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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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PattiSmythe said:
People have lost their minds. We are not all going to die from this thing. It's a total overreaction. We are freer here, but when my accommodation and that of my child comes along with a side of being bullied into an experimental vaccine, it strikes me as fascistic in the extreme. What are the vaccinated so worried about if the shots work...except they don't for this new variant. My immune system has done fine so far.
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the worry is that if a significant portion of the global population is not vaccinated then the virus can keep circulating and mutating at a sustained level for an extended period. With more infections (and reinfections) the risk of new mutations in the virus occurring increase - and eventually one of these mutations could be significantly more deadly than current strains - maybe not but is is a possibility.
This virus is already many time more infectious the common flu, so is very good at giving itself lots and lots of chances to change and mutate.

As is being stated the most likely outcome is that humans gain a resistance to it and it just becomes like the flu (but a more deadly version each year).

Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus, hence the mathematical motivation to vaccinate people - it will directly slow down the rate of mutation.
 
I wonder if a virus like MERS (about a 30 to 50% death rate and 70% + rate of serious lifetime breathing complications) ever went global how much higher the vaccination rate would be. I would be willing to bet that as death rate goes up so would the vaccination rate. (BTW MERS is on the radar as a potential virus that could make the jump from Camels to humans and it would be way worst than covid).

Vaccines are the most researched and tested invention of modern medical science with sample sizes larger than any other studies - virtually no medical concept has been proven to have saved more lives. While all vaccines are designed to treat different diseases the underlying methods are very similar vaccines to vaccine and the mechanism by which the body responds to build an immunity is highly similar case to case. The 3 and 4 year review times of vaccines that people are used to getting are extremely extremely conservative to begin with, after 6 months to a year and a few million cases (which we have for all vaccines made the past year for covid) the chance of some unknown major complication / issues we have never experienced before with a vaccine rollout coming up in 2 or 5 years or whatever is extremely extremely low.

dont mean to get political and not trying to start an argument- I know people have diff views. just my two cents.
 
@Mr. Krinkle
the 1918 flu, mutated itself into a common flu
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What?

The flu has existed for thousands of years. It has mutated into all sorts of dangerous strains. The 1918 flu was one of them. You've got it backwards.

@F.U.B.A.R.

I said there is hardly any virus in the country. There is hardly any virus. I'm not sure what I'm missing?
 
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PattiSmythe said:
I've taken it seriously, I've worn masks since the time we were being told not to. These are experimental vaccines, using a technique that is not tried and tested, that have caused heart issues and blood clotting issues, and some fatalities. Covid didn't kill me. I'll take natural immunity, thanks. I'm not fat, I'm not diabetic, and it's my choice what to put into my body. We are sliding into a world which I don't like the look of at all. It's authoritarian and ruled by fear. No thanks. Also offering weed and beer in exchange for vaccines is really shitty.
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Right on, and you're right, and it's normal to be nervous. Especially since you got COVID, it's totally your right not to get vaccinated and I respect your decision. I'm just saying, I think the attempts to convince people to do it are not so sinister, and have good intentions. Like I said, the day they start to forcibly vaccinate people is the day I join you in outrage, that would be very concerning to me. Until then, I think it's appropriate to make efforts to convince people to vaccinate, even if it's annoying. That's all. I'm glad you're taking it seriously, it's a serious consideration that the vaccines do not have any long-term studies, it's a risk for sure.
 
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they're not burning bodies in India anymore - they were a couple months ago because they never even really had a wave and that was the big one that we all expected - they have a billion plus population and a ton of poverty and they were the poster child for low infections in December before they exploded

ya know what Brazil and India are saying? "well at least we didn't have it as bad as the US"

so if the 1918 flu, mutated itself into a common flu, couldn't covid do the same thing? there's already 2 subvariants of the delta variant...i do believe it's been said that this will probably end up like the common cold....

all we are saying, is give covid a chance
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your right on there mate.

what scares me the most is people who get it with only one shot.

now were talking mutation territory not enough immunity response to out right kill it but enough for

it to selectively breed.
 
no they won't

polio measles small pox mumps rubella the list goes on.

which ones did you catch mate.

I can tell straight away that most who think vaccines are bad have really looked only in the social

media for the truth.

hey lets all go play in an iron lung now and have our legs crippled from polio.

you can all think what you want about vaccine but you are the product of years and years

of successful vaccine production.

again if you don't like our science stop getting high of it its hypocritical.

im not saying you have to have the shot (though I am saying you should)

take what you can why don't you only the shit you want and fuck everyone else because

you are so knowledgeable about science.

and the reason I am scared about the first shot is that so many are dragging there feet which is what

is making the chance of infection in this short period of time.

you don't blame the tool you blame the person who is using it (or not in this case)
 
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i am vaccinated and I still wear a mask.

the vaccine does not stop you getting it

yep you a 100% right on that and we will get to watch it on the news happening in the UK I think.

bad move freedom day way too early I think.

and mRNA is not the only vaccine tech you can get for this.
 
what is needed is understanding of how the virus spreads and how effective the vaccines are and

what they can and can not do.

there is so much miss information that honestly I do not blame people for not taking it.

but people who use rc's not taking a vaccine that gets me.

the idea is to stop the push on the hospitals capacity.

so yep you get the vaccine you will still catch it.

but more than likely you will not get very sick.

this then allows the beds for people who didn't get vaccinated as they can not or

did not wish too.

this all hinges on enough people getting vaccinated and idiots like the brits (my mums british so I guess
I fall into that comment too) trying to isolate for a little while longer.

we need to have the world vaccinated really before freedom day.

you could still spread it if your vaccinated you are just reducing the likely hood (by a big margin)

that you will not need hospitalization.

in a way that could save two lives.

yours and the one who needed the bed you took.
 
thats fair enough.

go and get the astra zeneca shot its not mRNA and that will shut them up.

though I can see why they bug you I do not see this as them accepting your right to choose.

ive lived on the street and in shelters before and it can be hard when they wish you do to

something that really they have no right to make you do.

after some troubles that led me to the street I was traveling most of the east coast of australia

first I used shelters but ended up setting up for the street in the end for the same reason your upset.

they just would not leave me alone and wished to force there beliefs in me.

its not just vaccinations that they do this with.

but 100% pushing people in a shelter is probably not the way to go.

educating and giving options is the best way.

I am sure you have had other vaccines in your life why don't they offer the no mRNA one.

seems like a simple solution.
 
ye moderna is mRNA.

I pray you do not get sick and can still look after your child.

best of luck.

I can understand the need to feel in control when you have one too look after and a random number

vs self protection measures sounds like a good way to roll the dice and loose control.

astra zeneca is a traditional based vaccine.

vaccines are half a DNA or an rna as viruses are an rna strand in a protective bubble.

a vaccine that does not deal in some kind of rna is like asking for beef that does not come from cows.

there is a 1% chance of death if you catch this.

there is a 0.002% chance of death from the astra zeneca and a far far far less chance with the

new mRNA variants.

again please be careful we have had enough death over this.
 
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My understanding about it is that the vaccine doesn't eliminate your chances of catching it and spreading it, but it does drastically reduce your chances. If you do get sick you'll get much less sick and in that case you can still spread it, but I was under the impression that it was also far more likely that you would simply immediately fight it off without it even having a chance to establish itself and reproduce in your body.

I've had COVID and both Pfizer shots. I do not still wear a mask, though if I had to take public transit or something else where people were in close quarters and wearing masks, I would because I wouldn't want to make people uncomfortable. But at this point my band is playing indoor shows and I'm not concerned about it.
 
PattiSmythe said:
Urg. See that snide little shitty "I pray you can look after your child", oh so clever comment that is just insulting. Where do people get off with this stuff? So desperate to justify their choice as being the only correct one, basking in "science" and a superiority kick, passive aggressive bullshit
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I was actually worried as shelters are usually the worst hit places.

sorry if my concern was miss placed.

im not playing tit for tat.

you are educated !!

you have done the math and you know your right.

thankyou.
 
it was initially stated that these shots wouldn't stop you from catching or spreading covid - just lower the symptoms and keep you out of the hospital...then they tried to change the tune on that, but now you're seeing all these people still testing positive who've been vaccinated....and i guarantee there's way more but, if it's mild, how many ppl are bothering to even go get tested for just a sore throat? and that goes for the unvaccinated too - not as many ppl still getting tested....so there's cases popping up because it never really went away....

but you ppl would rather just blame it all on the unvaccinated

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