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Oxy is better. But Ive quit. Codeine never did much for me but doubt Ive taken it solo. Idk, after awhile they all feel the same aka not sick.
 
Heroin is even better. :\

Fuck, I cannot stay in a stable frame of mind recently. I either feel pretty okay or utterly devastated, tired, worn out.

I'm going to have a break from Bluelight I think.
 
willow11 said:
Oh boy. Keep safe nix

Yeah I love life too, 800mg of codeine. :\ Fuck, we all love life...:D

B_d, do u think there is a ceiling effect with codeine? I don't think so.
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The dosage-effect curve is not linear, that's for sure. Feels more like a Michaelis-Menten curve type of thing. 1000 mg is only ~15% more than 500 mg in terms of effects in my experience, but I still dose that high, because 500 mg does nothing. With 1000 mg I'm at least somewhat satisfied.
 
Just don't disappear forever willow. I know its a little strange, but I do worry about a lot of you folks out there on the internet and spend time thinking about yas when I'm not online. Your recent depression has troubled me, like I said I know someone that thinks as deeply as you is depressed on a whole different level. Hope you make it through brother.
 
willow11 said:
Heroin is even better. :\

Fuck, I cannot stay in a stable frame of mind recently. I either feel pretty okay or utterly devastated, tired, worn out.

I'm going to have a break from Bluelight I think.
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The heroin merry-go-round ain't no fun.

It's wake up, feel ill, obtain money, contact dealer, wait for dealer feeling like it is taking an eternity, use heroin, feel like you can function, get some things done before either nodding off or being too high to care about anything, use more... Rinse and repeat.

If you want an effective and painless way to get out of it, I recommend using pregablin for two weeks, along with a 5 day bupe detox. It is basically painless.

The real challenge is maintaining sobriety, because the body&mind will always remember the good times, not the bad.

Good luck, mate.
 
Willow,

Have you tried bio-energy therapy?

I don't mean just getting acupuncture or healing, but doing things like yoga, meditation, breathing exercises, shadow-work, and raw food diet myself every day. It has really helped for me after I stopped using Kratom before Christmas. Actually, it has made a huge difference.

It helps to remove blockages and free up life-force within you so you can feel much better.
 
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I find yoga especially beneficial. It gets the body&mind moving, gives you a stretch, incorporates some meditation, initiates repetition of body movements rather than repetition of drug cycles, and all round makes me feel good afterwards.

There is a spiritual aspect to it, as well.

Feeling a oneness with the rest of the class is one such aspect which is well worth attending for.
 
Yes, Yoga is great. It's a form of meditation in itself and you can do deep breathing exercises with it. I often find it has dissolved a blockage or dissipated negative energy.
 
Another thing is when you meditate you learn to still your mind or stop the constant inner dialogue that is one of the greatest drains on your energy. And only 1/10 of it is worth thinking, anyway.
 
willow11 said:
Oh boy. Keep safe nix <3

Yeah I love life too, 800mg of codeine. :\ Fuck, we all love life...:D

B_d, do u think there is a ceiling effect with codeine? I don't think so.
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If you are taking that much codeine you do not love life! 800mg would probably kill me. lethal for half of those who would take it. I don't take more than 30 mg of any opioid. I've been taking pills since about 13 and still get high on 10 mg of any kind of codone. Thank goodness for self control and never allowing myself to become addicted to anything but weed. It would really suck to have to take so much to get a buzz on! Your heading down a path of stupidity nix. I would stay away from the hard stuff, it will lead to a life full of regrets. I've never known a junkie who didn't wish they never got hooked. I've also never met anypne who is glad to be hooked on bullshit.

Opiates are a horrible antidepressant because. they only bring you up for a few hours and what follows will be worse than where you started. If you aren't in any pain and you are feeling depressed, I would recommend plenty of exercise. much healthier results.
 
Nixiam said:
Hehe. Long time no see Mr.
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I am pretty careful about where I spend my freetime these days, but this isn't exactly freetime. Still have a half hour before I can clock out, but have been out of stuff to do for over an hour. figured I'd kill some time reading up.
 
turkalurk said:
I would stay away from the hard stuff, it will lead to a life full of regrets. I've never known a junkie who didn't wish they never got hooked. I've also never met anypne who is glad to be hooked on bullshit.

Opiates are a horrible antidepressant because. they only bring you up for a few hours and what follows will be worse than where you started. If you aren't in any pain and you are feeling depressed, I would recommend plenty of exercise. much healthier results.
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I entirely agree. Getting into opiates (or other addictive drugs) always feels benign at first. Addiction creeps up though, and you generally don't realize it until it's too late and you have a monkey on your back. It's unbelievable how shitty life can get when you have a serious addiction. Trust me on that, I know because I was addicted to opiates for 10 years, basically through my entire twenties. It took a number of years for me to start suffering really badly from it, but nearly the whole time I had to take them or suffer terrible withdrawals. Over time my self-esteem, finances, and relationships were damaged badly. Eventually I actively wished to die every day. And by nature I am a happy person too.

Basically I can't warn you enough to stay away from opiates. There is a very strong chance that if you don't, you will find yourself in a hell worse than you can imagine, a while from now. <3
 
Thanks for the kind thoughts of most here, it is appreciated. I've been sober/straight for the last 3 days, feeling pretty good. Had some mild withdrawal from codeine but nothing major. Hopefully this depression lifts soon. I do feel a bit clearer. Have found myself some really nice LSD, had a half-dose yesterday at work. Now, LSD is a genuine effective anti-depressant. :)

Pharamakos said:
Just don't disappear forever willow. I know its a little strange, but I do worry about a lot of you folks out there on the internet and spend time thinking about yas when I'm not online. Your recent depression has troubled me, like I said I know someone that thinks as deeply as you is depressed on a whole different level. Hope you make it through brother.
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Thanks man. I don't want to trouble anyone; I have enough experience dealing with mental illness to have an awareness of how this shit will play out but you're right, this depression is/was deep. And yet, during it, I still get huge rushes of insane contentment and euphoria when I simply KNOW I am on the right track.

Getting better I hope. :)

Vagina Lover said:
The heroin merry-go-round ain't no fun.

It's wake up, feel ill, obtain money, contact dealer, wait for dealer feeling like it is taking an eternity, use heroin, feel like you can function, get some things done before either nodding off or being too high to care about anything, use more... Rinse and repeat.

If you want an effective and painless way to get out of it, I recommend using pregablin for two weeks, along with a 5 day bupe detox. It is basically painless.

The real challenge is maintaining sobriety, because the body&mind will always remember the good times, not the bad.

Good luck, mate.
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I'm not actually addicted to heroin. I haven't actually used it in over four years. My remark was a flippant retort to Kittycat who said oxycodone is a better anti-d than codeine, I 'one upped' him...:\ It was a facetious line of conversation. I haven't even been tempted to take heroin once in the last few years... I appreciate your thoughts but figured I should explain what's really happening. The opiates that I use tend to be codeine and occaisionally methadone. I really really do not want to anymore, especially the codeine. The whole CWE worries me; I feel it is imprecise. I'm sure that I inadvertently ingest too much paracetemol and ibuprofen; this has caused me immense anxiety TBH, moreso when I just blithely continue doing it. Anyway, codeine is getting massively restricted in Australia now so its not viable any longer.

I'm looking into ibogaine. Every time I face a slight challenge, usually something emotionally difficult, I find my brain suggesting drugs. Maladaptive and destructive. As turk said, these things are not effective for mood modification in the long term. I literally feel a huge increase in suicidal thoughts when I am not on opiates. Its just abstract and with little emotional content, but it is troubling that my subconscious almost 'uses' suicide as a threat.

Ninae said:
I don't mean just getting acupuncture or healing, but doing things like yoga, meditation, breathing exercises, shadow-work, and raw food diet myself every day. It has really helped for me after I stopped using Kratom before Christmas. Actually, it has made a huge difference.
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I actually do have a beneficial meditation practise, though I have been slack recently. I try to meditate for at least 30mins a day, in two sessions. I cannot describe how useful this is to me... Raw food diet sounds interesting. What is shadow-work?

turk said:
If you are taking that much codeine you do not love life! 800mg would probably kill me. lethal for half of those who would take it. I don't take more than 30 mg of any opioid. I've been taking pills since about 13 and still get high on 10 mg of any kind of codone. Thank goodness for self control and never allowing myself to become addicted to anything but weed. It would really suck to have to take so much to get a buzz on!
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The 'love life' comment needs context behind it to make sense. For me, taking large doses is just a fact, it doesn't really "suck". In my hey-day, I have taken enormously stupid doses of codeine, 1600mg, and (obviously) survived. I am sure you understand the concept of perma-tolerance. Even being abstinent from opiates for 12 months did little to reset my tolerance.

Interesting that you say "allowed". I don't think any addict (junky as you put it) allows themselves to get addicted. Addiction can bypass reason and conscience, it is insidious in that sense. It can hijack decision making to the extent that it feels like a genuine obvious and clear choice to use and not a compulsion- which it is. If you haven't had a serious addiction (though weed can be very addictive to some- not trying to negate your experience) it may be hard to understand.
 
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