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The big ethical question: should I give my grandma ecstasy?

You talk about her seeming really depressed... if thats the case mdma is not the way to go, it may be fun while it lasts but if shes depressed it'll just make that worse during and after the come-down, it could very well just make things worse, not better.

Has she tried going to a doctor or therapist and working through the depression issues or getting on anti-depressants?
 
Weed doesn't have much therapeutic value when it comes to end-of-life anxiety. Unlike MDMA. Have you seen Ecstasy Rising?

I don't just want her to get high lol I want her to live the rest of her life happy it seems that MDMA is good at that for people nearly dying.

I have not but still, this is just a dumb idea. And the whole anxiety thing can probably be solved without drugs. Like others said spend more time with her, or whatever.

Also, how would you even get her to take mdma?
 
I have to admit, the title of your post made me laugh a bit. I think you have nothing but the best intentions, however that might not produce the best results.
 
Well if she agrees to doing it , I can see nothing wrong .

I think everyone whos going to die soon should try MDMA . You might as well eh . Youre going to die anyways
 
yes and put on some trance music, get her to dance, video tape it, and send it in to america's funniest home videos.

you will win $10,000.
 
Speaking as a grandfather who regularly uses mdma my thoughts are as follows:

The mdma experience is just as beneficial / enjoyable for older people as for the young.

Re health you should ascertain whether grandma has no serious heart conditions and that her liver and kidneys are okay.

She should of course be aware and willing to try the drug.

You should start her off on a half dose. I would suggest about 50 to 60 mg.
You can always give her a litttle more if everything is okay after about an hour.
Don't forget that women are more affected by the drug than men. Unless she is a very big lady I would think that a dose of 100 mg would be about the max she could enjoy.

What concerns me more is what she could do during the roll. She too will feel luvved up and long to reach out and touch people. For her the ideal would be to roll with one or two people who are close to her own age.
She might like to listen to music, but she might prefer to hear music that she is already familiar with rather than house, techno or urban.

Lights, would you put on candles or arrange some special lights?

Would you put out cushions, so she could lie down if she felt like it.

What would she wear? Something loose and easy would perhaps be best.

Have you thought that she might want to touch herself or be sexual in some way. How would you deal with that?

And finally are you prepared to hear the things she might confide in you?

In other words I think that getting your Grandma to roll is a great idea, but that you should find somebody else to supervise the first roll.

Awesome post Augusta. Thanks.

I would add to this that it would be very important to ensure she gets educated so give her plenty of reading material from our Directory and places such as The DEA and Erowid.

I also would stress the importance of knowing she is fit and well and her heart is plenty strong along with as Augusta said her liver and kidneys.

Do not lie to her about anything and encourage her to ask questions. I would even go as far as to have her join here.

In regards to the lady on Ecstasy Rising its important to understand that her use was done in the company of proffessionals with the intent of working through her problems.

Finally i would like to emphasise what fizzle has said here because its also an important thing to consider.




You talk about her seeming really depressed... if thats the case mdma is not the way to go, it may be fun while it lasts but if shes depressed it'll just make that worse during and after the come-down, it could very well just make things worse, not better.

Has she tried going to a doctor or therapist and working through the depression issues or getting on anti-depressants?
 
Weed doesn't have much therapeutic value when it comes to end-of-life anxiety. Unlike MDMA. Have you seen Ecstasy Rising?

I don't just want her to get high lol I want her to live the rest of her life happy it seems that MDMA is good at that for people nearly dying.

I hate to say it, but s/he's right. MDMA is a proven method for easing end-of-life anxiety. I did my college thesis on the medical benefit of MDMA. You really shouldn't do this based on the social expectations and values of western society, but my only problem is you can't prove it's clean and probably don't know how to properly administer a low dose needed for therapeutic benefit (around 40 - 60mgs). Everything else has probably been mentioned (I know MazDan and augusta mentioned checking her heart condition. Either way, you are my fucking hero. This post was epic.
 
It's not up to Bluelight to decide if it's right, it's not up to you to decide if it's right, it's up to your grandma. If you really want to do her a favor, bring up the idea, and provide her with a start for some research. It's up to her to decide what is or is not right for herself. If she comes to an educated conclusion that she wants to try it, and goes into it with an intelligent dose and with the intent to work through the issue (not just roll balls because she's going to die soon) it could very well help. Yes, there are some health issues to take into consideration, but everyone should take their own personal health risks into consideration when trying a drug, not just grandmas and grandpas; just because they are older doesn't mean they shouldn't take it, and just because you (we) are young doesn't mean we should take it.

Each case much be judged individually, with great attention being paid to every variable, not just age. If she's healthy and hardy with a good heart, and has done the research and spent the time preparing herself, then more power to her. If she does the research and decides its not for her, more power to her.
 
The euphoria and empathy that one gets from what is actually pure MDMA is something that I think everyone deserves to feel at least once. I would not want to die knowing there was something out there that when administered safely will produce the best 6 hours of your life with little to no risk. The problem is, like someone else said, unless you watched the chemist who synthesized said MDMA, you have no idea how pure/what it truly is. You do not want to be taken the chance on giving Grandma some BZP/TFMPP, Mephedrone, Methylone, etc... that you are not sure how she will react to.

However, I think you only have the best intentions, but it is important that IF you choose to go through with this, check on her medical conditions, particularly heart/liver/kidneys. Make sure she is both prepared and willing for the experience. If you are going to do it with her, I would strongly suggest having another supervisor as well.
 
I would personally prefer to take mdma rather than shrooms. Psychedelics can be pretty intense and very difficult to control. Anyway be careful sheepie, whatever you decide.
 
augustaB: thanks for contributing so much useful info! I've been trying to work up the courage to ask my parents if they want to try MDMA with me. I'm not sure if it will ever happen, (I'm faced with limited opportunity since they live so far away) but it's good to know people can keep using in moderation and still function alright as they become older. Please keep posting and happy rolling! <3
 
this is fuckin stupid this thread should be closed........f.y.i this whole topic is lame and overall skeevy and wierd
 
if you're really going to give your grandma drugs don't give her a stimulant. Maybe give her shrooms or LSD and perhaps that will help her come to terms with the death of her husband
 
if you're really going to give your grandma drugs don't give her a stimulant. Maybe give her shrooms or LSD and perhaps that will help her come to terms with the death of her husband

Or she will have a REALLY bad trip and have a heart attack.

if you must give her a VERY low dose of MDMA were talkin like 30-40mg tops....be with her the whole trip, guide her and keep her safe.

but i think yer trollin
 
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