrence McKenna talk once where he lamented about his cannabis use and felt like in some ways he had missed the essence of it too, and his using it daily as just a booster was not a serious investigation of it, and he thought that a better way to treat is was more similar to the way we treat things like strong dmt trips or high dose lsd journeys, they should be done rarely and in high doses and in silent darkness with your full consciousness and attention open just to the drug itself.

So I know that from personal experience after 30 years of regular use, that giving myself a break from THC for a minimum of a month, but 2 or 3 months will be better, will lower my tolerance to a level where a huge strong dose will be massively more effective than if i have any tolerance.

So the plan was/is, stop all THC for as long as possible, complete abstinence, not even the occasional sly bong. Then, after a month or 2, eat a good half ounce of fresh buds and roll a joint of the strongest organic sticky sativa, a massive joint, one that would make bob marley put it down half way through, and sit in a dark room with just a candle lit in the middle of the night, smoke this whole joint, at least a quarter ounce, I read in one of these old books that the only way to take cannabis was to go hard until you reached the point where you were convinced you had done too much, then as soon as I finished the last toke, blow out the candle, lie back in silent darkness, and pay attention to what happens.

I am embarking on this experiment soon, just waiting for set and setting to fall into place and I will be seeking a meeting with the goddess if she exists.

I just wondered if anyone else has approached THC in this way.
I will do up a trip report if anything interesting happens.
 
Yes, but I'm more interested in a direct investigation of the natural effects through a potential enhancing of consciousness and awareness rather than trying to synthetically force a breakthrough.
 
I'm not sure you will suffer by giving up daily use of cannabis.

I started cutting down a few years back, and for sure it makes the occasional smoking experience much more substantial.

During a quiet period, I took 8 or 9 serious hits from a joint before going on a very long plane ride. And I had to sit down before passing through immigration to collect myself. It was very much a psychedelic. If I had been in kinder surroundings, it would be have been even better. But it definitely had the buzz and energy of a heavier pscyh. It will depend too on what you are smoking.

If you have not given up daily smoking for at least six months, try that, without expectations. Just find a way to get through it and find out what happens. There is no way to describe the effect until you do it.
 
well i have blazed then laid in bed at night in complete darkness.
thoughts of existence,
who was behind everything,
the truth behind reality,
and other things became very very clear and certain.
the only problem(break out the paranoia here lol) was that evrytime i reached a great epiphany about existence i would spontaneously have a sharp heart pain, just for a quick second. made me think that someone or something was reading my thoughts and warning me to STOP unveiling the truth or you will be dealt with.
those things often happen A LOT.
whenever i experience an epiphany, the phone will ring instantly,
or something in the house will fall,
or the old metal heater will pop.
basically, the second any type of deep realization occurs, a loud noise "a sign" as i take it will occur.
but only when its an epiphany on reality and existence and who/what is behind it all, will i receive an instantaneous heart pain.

edit: there is something scientists think they have discovered a while back called "the god module". they believe it is a small region in the brain that allows for psychic insight and abilities.
 
I'm not sure you will suffer by giving up daily use of cannabis.

I started cutting down a few years back, and for sure it makes the occasional smoking experience much more substantial.

During a quiet period, I took 8 or 9 serious hits from a joint before going on a very long plane ride. And I had to sit down before passing through immigration to collect myself. It was very much a psychedelic. If I had been in kinder surroundings, it would be have been even better. But it definitely had the buzz and energy of a heavier pscyh. It will depend too on what you are smoking.

If you have not given up daily smoking for at least six months, try that, without expectations. Just find a way to get through it and find out what happens. There is no way to describe the effect until you do it.



Thanks for the input, I am convinced that there is something worth aiming for here anyway, I totallly take your point about making sure the cannabis used for the experiment/experience is of the appropriate strain and quality, my personal leaning would be towards strong outdoor organic buds, lovingly grown and cured with patience and respect, not some bling named hydro strain pumped out of a plastic bath of chemicals in 6 weeks for profit.

I feel that with hydroponics, the godess has already been raped or insulted somehow and I tend to stay away from it.
 
I find that if I smoke very frequently, I grow to think of smoking as mind dulling and not all that fun. Smoking every once in a while (around 2 times per month) and it can be very nice.
 
This is a very intriguing idea, and something I think I'd like to do at some point in my future. The abstinence will definitely be important. Please let us know the results if you end up following through on the experiment! :)
 
^I agree :)

But OP, I hope you're literally not just going to eat a half ounce or so of buds, your GI tract will not be happy at all me thinks... Not to mention how inefficient that would be
 
^I've smoked rue and cannabis twice, we'd smoke a bunch of ground rue seeds until you start to feel that subtle yet interesting feeling Syrian Rue gives, then we'd smoke a bunch of weed.

I can definitely say there was no 'potentiation', but the rue does add an interesting something to the cannabis high.

Both me and my very good friend felt nearly the exact same effects.
 
^I agree :)

But OP, I hope you're literally not just going to eat a half ounce or so of buds, your GI tract will not be happy at all me thinks... Not to mention how inefficient that would be

Well I've had some pretty smashed experiences with hash cookies a few times over the years, A lot of people say eating pot doesnt float their boat, and I agree to some degree, it is certainly been one of the rarer ways I have used THC.

But it definately works, and was much more of a total body wipe out way of getting stoned, perhaps that's not what i am looking for anyway as I am more interested in the headspace ones consciousness can find not just how wiped out I can get.

But as I also mentioned, the hash eaters were called that for a reason, and just chewed up chunks of it from what I can make out.

I wasn't planning on stuffing half an ounce of buds into a salad roll lol, i was thinking of a batch of really strong infused butter and then baking half a dozen gooey chocolate hash butter cookies and eating them, then when that body slamming feeling starts to kick in, then smoke the huge joint, and maybe have a few hash chillums ready to go too.

I dont think a breakthrough will happen on just a good sized joint, so I want to load up the bodys thc intoxication so that the experience can progress in waves as different effects play out.

Also, in some ways I dont mind doing the hard yards if they are not going to kill me, ie, i will handle a bout of nausea or purging with mushrooms, so a bit of a tummy ache from eating thc may be unpleasant, but it's not prohibitive in a harm management context.

Just some initial thoughts anyway about how i will do it, its still a work in progress, so all input is useful and valued.
 
It'd be nice if there were a safe short acting low-paranoia synthetic CB-1 agonist that one could IV to attempt this sort of thing -- something that could inspire the cannabinoid system's answer to a DMT flash. I'm certainly interested in your results, but would personally worry about side effects getting the best of me at doses high enough to induce visions (paranoia, extreme short-term memory impairment akin to anterograde amnesia, etc.). I'd expect more of delirious experience than anything, but wish you the best.
 
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^ I once had a dramatic overdose on JWH-018 which I would actually compare to a DMT flash. It had visuals (drramatic ones! comparable to DMT in their complexity and shininess, but not really fractals per se), ego softening, "out-of-the-box" psychedelic insights, and a lot of other bells and whistles. unfortunately it was together with a panic attack. i repeated the experience on ~20mg of diazepam to kill the paranoia, and it was pretty cool, but still a bit much for my faint heart with regards to anxiety.

OP, I wouldn't recommend your idea. delirium is the right word probably, coupled with a lot of nastiness and anxiety.
 
One reason cannabinoids are pretty safe seems to be because the CB receptors are not really found in the regions of the nervous system responsible for controlling breathing and keeping the heart going.
With adverse reactions heartrate may rise because of indirect stress effects and that could cause a complication in the really susceptible people but it's not really a major concern.

The panic attack like reactions seem to happen because even though moderate CB1 agonism has a relaxing effect, strong agonism has the opposite effect. This apparently is exactly what happens with cannabinoid overdoses which is more likely with the very potent ones like JWH-018.
Refined natural cannabinoids as in QWISO oil can also do this mind you... smoking normal unprocessed cannabis tends not to do this because of a few reasons:
- there are CBN and CBD and other cannabinoids in there that modulate or attenuate the effects of THC and prevent this CB1 overstimulation or so it seems.
- a sort of tolerance / tachyphylactic effect can create a ceiling that has the same consequence, it may or may not be general CB1 desensitization... Smoking multiple joints in a sitting may actually get you less high in a way because the effects eventually sort of stabilize apart from the temporary kick of inhaling new cannabinoids. This does happen in my experience, it's noticable... at the very least it gets you less high than hitting a seriously strong dose right away.

About the plan or idea from the OP: There is a point to it that repeated smoking of cannabis makes you miss the point after a while and the tolerance ruins it, this corresponds with the ability to get a good cannabis trips like you can get with eating a good amount of hash, smoking potent synthetic cannabinoids or abstaining... but your plan is seriously overdoing it making it likely to get the overdose/panic effect mentioned earlier.

Doing either of those things is enough, just trust that: abstain for a while, a terrific idea, then just smoke a normal amount until you have a nice trip with lots more novelty. Or do oral cannabis, which has a bigger chance of getting you to trip even if you are a regular smoker, or do a synthetic - same thing.
All of these are separate good ideas, but with the increased chance of tripping also comes the increased risk of overdoing it, stop smoking for a long while and you pretty much get your beginner sensitivity back - therefore you can also freak out like a beginner! I'm starting to repeat myself now.

Abstaining for a while is a very good idea in general IMO and IME... not because I have a specific bias against regular use of cannabis (some don't get as many negatives like lethargy etc), but because it can impair your judgement about how it affects you. If you smoke very regularly then you are in a constant mental haze. I have stopped smoking dope regularly more than once and a number of times I realized only later how perma-stoned I had been all this time.
Eventually I didn't want that anymore so I stopped altogether, I am interested in trying a synthetic cannabinoid now and then though. I am not trying to get you to stop altogether, I am trying to say quit for a month now and then, touch baseline and re-evaluate if YOU really want to continue with it. :)
 
^ I once had a dramatic overdose on JWH-018 which I would actually compare to a DMT flash. It had visuals (drramatic ones! comparable to DMT in their complexity and shininess, but not really fractals per se), ego softening, "out-of-the-box" psychedelic insights, and a lot of other bells and whistles. unfortunately it was together with a panic attack. i repeated the experience on ~20mg of diazepam to kill the paranoia, and it was pretty cool, but still a bit much for my faint heart with regards to anxiety.

OP, I wouldn't recommend your idea. delirium is the right word probably, coupled with a lot of nastiness and anxiety.

I definitely wouldn't recommend a high dose of JWH-018 cos it's an absolute hell of paranoia, bodyload and mindfuck. I would certainly recommend exploring oral cannabis rather than smoked to experience the psychedelic potential therein. You definitely don't need to go munching 3-4oz of Nepalese Temple Balls to trip on hash I can assure you. Actual amount require will totally depend on the individual. With little tolerance 1/16 or so of nice squidgy black hash had me wasted for three days many years ago. All depends on tolerance and quality of hash/weed really. And ratio of cannabinoids probably.

Cosmic Yoghurts are a great way to eat hash - just melt the hash in butter or oil then stir into a yoghurt (plain live yoghurt always seemed to work best but doubt it matters much,) leave for at least 30 minutes (again probably not required but did seem to increase the effects somehow) then munch and go play with the Goddess, if you like. Would work with weed too, I'm sure, but would be kinda bitty. Bhang Lhassis are also highly recommended if you have access to hash oil. Probably the second most intense "trippy" experience of cannabis I've had. The most trippy being swallowing around 2g of good hash with no tolerance. If I'd known to break it down in fat first it'd possibly have been even more intense cos I don't think it's broken down so well just swallowed plain but not positive on that.

But yeah, oral cannabis is your friend for gangadelia :)
 
The biggest factor for a successful experiment would be to find a way to keep yourself from falling asleep. After so much dope one would have a hard time staying awake, with cannabis the routes of administration and desired effects could be so unpredictable to the point that it would be hard to find a strong enough dose yet effective but at the same time not so much that you will just put yourself in a comatose (not literally) and not remember/experience anything but a deep sleep. The dose response curve could be pretty tricky. Would really suck to do all this preparation to end up with a result as such! Good luck with the experiment!
 
I agree that memory loss tends to be an issue with highish dose oral cannabis in particular. It's a bit hit and miss how much you remember, to be honest. Never had a problem staying awake though really. Also, eating hash tends to give you the squits in a big way too so best not stray too far from toilet facilities ;)
 
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