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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Influenza didn't go anywhere.

The Spanish Flu was a strain that existed thousands of years after influenza first infected humans. It would make more sense to compare COVID to the origins of influenza. In which case, you might argue (had we vaccinated people back then) that the Spanish Flu might not have ever happened.

We vaccinate for numerous things already. Do you think we shouldn't?

Clearly, every country in the world is on board this vaccination thing. People come up with conspiracy theories because they refuse to believe the science.

I believe we can protect ourselves from COVID.

We need to learn how to fight viruses.

I'm pissed off about the Australian vaccine rollout. We're at 10% now? We're the 10th richest country in the world! But, at least I don't know anyone that's dead. If we fucked up last year - like the US did - maybe my grandmother would have died.

The Spanish Flu took a couple of years to kill 2.5% of the population and it did come back some time later. Hemingway described witnessing a man die from the disease.

Hemingway wrote about the worst death he ever saw. It hadn’t been from a bomb or a bullet: “The only natural death I’ve ever seen […] was death from the Spanish influenza. In this you drown in mucus, choking, and how you know the patient is dead is; at the end he shits the bed.”
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birdup.snaildown said:
Influenza didn't go anywhere.

The Spanish Flu was a strain that existed thousands of years after influenza first infected humans. It would make more sense to compare COVID to the origins of influenza. In which case, you might argue (had we vaccinated people back then) that the Spanish Flu might not have ever happened.

We vaccinate for numerous things already. Do you think we shouldn't?

Clearly, every country in the world is on board this vaccination thing. People come up with conspiracy theories because they refuse to believe the science.

I believe we can protect ourselves from COVID.

We need to learn how to fight viruses.

I'm pissed off about the Australian vaccine rollout. We're at 10% now? We're the 10th richest country in the world! But, at least I don't know anyone that's dead. If we fucked up last year - like the US did - maybe my grandmother would have died.

The Spanish Flu took a couple of years to kill 2.5% of the population and it did come back some time later. Hemingway described witnessing a man die from the disease.
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i said the 1918 flu

i didn't just say the flu


and how did the US "fuck up"?

and if it "fucked up", how come my grandmother didn't die from it?

i do know that the lady next door, who didn't go anywhere, insisted on getting the shot, and deteriorated from then on, and i heard today, she's in hospice

they don't look into why she's having organ failure....she's old! she's just dying of old age.....right?
 
@Mr. Krinkle

I know you said the 1918 flu. You're not comparing a strain of influenza to a COVID variant. That's the problem. There is no sensible reason to assume the virus is just going to go away on it's own because a strain of an unrelated virus eventually went away 100 years ago.

how did the US "fuck up"?
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The president said the virus was a hoax then he told people to inject bleach.

Considering the US is one of the wealthiest nations in the world, there were too many deaths during the initial outbreaks. The country (not just Trump) utterly failed to bring those numbers down.

These are the top 10 economies in the world according to GDP per capita.

The USA is dead last in terms of deaths/million. It's not even close.

CountryGDP per capita (USD)
🇱🇺
Luxembourg		$109,602.32
(ranked 40th for COVID deaths)
🇨🇭
Switzerland		$81,867.46
(ranked 41st for COVID deaths)
🇮🇪
Ireland		$79,668.50
(ranked 54th for COVID deaths)
🇳🇴
Norway		$67,988.59
(ranked 133rd for COVID deaths)
🇺🇸
United States		$63,051.40
(ranked 21st for COVID deaths)
🇸🇬
Singapore		$58,483.96
(ranked 198th for COVID deaths)
🇩🇰
Denmark		$58,438.85
(ranked 96th for COVID deaths)
🇮🇸
Iceland		$57,189.03
(ranked 145th for COVID deaths)
🇶🇦
Qatar		$52,751.11
(ranked 118th for COVID deaths)
🇦🇺
Australia		$51,885.47
(ranked 166th for COVID deaths)
 
birdup.snaildown said:
@Mr. Krinkle

I know you said the 1918 flu. You're not comparing a strain of influenza to a COVID variant. That's the problem. There is no sensible reason to assume the virus is just going to go away on it's own because a strain of an unrelated virus eventually went away 100 years ago.



The president said the virus was a hoax then he told people to inject bleach.

Considering the US is one of the wealthiest nations in the world, there were too many deaths during the initial outbreaks. The country (not just Trump) utterly failed to bring those numbers down.

These are the top 10 economies in the world according to GDP per capita.

The USA is dead last in terms of deaths/million. It's not even close.

CountryGDP per capita (USD)
🇱🇺
Luxembourg		$109,602.32
(ranked 40th for COVID deaths)
🇨🇭
Switzerland		$81,867.46
(ranked 41st for COVID deaths)
🇮🇪
Ireland		$79,668.50
(ranked 54th for COVID deaths)
🇳🇴
Norway		$67,988.59
(ranked 133rd for COVID deaths)
🇺🇸
United States		$63,051.40
(ranked 21st for COVID deaths)
🇸🇬
Singapore		$58,483.96
(ranked 198th for COVID deaths)
🇩🇰
Denmark		$58,438.85
(ranked 96th for COVID deaths)
🇮🇸
Iceland		$57,189.03
(ranked 145th for COVID deaths)
🇶🇦
Qatar		$52,751.11
(ranked 118th for COVID deaths)
🇦🇺
Australia		$51,885.47
(ranked 166th for COVID deaths)
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The country didn't "utterly fail"

it's not in our code to tell everybody what to do and lock them down forcefully

we also tested more than anybody else, and counted covid deaths if you died from something else but tested positive

i hope you don't also believe that India is testing anywhere to capacity that the US has....and don't tell me that you believe China's numbers :D

obviously the numbers don't add up because the real numbers will never be known

but we're usually #1... and that just makes you mad because you're locked down for 5 infections country-wide and we're running around maskless like it's pre-pandemania with our cut-off shorts on shootin guns in the air yeehaw merica

:cool:🇺🇲
 
The USA is ranked 31st in terms of tests done per million. The UK is ranked 10th. You might say 31st isn't that bad since the US ranks 21st in deaths/million, but you have to remove all the poor countries to see the real picture.

Australia has done less tests per million because we have less virus. You guys did lots of tests (like the UK) because the outbreak was/is out of control.

the real numbers will never be known
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I understand the argument against lockdown, but it baffles me that you refuse to *ever* believe any data?

The approximate toll of the virus will be known. We need to look at excess deaths and adjust for various factors. This usually takes a couple of years, because there is a delay in reporting... but the early data shows there has been a rise in fatalities in the United States.

jamanetwork.com

Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes in the US, March 2020 to January 2021

This study updates an analysis of US mortality in 2020, including deaths due to COVID-19 as well as all other causes.
jamanetwork.com jamanetwork.com
 
i believe some data

just not a lot of country's reports

we heard the reports of Russia and Iran being rocked but the numbers never matched up

North Korea had zero!
 
birdup.snaildown said:
www.news.com.au

Doctor sums up AstraZeneca risk perfectly

Welcome to Ask Doctor Zac, a weekly column from news.com.au.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au

Well, this is a load of shit.



WTF?
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Ibuprofen increases the risk of heart attack or stroke in people with heart disease or a family history of heart disease – sound familiar? If you won’t take the AstraZeneca vaccine, it’s hypocritical to take Ibuprofen.


it is a load of shit....we're talking about ppl taking ibuprofen since the 60s and 70s and it didn't become an over the counter until the 80s because of it's safety record over 25 years

but this is the bullshit they try to pull out to convince you that you're making a poor choice by holding off on the shots.....to me, that makes me less inclined to believe them and it causes more suspicion....being pushy about it and making these comparisons that just don't really add up aren't helping at all - not to me anyway
 
I will NEVER have an experimental "vaccine" put into my body. And fuck these masks, while I'm on the topic. I'm out of university now, don't plan to fly anywhere for awhile, so I'm good.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Ibuprofen increases the risk of heart attack or stroke in people with heart disease or a family history of heart disease – sound familiar? If you won’t take the AstraZeneca vaccine, it’s hypocritical to take Ibuprofen.


it is a load of shit....we're talking about ppl taking ibuprofen since the 60s and 70s and it didn't become an over the counter until the 80s because of it's safety record over 25 years

but this is the bullshit they try to pull out to convince you that you're making a poor choice by holding off on the shots.....to me, that makes me less inclined to believe them and it causes more suspicion....being pushy about it and making these comparisons that just don't really add up aren't helping at all - not to me anyway
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I see it as more of an honest attempt to save lives, I mean it's pretty hard to deny at this point that this thing has killed a whole lot of people, and some countries are in really bad shape right now (see: India, Brazil). It's wishful thinking to believe that all these people are being falsely reported as covid deaths, when they're burning bodies in the streets in India. And even in America a lot of people have died, and the numbers are far lower now and 99% among unvaccinated (deaths not cases). Of course there have been problems with vaccine side effects in some, and there are risks for sure. But we've basically totally re-opened in America and the daily death count daily is astronomically lower... from a quarter of a million per day over the winter to literally only 31 deaths nationwide yesterday. I personally had 2 family members die from it and know 3 others who died too. One of my family members was young with no underlying conditions, got sick (everyone in the house got it), went on a ventilator because she couldn't breathe, and never came out of it. My aunt (lived in the same house) also died, she was fairly old with diabetes though. But yeah, I support your right to not get vaccinated but it makes total sense to me that they are trying to convince people to get it despite the risks. It has made a huge difference in the impact of the disease in our country. And if everyone decided not to get vaccinated, we'd still be quasi shut down (I say quasi because we never really were very shut down compared to much of the rest of the world - certainly it had a huge impact on small businesses and a lot of peoples' ability to make money though).
 
Sorry about that, but I guess what I'm saying is, be thankful you don't live in, say, Australia. Or much of Europe. We're living much freer here than most other places.
 
Xorkoth said:
Sorry about that, but I guess what I'm saying is, be thankful you don't live in, say, Australia. Or much of Europe. We're living much freer here than most other places.
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That's why you're all gonna die... ;)

(actually, you'd probably all be dead already if Trump was still president)
 
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Xorkoth said:
I see it as more of an honest attempt to save lives, I mean it's pretty hard to deny at this point that this thing has killed a whole lot of people, and some countries are in really bad shape right now (see: India, Brazil). It's wishful thinking to believe that all these people are being falsely reported as covid deaths, when they're burning bodies in the streets in India. And even in America a lot of people have died, and the numbers are far lower now and 99% among unvaccinated (deaths not cases). Of course there have been problems with vaccine side effects in some, and there are risks for sure. But we've basically totally re-opened in America and the daily death count daily is astronomically lower... from a quarter of a million per day over the winter to literally only 31 deaths nationwide yesterday. I personally had 2 family members die from it and know 3 others who died too. One of my family members was young with no underlying conditions, got sick (everyone in the house got it), went on a ventilator because she couldn't breathe, and never came out of it. My aunt (lived in the same house) also died, she was fairly old with diabetes though. But yeah, I support your right to not get vaccinated but it makes total sense to me that they are trying to convince people to get it despite the risks. It has made a huge difference in the impact of the disease in our country. And if everyone decided not to get vaccinated, we'd still be quasi shut down (I say quasi because we never really were very shut down compared to much of the rest of the world - certainly it had a huge impact on small businesses and a lot of peoples' ability to make money though).
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they're not burning bodies in India anymore - they were a couple months ago because they never even really had a wave and that was the big one that we all expected - they have a billion plus population and a ton of poverty and they were the poster child for low infections in December before they exploded

ya know what Brazil and India are saying? "well at least we didn't have it as bad as the US"

so if the 1918 flu, mutated itself into a common flu, couldn't covid do the same thing? there's already 2 subvariants of the delta variant...i do believe it's been said that this will probably end up like the common cold....

all we are saying, is give covid a chance
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
they're not burning bodies in India anymore - they were a couple months ago because they never even really had a wave and that was the big one that we all expected - they have a billion plus population and a ton of poverty and they were the poster child for low infections in December before they exploded

ya know what Brazil and India are saying? "well at least we didn't have it as bad as the US"

so if the 1918 flu, mutated itself into a common flu, couldn't covid do the same thing? there's already 2 subvariants of the delta variant...i do believe it's been said that this will probably end up like the common cold....

all we are saying, is give covid a chance
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Evolutionary pressure suggests that it will eventually mutate into something less harmful and more transmissible. Most likely it's going to be another influenza-like virus moving forward into the future. Especially as the population gains resistance to it over time due to past exposure.

I think it will end up like the flu, not the common cold, but who knows? Either way it's something we'll have to live with. But as of right now it appears to be around 30 times more deadly than the flu. Which means most people are going to be fine still, but it's definitely dangerous for many people and deadly enough that it was correct of us to take precautionary measures. We might have overdone it, I certainly think some world governments have overdone it. But I'd rather have my government being too careful than being careless in a new pandemic. Now that it's not so new, well look, we're re-opened and mostly back to normal. What if 6 months after infection, people had started getting a re-emergence of symptoms that were much deadlier and people who seemed recovered started dropping like flies? it's not unheard of in viruses to have multiple stages separated by time. Chicken pox comes back as shingles as an example (much later, too, decades later). We just didn't know enough so it's better safe than sorry.

PattiSmythe said:
People have lost their minds. We are not all going to die from this thing. It's a total overreaction. We are freer here, but when my accommodation and that of my child comes along with a side of being bullied into an experimental vaccine, it strikes me as fascistic in the extreme. What are the vaccinated so worried about if the shots work...except they don't for this new variant. My immune system has done fine so far.
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I don't think anyone is saying everyone's going to die, at least I'm definitely not. But many millions have died around the world, and millions in the US alone. It's not harmless, I lost family members and so did a lot of people. I'm just saying we were right to take it seriously.
 
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