Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Well done! Any side effects?

Absolutely none. In fact, if anything, I felt revitalised for a few days after. Everyone I know who has had the AZ felt shit for several days.

It just goes to show how FUBAR I am. I find most drugs underwhelming these days, but I get a buzz off a fuckin vaccine...

 

[Qingu]

Got my second for 3 weeks ago, but I count as a "at risk group" because of my high blood pressure, so thank you the Doctor who diagnosed me the week before they started phase 3 of the vaccinations program.
Got Pfizer and no adverse effects at all.

 

[S.J.B.]

Just got my second shot. Like with the first shot, it felt like I was in the depths of COVID again for a day. Glad to have it over with!

 

[Jabberwocky]

They just brought forward my second Astra-Zeneca shot from 12 weeks after the first one to 6 weeks thanks to the panic over the Delta variant outbreak in Sydney.

 

[JackARoe]

I am so conflicted. And please I am not troublesome or looking for bad things. I am not a Trump supporter at all and not anti vax at all. Yet every time I say time to get the vaccine I get a strong feeling in my stomach that says No wait it out. Yet if I talk about it with my wife she gets mad and thinks I am implying she did something wrong which I am not. I think vaccines are good science and well documented on what they have helped humans with.

Here is the thing. We take in data as humans. And if I turn off the news the only person I know that died of covid was my 93 year old father in law, whose doctor said his body was shutting down from diabetes and he will be gone soon. Yet he caught covid in the nursing home and it speeded it up for the poor guy. That nursing home made people dress up, shields, gowns, anything you can think of and last Dec covid ravaged that place anyway. Interestingly enough a lot of people over 80 that got it healed. Others died. But honestly talking about this with my father in law I called covid an Angel to take them home and he agreed. I am glad he is not sitting in that boring room anymore. Other than that I know people that got covid and was like a mild cold for them.

My personal vaccine data. My friend's (who's son just died of a stroke at 31) 92 year old mother cooked dinner the night before her vaccine for her son. Two days later after her first vaccine ended up in the hospital and dead a day later. My friend said neither his brother, sister, or doctor would even utter the words it could have been from the vaccine.

My mothers friend, went blind in one eye for a month and her doctor was brave enough to say it was a direct side effect of the vaccine. Her son got the vaccine and felt so bad after it he wished he hadn't taken it and keeps telling me to hold out.

My cousin got the vaccine and caught covid a few weeks later anyway. (ok I can here it now,maybe it would have been worse if she did not have the vaccine but that type of speculation is bullshit.)

Better data, my 88 year old motther and father got the vaccine with no side effects. My wife also was vaccinated yet a week later I had to take her to the hospital for some unknown issue where she was comatose, Not saying it was the vaccine as no real facts but it was weird She was fine after her second shot. The hospital had no answers why she was comotose.

Belief systems are strong with this subject and I get why it is such a hot button issue. I also think we should be patient with each other. Telling my friend whose mother died after the vaccine to "just roll up your sleeve" is insulting and moronic. People have strong feelings and I think we should talk about it and not judge people.

Honestly though people that got vaccinated get mad at me for holding out. As if I think it was wrong which it is not. I am jealeous of the people already vaccinated with no issues. And I wish I could reconcile that strong feeling I have. I am not among crowds right now and basically quarenteening. Playing by the rules. Wearing a mask in stores not being vaccinated.

My goal is to reconcile this feeling and finally get vaccinated. But I have to honor my feeling and people get mad at me which is bullshit. Guilt tripping people saying I don't care about people is a bigger sin. Never guilt trip. A lot of people have a self righteous attitude and found a reason to stand on a pulpit. 911 was the same. I am in NY and if you didn't give blood you did not care about people. Yet I am barred from giving blood as I am a carrier of thalassemia. So I went home and put good vibes other there instead of blood but was still looked at as selfish. Self righteous nonsense.

I admit the conspiracies can be far fetched and almost comical. They are not the reason I am holding off.

So be patient with me, others, and we should all be patient with each other. I have true hesitancy, want to talk about it but find people getting insulted and I don't want that. But fuck yeah I am honoring my strong feeling and feel not myself if I just went to please people. What a friggin PITA this whole thing is. Almost on the same level as forcing people to get an abortion. (ok not that bad but there is a similarity)

 

[Xorkoth]

Belief systems are strong with this subject and I get why it is such a hot button issue. I also think we should be patient with each other. Telling my friend whose mother died after the vaccine to "just roll up your sleeve" is insulting and moronic. People have strong feelings and I think we should talk about it and not judge people.

I totally agree. We should be able to talk about it. It's been turned into a political hot-button issue (like almost everything else). I think everyone should be allowed to make their own decision about it. So far, they are being allowed to make their own decisions, and I don't think that's going to change in America at least.

That's crazy about your wife's mysterious coma, I'm glad she's fine now. And it's true that there are some serious adverse events. Of course there are with COVID, too.

My own personal experience is that my aunt and cousin's girlfriend both died from COVID. Aunt was diabetic but otherwise healthy, cousin's girlfriend was around 45 and had no known underlying issues. My mom's friend also died, and my friend's grandma, but she was 94 so I don't really count that one as evidence of COVID being deadly but it's worth mentioning. I got the vaccine and didn't have a single side effect and I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated who has gotten worse than a few days of flu-like symptoms. But I recognize that it does happen. For me, in people that I know in my life, COVID has been much worse than the vaccine. But almost everyone I know who got COVID was fine (myself included), and everyone I know who got the vaccine has been fine (I don't count feeling sick for a couple of days as a serious reaction).

I was nervous to get vaccinated but I did it because I am in a band and I travel a lot and play in packed venues. I got COVID but evidence has been showing that re-infection is much less likely with the vaccine, and it also protects against variants better than getting COVID, and immunity lasts longer. So I went for it. I do have slight concerns about unexpected long-term consequences but unlike the rhetoric suggests, this thing didn't come from nothing in one year, it was built off of years of development for a SARS vaccine, from the original SARS outbreak. That vaccine never made it to market because SARS isn't very contagious and the threat passed. There still are not widespread long-term human studies on it (how could there be?) but it also didn't get rushed in the manner that many people are claiming, and it is pretty unprecedented for the whole world of medical research to stop what they were doing to focus on one thing. It speaks to what we can accomplish when we have need.

I think we shouldn't be shaming people about it, but I also think the rhetoric against the seriousness of COVID is problematic. It's probably best case scenario for a global pandemic, but it's still much deadlier than the flu and many millions have died and many more have become sick with long-term health problems. In some places, like India, it's much worse than it is in most other places, they're burning bodies in the street over there. I just wish people would take it seriously. I feel lie for so many people it's so black and white. There is a middle ground, it doesn't have to be either "oh my god we're all gonna die I'm going to report my neighbor for not getting the vaccine" or "it's a plandemic, it's just the sniffles, the whole thing is just a plot to strip us of our freedoms". Obviously plenty of people are in the middle and are more reasonable about it, but a whole lot of people are being unrealistic about it, too.

 

[AutoTripper]

I totally agree. We should be able to talk about it. It's been turned into a political hot-button issue (like almost everything else). I think everyone should be allowed to make their own decision about it. So far, they are being allowed to make their own decisions, and I don't think that's going to change in America at least.

That's crazy about your wife's mysterious coma, I'm glad she's fine now. And it's true that there are some serious adverse events. Of course there are with COVID, too.

My own personal experience is that my aunt and cousin's girlfriend both died from COVID. Aunt was diabetic but otherwise healthy, cousin's girlfriend was around 45 and had no known underlying issues. My mom's friend also died, and my friend's grandma, but she was 94 so I don't really count that one as evidence of COVID being deadly but it's worth mentioning. I got the vaccine and didn't have a single side effect and I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated who has gotten worse than a few days of flu-like symptoms. But I recognize that it does happen. For me, in people that I know in my life, COVID has been much worse than the vaccine. But almost everyone I know who got COVID was fine (myself included), and everyone I know who got the vaccine has been fine (I don't count feeling sick for a couple of days as a serious reaction).

I was nervous to get vaccinated but I did it because I am in a band and I travel a lot and play in packed venues. I got COVID but evidence has been showing that re-infection is much less likely with the vaccine, and it also protects against variants better than getting COVID, and immunity lasts longer. So I went for it. I do have slight concerns about unexpected long-term consequences but unlike the rhetoric suggests, this thing didn't come from nothing in one year, it was built off of years of development for a SARS vaccine, from the original SARS outbreak. That vaccine never made it to market because SARS isn't very contagious and the threat passed. There still are not widespread long-term human studies on it (how could there be?) but it also didn't get rushed in the manner that many people are claiming, and it is pretty unprecedented for the whole world of medical research to stop what they were doing to focus on one thing. It speaks to what we can accomplish when we have need.

I think we shouldn't be shaming people about it, but I also think the rhetoric against the seriousness of COVID is problematic. It's probably best case scenario for a global pandemic, but it's still much deadlier than the flu and many millions have died and many more have become sick with long-term health problems. In some places, like India, it's much worse than it is in most other places, they're burning bodies in the street over there. I just wish people would take it seriously. I feel lie for so many people it's so black and white. There is a middle ground, it doesn't have to be either "oh my god we're all gonna die I'm going to report my neighbor for not getting the vaccine" or "it's a plandemic, it's just the sniffles, the whole thing is just a plot to strip us of our freedoms". Obviously plenty of people are in the middle and are more reasonable about it, but a whole lot of people are being unrealistic about it, too.

I don’t think I would ever accuse you personally of being unrealistic.

It just struck me, not towards yourself, a general concept, how being realistic doesn’t necessarily correlate with accurate, not as we often use it. It’s a loose guage, despite Real meaning truth really.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

realistic doesn’t necessarily correlate with accurate

Realistically, the world isn't going to change course. This is the shit pile we live in thanks to COVID. You can either accept it or deny it. I'm having a lot of trouble accepting it, myself, at the moment. It's fucked. The lack of transparency is fucked. The blatant lies. Why do they pretend to know what's going on when clearly they have no idea?

Our longest lockdown was 112 days. We are now in lockdown number 5. There were 19 cases today. That's not a typo. Nineteen.

Some fucker who works in a local bottle shop had a go at me today for not wearing a mask. Fuck him. When I had my vaccination, I assumed things would be different once I got the jab. Then, I realized, I have to wait for other people to have it... and I accepted that, because it isn't my nature to beat myself up about shit I can't change. But, how long do I have to wait?

Has this little cunt that lectured me today had a jab yet?
I seriously fucking doubt it.

Australia has fucked itself by containing the virus so well to begin with. Nobody in this country really witnessed the threat, so we aren't motivated to get the vaccination. Maybe the US wins in the end, because they failed so much to begin with.

Thanks Trump?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I have an autoimmune disease, I really don't react well to a lot of medications (legal ones anyway...), And don't want to make it worse. Plus I just don't trust the vaccines. Not enough data, not fully approved. I'm not a guinea pig. I'm not letting my kid have it either. We wear masks and are careful. I'm not anti vacc just not convinced this one is safe. It's not political with me at all.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@PattiSmythe

I appreciate your situation. I really do. I work with immuno-compromised people. They have to have the jab because healthy people don't want to. That pisses me off, but I see both sides. Nobody should be injected with anything they don't want to be injected with. That's an obvious fundamental rule. Nobody (other than total psychos) disagree with that one, right? So, where does that leave us? We can't lockdown forever.

I'm sympathetic. Are you sympathetic?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I am not risking my health for someone else. My autoimmune disease causes me a lot of I'll health, I've no insurance, and there's no come back if the fucking vaccine makes it worse. So, no, I won't apologize for not risking heart side effects in my kid, and risking my health.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@PattiSmythe

Fair enough.

My country isn't fucked.

 

[Jabberwocky]

What do you mean by that? Which country are you in? We are ALL fucked with covid.

 

[AutoTripper]

What do you mean by that? Which country are you in? We are ALL fucked with covid.

Australia is the good man’s dwelling.

I was only musing @birdup.snaildown on how we sling language phrases around, I’m trying not to incite any angry defiance or stress currently.

I had the full expected readout of all current pathogens 2 days ago, including long Covid still, except previously it was in my nerves.

No trace there now, it was found only in the Liver and bladder- I’ve had major immune deficiency in my urinary tract since 2012.

It’s the same Long Covid, having moved from nerves to liver. No sign of it being in my respiratory system, every new infection automatically fills my lungs.

Adenovirus! Had it 2017. Comes on very flu like, bad respiratory wise.

Was detected. Plus 2 of the (dare I say it) Coxsackie’s, A1 & B4.

And some staphylococcus, the least trouble there.

It was the adenovirus very likely, maybe the others overlapping, cause of the mega severe new lungs infection, now a fraction and falling thankfully.

So I was mistaken to hypothesises that Long Covid is nerve located.

It’s just, long. It can move around. I’ve had it maybe 3.5 months now I believe.

Being in the liver, explains why I’m feeling like shit waking at night, extra hang over feeling,

Liver and liver toxicity is also related to depression and mood.

Substantial nerve damage healing signs though, still a bit to go.

Wiped with exhaustion though. New bed coming, like quicksand one past 3 years.


My homeopath has been monitoring all and every infection for decades. She’s not mainstream, like, we can talk if you get me, lol.

But she thinks Covid is quite a big thing. She sees how variable and severe it can be.

We talk about all these things.

I see my chiropractor next week. I’m poor at organ locations, I’ll ask her to pinpoint my exact liver point, then I will hit it with the electricity.

I just want to avoid the intestines, as it’s akin to powerful natural antibiotics and will not discriminate between good and bad bacteria, .I am taking probiotics and raw sauerkraut but still.

I would honestly be able to clear the Covid in my liver in very short time with this treatment.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@PattiSmythe
Yeah, you make a good point.

@AutoTripper
Australia is fucked.
Fuck Australia.

I don't know any more.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ah I see. An Aussie called me a cunt last week - in person, relative stranger, then wondered why I got angry .. strange bunch.

Fuck it, I owe no one what's left of my health. No one. I survived covid already, and suspect kiddo had it too. They can fuck right off with an experimental vaccine.

I hope you fully recover soon, autotripper. Sounds awful. I had a headache from hell, sense of taste was totally ruined, which hasn't totally resolved, and I got it at the start of the pandemic.

 

[AutoTripper]

Ah I see. An Aussie called me a cunt last week - in person, relative stranger, then wondered why I got angry .. strange bunch.

Fuck it, I owe no one what's left of my health. No one. I survived covid already, and suspect kiddo had it too. They can fuck right off with an experimental vaccine.

I hope you fully recover soon, autotripper. Sounds awful. I had a headache from hell, sense of taste was totally ruined, which hasn't totally resolved, and I got it at the start of the pandemic.

Thanks (man? I hate the whole presuming thing or not, equally bad, until we know, it would be nice to know who is which sex, for sake of manners and general etiquette,

I hate calling a lady man, and I’ll refrain from using “girl” until it’s confirmed.

So yeah cheers. It’s normal run for me. THIS Long Covid will most surely go, it’s on the way out. It was in my nerves, it makes sense it entered the liver in the process of clearing fully from the nerves.

The bladder it’s no actual problem, I’ve had permanent multiple chronic urinary infections since April 2012.

Over the years, almost without exception, it’s typically been 2 concurrent urinary infections- and almost always a virus and a bacteria.

Now, there is 3, the new kid on the block. If not for Covid, it’s otherwise the same old trend.

So outside of course, some yet unseen major event, going by a rare experience of such extensive longterm experience with every type of infection, and measures to combat them all successfully like people literally cannot believe, (understandably, if it was another member with better cred a few heads may look up a little, not making out I’m disregarded or just dismissed, just not great cred with such a wild belief system.)

It’s ensured to go. My hope will be to not be contracting Covid too regularly.

Twice a year is enough. If it’s long Covid you’re talking 6 months though really.

I’m not downplaying the reality of Covid, it’s potential severity and impact, huge variability and unpredictability, and it unquestionable is not the Flu under a new name, or even as “the new guard”.

Flu is still around, I know, just at last more people started becoming conscious of basic hand hygiene.

I’ve long practiced as disciplined hygiene that way as I can. Never cough or sneeze on my hands then touch surfaces.

You can actually catch a sneeze in a particular angular way, so nothing comes out.

OCD call it but it’s rational, I’ve long practice it to simply reduce the inevitable frequency and amount of new infections I have been contracting for so long.

So I will see in time. I get the Coxsackies about 7 or 8 times a year. Long Covid in particular is fighting for top spot with the worst Coxsackie, but hardly a threat to me personally respiratory wise but it’s more than that like any major pathogen, except Flu which is purely lymphatic and respiratory.

The prognosis is actually good. My benzo dependance is my main focus atm, and I’m just as desperate, very different life and region, as birdup to see a better world where life is possible.

I don’t see how I have a chance of healing otherwise and reality from any angle is fuel for panic attack lately.

 

[JackARoe]

Leave it to BL to have a level headed discussion dispite different views. I was nervous typing what I did. But feel better now. Since I do work in my basement and really do not go into crowds right now (except a funeral Monday for a 31 year old son of my friend) so I am not a high risk. I want to watch what happens as sporting and clubs open up. I tend to think a lot of people gathered throughout the whole covid situation anyway. We saw that in the news of parties and things.

I do believe in vaccinations. But I have to work out why I have a giant "NO" deep down in my gut when I say to myself it is time to go. It could just be some beliefs or misguided info I have and the more people I see vaccinated with no issues maybe it will move me closer. But I would feel silly not honoring that feeling so it does have to be worked out. Also I am not going online looking for info. Just taking in info from the people around me.

Thanks for being human all and treating each other as such.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Leave it to BL to have a level headed discussion dispite different views. I was nervous typing what I did. But feel better now. Since I do work in my basement and really do not go into crowds right now (except a funeral Monday for a 31 year old son of my friend) so I am not a high risk. I want to watch what happens as sporting and clubs open up. I tend to think a lot of people gathered throughout the whole covid situation anyway. We saw that in the news of parties and things.

I do believe in vaccinations. But I have to work out why I have a giant "NO" deep down in my gut when I say to myself it is time to go. It could just be some beliefs or misguided info I have and the more people I see vaccinated with no issues maybe it will move me closer. But I would feel silly not honoring that feeling so it does have to be worked out. Also I am not going online looking for info. Just taking in info from the people around me.

Thanks for being human all and treating each other as such.

I'd always encourage people to listen hard to that little voice from deep within, it's usually your intuition and is often correct, imo/ime

You describe the 'little voice' as a "giant" gut-level feeling - I'm not at all sure that anyone 'should' try to talk you out of what it's 'saying' - having said that I'd invite you to keep engaging with that voice/feeling...questioning it's validity...wondering about it's source...all the fucking noise around the virus/vaccine/... well it certainly isn't conducive to clear thought, no fucking wonder everyone's confused/anxious about the whole shebang.

There's a massive grey area between the polar extremes of thinking about the whole issue which is a very uncomfortable place to inhabit, but undoubtedly where something close to 'the truth' will reside.

Shit's complex - very fucking complex. No it's not a fucking plandemic - yes authoritarian authority has seized the moment to push on with their shite (of course). I don't have the energy to post much on the topic but @Xorkoth 's posts on the topic are very close to my own feeling.

I've had the jabs. Some of my close circle have not.

I also had as little voice...a very uncomfortable feeling of "nah, fuck this" concerning the vaccine right up to seconds before they stuck it in my arm.

Why did I go ahead. I suck the whole shebang onto my internal scales and the weight came down on the side of vaccination - gotta remember that was due to my whole situation... self awareness / society issues / work issues / family issues / financial issues / previous medical history / present physical and mental health etc etc until infinity really and...of course everyone has different shit to put on their own 'scales' so the outcome will be different

So yeah, decision has to be individual and would be good for us all to respect that.

One massive thing though - although ime listening to that inner voice is usually the way forward - we need to be aware what that little voice is, if we are to defer to it. Is it intuition? Is it fear? Is it hope? Is it a mix....

Gotta remember some deep primal fears, subconscious for most, will have been triggered by the whole situation (fear of death/extinction/ authority/destitution/media/autonomy...etc)...and becoming aware of how our intuition could be affected by that (over anxious of the virus/the vaccine/both maybe)

So yeah, complex - glad you're engaging however and wish you luck

 

[Jabberwocky]

Thanks (man? I hate the whole presuming thing or not, equally bad, until we know, it would be nice to know who is which sex, for sake of manners and general etiquette,

I hate calling a lady man, and I’ll refrain from using “girl” until it’s confirmed.

So yeah cheers. It’s normal run for me. THIS Long Covid will most surely go, it’s on the way out. It was in my nerves, it makes sense it entered the liver in the process of clearing fully from the nerves.

The bladder it’s no actual problem, I’ve had permanent multiple chronic urinary infections since April 2012.

Over the years, almost without exception, it’s typically been 2 concurrent urinary infections- and almost always a virus and a bacteria.

Now, there is 3, the new kid on the block. If not for Covid, it’s otherwise the same old trend.

So outside of course, some yet unseen major event, going by a rare experience of such extensive longterm experience with every type of infection, and measures to combat them all successfully like people literally cannot believe, (understandably, if it was another member with better cred a few heads may look up a little, not making out I’m disregarded or just dismissed, just not great cred with such a wild belief system.)

It’s ensured to go. My hope will be to not be contracting Covid too regularly.

Twice a year is enough. If it’s long Covid you’re talking 6 months though really.

I’m not downplaying the reality of Covid, it’s potential severity and impact, huge variability and unpredictability, and it unquestionable is not the Flu under a new name, or even as “the new guard”.

Flu is still around, I know, just at last more people started becoming conscious of basic hand hygiene.

I’ve long practiced as disciplined hygiene that way as I can. Never cough or sneeze on my hands then touch surfaces.

You can actually catch a sneeze in a particular angular way, so nothing comes out.

OCD call it but it’s rational, I’ve long practice it to simply reduce the inevitable frequency and amount of new infections I have been contracting for so long.

So I will see in time. I get the Coxsackies about 7 or 8 times a year. Long Covid in particular is fighting for top spot with the worst Coxsackie, but hardly a threat to me personally respiratory wise but it’s more than that like any major pathogen, except Flu which is purely lymphatic and respiratory.

The prognosis is actually good. My benzo dependance is my main focus atm, and I’m just as desperate, very different life and region, as birdup to see a better world where life is possible.

I don’t see how I have a chance of healing otherwise and reality from any angle is fuel for panic attack lately.

Woman. Lesbian, not particularly feminine. Get well soon, auto, you sound like it really messed with you. I got lucky, my sense of taste was affected, it didn't totally go, but everything tasted of salt! Then I could taste what I smelt, so no perfume etc...now it's just slightly deadened but there. I'm more prone to headaches, but ok.