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The death of warehouse parties and much more...Could melbourne be next?

naww candyflip i know you see things from both sides and thats cool
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what i meant was, you see it from *todays* perspective, from a new perspective, because you're new to it... like *me*! i love a lot about todays scene, i have great times at parties, its absolutely my fave way to spend time (well, *nearly* teehee)
i'm trying to show the perspective of those who've been at it a lot longer (asym being one of them), cuz it was different.
and i think when people lash out at others who they consider arent there for the right reasons, its because the vibe has changed, the scene has changed and when they ask themselves "why is that?" then what you have seen is what they come up with, for better or for worse. they're just disappointed cuz things aint what they used to be, and if you've experienced something truly magical, and it goes away, you cant really blame anyone for being a bit upset about it.
it also comes down to a sense of community, and the more people involved in something, the less the sense of community that exists, it seems to be true for all things, and the rave scene is no different.
as it is, i think there are still so many great things about this scene. and candyflip you're with me in that, we have new vision and we experience it as it is *now* and have passion for it.
so to the ppl who feel a lil disappointed at how things are, at least try to focus on us newbies who *do* have the passion, for the music, for the people and the vibe and in some cases (ahem *cough*) even plur
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its not all bad!
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and it still beats playing the pokies (or something..) on a saturday night!
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oh, and serotone, i'm sure i mailed you bout this.. but i'm SO interested in helping w/ yr party
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um... candyflip, dont wanna slap you in the face with a cold fish
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but... your wrong.
My first post in this thread attacked serotone because I thought him preaching non drugs at parties was kinda pathetic when this is a drug bullitin board, so next time you attack, please get ur facts strait
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I've got something to add...
What are we gonna do about it all?
I've been going to parties for a little under 3 years, and I can say with complete conviction that they have changed. The ways in which they have changed have already been outlined... Now I think change is inevitable, and I don't think we should fight it, just try to make sure it doesn't lead to anybody getting into trouble. This is where education comes in. I think we should continue to educate all the newbies getting into the scene just for the drugs, and show them how stupid they're being (those few that just wanna take drugs, any drugs).
As for warehouse parties and taking the scene underground, I think we should do just that, have our own underground parties, (like plastikman's bush doof, all legal, it'll still be big, they're just not telling everyone about it, it's for those who really care about the music) and let the more commercial "raves" turn into whatever they will...
There's more of the newbies and not-so-raver type people going to those parties than there are people like us. So we can do what we can to keep them from ruining the scene completely by killing themselves through uninformed drugs use, but we can't have things the way they were...
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Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.
 
Remember one thing that is very important!
Big dance parties like GC are just dance parties and not raves.
When we used to go to a raves (I'm taking about 5 to 10 years ago, and yes I still go to theme)with about 500 to a max of 1000 ppl, the only place you could have theme was in a warehouse because clubs didn't want theme, remember?
Now, clubs are accepting it a lot more and they have moved into clubs like Billboard, Palace and Paladin. They still have about 500 to 1000 ppl there and those ppl are still having FUN. Some on drugs some straight. Don't forget the difference between a dance parties with douf and a rave.
PS; The club that I work at, has every thing that we are talking about, I think!
PPL there are as friendly as, the staff are nice (yes, even the Security), and the most important thing is ppl come for the music and NOT for who and/or what they take.
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Peace from Number 7
 
I don't want to sound like a broken record,
but Mr.Horse, what exactly, in your eyes, have i been preaching? Becuase, for the umpteenth time I have never said one thing against drugs in general. Drug use at parties was there from the start, I'm no one to challenge what ppl did 10-15 years ago, after all, its those ppl and the drug xtc that made the music what it is today. And for all i care drug use can continue at parties, as long as it's responsible (which I believe someone said this is a bulletin board for the responsible use of drugs in our 'scene').
So, no hard feelings man, but I never 'preached anti drugs at parties', if i wanted to do that, i'd have written a letter to the herald sun, because more of THAT audience would be paying attention to it than bluelighters would.
So yeah....have a coke and a smile and shudafugup
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-peace-
So yeah maybe the tone of this thread should change to solutions, and stuff like that. I've already posted about the party I'm thinking of doing, so I'm definetly interested in a bluelight stall, and i want to do things right, even though its gonna underground. Stuff like first aid, proper drug use education, etc won't go astray. It mite not be used/needed on the nite, but better it be there and not needed than not be there when needed.
 
*argh* I knew this would happen. I already thought I explained myself, as have you 50 trillion times. I understand your point, I was simply trying to get mine across to CF ok?
Chill bro, we are all friends here!
 
hi all
i have read far to much about this and as whole PEOPLE are taking it to personally. SO i am gonna start a new thread composing of POSITIVE WAY of making a rave a rave, and and party a party without drugs with. no matter ur choice!!!! ways of improving what to look out for. educating people, nuskoolers old skoolers. the 10 holy commandments of a raver. WHICH ALL SHOULD ABID BY??
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keep the vibe alive
rave this nation-rj's rule
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Horsey: one of us was smoking last night, and it wasn't me my man!
from your post : "its the people who use parties and clubs as a haven to take drugs that are ruining the scene. They are the dumb fucks that are spoiling it for us. I can respect that they may not like the music, or do like to take a lot of drugs, but why cant they do it at thier place? Its like these bloody bullies coming to play on our play equipment.
hmm, i'm too stoned to be ranting and raving, but beware, I'm gonna do a hella post soon"
You don't see the irony in that post Horsey?!?!?...YOU take drugs at these parties...you GO to these events to take drugs (and listen to music, yes,..but also as a very safe, friendly and hellishly popular place to TAKE DRUGS with all your Bluelight and non-Bluelight friends!!)...
I can't see at all how you manage to differentiate between 'them' and 'us'?!...
You (and I) ARE them!...
Serotone: Actually, none of this was directed at you!...you made the point at the very beginning that you DON'T take drugs...fair enough...you MUST be in it for the music...very commendable...I'm in it for both as a matter of fact, but that's me..
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atomica: other people (again, not you) ranting and raving at the new people 'invading' the scene (whether they be new, old, ravers, clubbers, steroid heads, whatever) is pointless and reminds one more than a little of the scene from Human Traffic where the 'old' heads bitch ceaslessly about how 'it ain't friendly anymore' and 'everyone is just so cold and removed' (while doing exactly the same themselves, of course!).....
EVERY scene has new people enter, NOTHING stays the same and BLAMING it on the newbies is entirely wrong!...WHO has the bigger smile on their faces at these events?....the newbies...WHY?...because it's fresh to them...WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT JOY ANYMORE?...because 'they' still have some joy to wrench from it, where as WE are 'over it'...
so where does that leave we tired, jaded and dejected ravers do you think?....
time to go home...
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[This message has been edited by candyflip (edited 04 October 2000).]
 
OK 2 things that always catch my attention and get thrown around time and time again in Bluelight.....
RESPONSIBLE DRUG USE &
TAKING DRUGS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS
Are we actually taking the piss when we say these things guys.... Because if we aren't, well, i dunno, but.. surely we cant be serious
And this is to you DECIMAL DAN, ill actually disagree with ya on the overage vs. underage thing. I actually prefer the younger crowd coz i myself was a very young starter (i think u were too from the sounds of things) and remember what it was like, it was just us, the legends that were into the scene, the ones who had friends 4-5 years older than us. Hardly anyone our age knew what was going on, it was like our wicked discreet thing to do. But as we get older, all the tools and wankers that we used to hang shit on and wouldnt be seen dead hanging around start popping up at our parties. SO when i go to an all ages party, i see all these young kids that remind me of me, who used to love the music, who were just out to have a mad time without the bad company. But at overage (and the overages that were at PureFlow) they're the ones who make up the shit crowd, they're the bogans and losers who have 'caught on' to the scene 50 years later... i dunno, but thats how i see it. What do you reckon?
 
The day I can actually consider myself one of the 'jaded' is the day I stop going out and take up midnight poker games...
Whenever I go to a party I don't notice the young kids, or the old bogans, or anyone who doesn't "fit in" until someone points them out... and then 20 seconds later I'm not paying attention too them anymore... Part of the bad vibe of some parties is caused by those who are too concerned about the "misfits". If we just ignored the people who really don't fit in (after actually talking to them to find out if they really know what's going on) then we'd all have a much better time...
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Sarge: Actually, I didn't get into it until I was 18. I never liked clubs, or the idea of clubs. All the sleaze, the glamour, the ritz - it never appealed to me. So the first "club" I went to was The Cage (when it was XSive) where it was basically a "rave" club anyway.
And no, I didn't have all these older friends who knew about them. It was my older sister and my cousin who was the same age as me. Oh, and Tarsarlan. 3 people...
You're right about the fact that it was a place to escape and not see the people you saw everyday. And when they started to pop up at parties - yes, I got majorly pissed off.
Candyflip: That scene in Human Traffic pops to mind ALL the time. And you're right! And it makes me think as well. If you're over it, why not just butt out? This is one of the reasons I don't go out as much as I used to. I tend to "butt out" on things that I know I will just stand around having a bitch about.
Serotone: Sorry buddy, but the drugs and this music go hand-in-hand. I'm jealous that you don't need them - your brain must love you! I can go to a party straight IF there a DJ I want to see. The music is enough to keep me going. But if there is a DJ I love, I take drugs to enhance the experience - make it better. If everyone stopped taking drugs and went purely for the music, it would be like going to watch a Jazz band
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The music is great, but where is the atmosphere?
Summing up, where I stand now is a different plateau to where I was standing 3 years ago. I now DJ Techno, and I love it. So therefore I appreciate my music much more than when I first started. When I first started going out, it was for the drugs and the vibe. Now, in my old age, I am somewhat more fussy. I go for the drugs, the vibe AND the MUSIC.
Dan
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heh heh, nice point candyflip! yeah, *bows down* ur right. The whole "they they they" thing was stupid, specially cos i'm one of them and *gasp* I can probably account getting into the scene by means of drugs. BUT!!! that doesnt mean I dont love the music.
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dan: what do you mean about the jazz club? I have been going to jazz clubs for about 4 years now and never taken drugs, never drank, and I am with the rest of the crowd as well, it is purely for the music. I dont really understand your anology
 
Ok, it was a stupid analogy. I wasn't saying that people at Jazz clubs take drugs. I was just saying that you ain't gonna get a massive, big, excellent vibe if everyone was straight at a rave.
Yeah, that's what I meant. (Had to think about that for a sec...)
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Hey dannyboy ;P
to avoid repetiveness, read up my last few posts man. I say something on just that. The links between music and drugs. If i'm correct it wasn't what u said i said. Eeeeek. That can turn into a u said taht i said that u said that i said that i said that u said that i know that u know that i know that u know that i know that u wanna *blah*. :P
sorry im at uni extremely bored in a software lab.
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-peace-
And i think this thread has drifted somewhat O.T....your thoughts?
 
Maybe it's just me, or maybe I've caught on too slow, but does anyone else think that this could be like a kind of awakening????
Hang on it is a WAKE UP CALL
 
the drugs were made for the scene. it is like watching a 3d movie. without the goggles u cannot go on for the journey.. seretone arguement is if poeple are going to these places because it is the PLACE TO BE or is the place where u can let go and pop a pill could adentvertantly kill the scene. but i think the reliable source that told u is being highly paranoid about there back pocket. dj's at warehouse get paid much more than they do at a club.
attack the kiddies is stupid cause most us where there. it is the older ones that go and try to pop 5 pills in one night and just crap talk to all the friends on how trashed they are...
decimal dan is how i think when he said about the drugs enhance what the music is doing... going straight is nothing compared to be in absolute euphoria. i like to close my eyes hear the music and visualise a fantasia type of world where 303's and 909's tweak and morph into blue and pink elephants standing on a highwire as tall as the eiffle tower.
" imagine if the world was on a trip" X-dream
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i dream of a world
where 303's are free
and 909's grow on trees,
where digital is obsolete
and analouge is new and neat
I dream of timez,
where vocals are acid lines,
and where tone controls on car decks include cuttof and res0 :P
eek howz that for an on da spot, comnpletely off topic, poem !!
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