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The big ethical question: should I give my grandma ecstasy?

sheepie said:
Hey guys!

My grandma's always really really stressed. Ever since my grandfather died she's always said how she misses him and she's always just holding on to the fabric of life. She seems to have a bunch of anxiety and stuff.

She's getting really old and she's probably going to die in the coming years.

What do you think? Should I give her ecstasy (pure MDMA. not cut with speed)?
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Should you give her MDMA = NO, NEVER simply give somebody any drug.

Should you explain to her your experiences with the drug, should you explain the feelings, the thoughts, the risks, the mechanics of the drugs and how you feel that you think it could help her come to terms with the loss of your granpa. (Bearing in mind they have been around and together longer than you have been born so you cant even imagine what they have been through, so you cant even imagine what her feeling for him or her loss is. = Yes.

MDMA isnt a cure
 
I would say that the drug that is most likely to help your grandmother is about .5g-.75g of mushrooms, ground up and brewed into a tea with honey and lemon. That should provide a pleasant, mild lift from ordinary consciousness, without "tripping her out" or giving her any kind of overt psychedelic effects. She'll have a bit of a vacation from being unhappy and anxious all the time, and maybe she'll look at things with renewed optimism. It also won't last long enough to get exhausting. In terms of duration, intensity, and nature of effect, I think a low dose of mushroom tea would probably be your best bet.

If she responds well to that, maybe you could try 60mg of MDMA or so after a while, but I wouldn't use any more than that, and honestly I'd expect her to just do the same thing again after a couple months, if anything.

Also, listen to what Bearlove is saying in the above post. I hope that what he has to say is assumed. Have detailed and in-depth discussions with your grandmother about this before anyone makes any decisions.
 
Pans I’m sorry but you are simply wrong – do you know this person, do you know what this person is going through, her physical or mental condition = NO.

You can not say, ( x, y or z ) drug will make her feel better.

IMHO – Time and the support of her family will make her feel better.

MDMA / Shrooms / DMT / Ketamine / Heroin / Foxy / LSD – will all make her feel different about the situation but ‘Better’ neither you or I can say.

The mistake that too many people make is they know how a drug reacts/works with them so they automatically thing that its going to work the same way with another person. The simple fact of the matter is, it doesn’t – the same drug effects different people in different ways (especially psych’s).
 
Bearlove, the thing is that psilocybin in particular has been the result of a couple successful scientific studies that specifically examine whether or not it is a positive influence on situations very similar to this one. Its effect at low doses is pretty consistent, too. When the psychoactivity of a drug dose is as low as the amount of psilocybin in half a gram of mushrooms, I don't think it's unreasonable to have specific expectations.

That said, I don't think it's at all reasonable to say that this WILL help for certain ... but I do think it's a good bet that if the OP's grandmother informs herself about the facts behind the medical and therapeutic uses of this substance, and decides that it sounds like it's a good idea for her to try it, that she could benefit from using it.

The intention to cooperate with a treatment in order to get better is the most important part, as with any treatment. There aren't any switches that will go on or off in her head automatically. But I think it's been pretty conclusively shown that in situations like this, psilocybin stands a good chance of improving things. Here's a reference: http://www.psychedelics.com/psilocybe/psilocybin.html
 
I can't believe all of the close minded people in here. I see nothing wrong with anyone making an informed choice, regardless of their age (and unless I missed it, we don't even know this person's age). Just because someone is older that doesn't make drugs inherently more dangerous for them, they need to take the same precautions that everyone else does and they need to make their decision based on any physical or mental conditions that they have.

If she has an interest and is in good health, and learns about the drug and what it does and then is still interested, I say go for it. Augusta's post regarding certain precautions such as musical, attire, lighting preferences...etc is spot on.

Sasha Shulgin (and his wife Ann!) aren't young people, and they both have indulged and iirc they continue to indulge.

Drugs are exclusively for young people, there is no magical cut off number if a person is informed and in good health.

Jeeze louise.
 
MDMA has those same studies. You can find a few examples over at maps.org for both psylocyin and MDMA. While psychedelics and MDMA have been proven to treat end-of-life anxiety and other similar situations (especially given proper set and setting), it's simply not appropriate to think one or the other will do a better job. That's trying to quantify subjective experience.

Patricia. “A Series of Letters on MDMA and Cancer.” maps.org. Multidisciplinary Association
for Psychedelic Studies. 1999. Web. 30 November 2009.
Sue. “Speaking the Silence: MDMA in a Couple Dealing with Cancer.” maps.org.
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. 1997. Web. 30 November 2009.
 
I wouldn't. Ecstasy can enable things to go wrong in the body that normally wouldn't, such as heart failure, kidney failure, brain aneurysms, etc. The older you are, the more likely these kinds of things can happen. I imagine your intentions are good, but it might be too much for her old body to handle.
 
^^^ this is why I'm thinking a small amount of psilocybin would be a better option ... there are fewer counterindications to its use.
 
It's pretty normal to feel depressed after you've lost somebody who's been part of your life for the last 40 50 years. It's a matter of finding the will to rebuild your life.
MDMA might be cathartic in the sense that she might be able to talk about things frankly that she feels for whatever reason are not appropriate for others to here. It might also help feel more at peace with herself and accepting of the situation.
The touch of joy and pleasure in mere existence that can come through in the mdma experience could be very beneficial. Even so your grandmother will need somebody to talk to and to hold while the roll lasts.
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