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The big ethical question: should I give my grandma ecstasy?

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Hey guys!

My grandma's always really really stressed. Ever since my grandfather died she's always said how she misses him and she's always just holding on to the fabric of life. She seems to have a bunch of anxiety and stuff.

She's getting really old and she's probably going to die in the coming years.

What do you think? Should I give her ecstasy (pure MDMA. not cut with speed)?
 
No. You are not a Doctor, and is certainly not an appropriate course of treatment for a woman of her age. Also, you don't know it's pure unless you're working right alongside the chemist that made it. I doubt you know how to purify it, and if you did, do not do it.
 
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! this post made me laugh hAhahah!!! dude shes like wwhat 60 or older thats crazy even if it was pure it would prob knock her out i dont recomend it atleast you looked into it :D
 
Shes old and its dangerous to give her MDMA. IT can kill her.
 
Shes old and its dangerous to give her MDMA. IT can kill her.

You're right. The way I see it: she either lives the rest of her life in anxiety or takes a small risk of dying to possibly have the most amazing time of her life.
 
in theroy it doesnt sound a bad idea apart from the high chance of her dying from it. imo taking drugs can be stressful even on the young an fit so on someone more elderly i would think the risks are greatly increased.

i too have had a similar idea of giving it to my rents in small doses to help them open up an maybe resolve there issues but i never really thought i wold do it, far too risky especially as my old man has had heart trouble a few years back.
 
this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

Give her weed or something, not fucking mdma.

Weed doesn't have much therapeutic value when it comes to end-of-life anxiety. Unlike MDMA. Have you seen Ecstasy Rising?

I don't just want her to get high lol I want her to live the rest of her life happy it seems that MDMA is good at that for people nearly dying.
 
Have you thought about what you would do if she thinks of something depressing while rolling?
I've gone from having a great night, to being ultra depressed just by thinking about a (at the time) recent breakup
worst night of my life.
 
Really dude? There are better ways to help your grandmother. Spend more time with her. Take her to some places she has never seen before. You have NO idea how she may react to MDMA, and how fucking terrible would you feel if something happened to her and your family found out it was because YOU gave her MDMA?

Also just because the girl from "Ecstasy Rising" benefited from MDMA doesn't mean your Grandmother will. Different people, different circumstance. I understand that you want to help her but she has gotten this far in her life without mind altering drugs. It should probably stay that way.

I highly discourage this But if you must... Please keep us informed.

The way I see it: she either lives the rest of her life in anxiety or takes a small risk of dying to possibly have the most amazing time of her life.

Also I am pretty sure the risk of dying from any drug, gets larger as we get older. So keep that in mind bud.
 
Speaking as a grandfather who regularly uses mdma my thoughts are as follows:

The mdma experience is just as beneficial / enjoyable for older people as for the young.

Re health you should ascertain whether grandma has no serious heart conditions and that her liver and kidneys are okay.

She should of course be aware and willing to try the drug.

You should start her off on a half dose. I would suggest about 50 to 60 mg.
You can always give her a litttle more if everything is okay after about an hour.
Don't forget that women are more affected by the drug than men. Unless she is a very big lady I would think that a dose of 100 mg would be about the max she could enjoy.

What concerns me more is what she could do during the roll. She too will feel luvved up and long to reach out and touch people. For her the ideal would be to roll with one or two people who are close to her own age.
She might like to listen to music, but she might prefer to hear music that she is already familiar with rather than house, techno or urban.

Lights, would you put on candles or arrange some special lights?

Would you put out cushions, so she could lie down if she felt like it.

What would she wear? Something loose and easy would perhaps be best.

Have you thought that she might want to touch herself or be sexual in some way. How would you deal with that?

And finally are you prepared to hear the things she might confide in you?

In other words I think that getting your Grandma to roll is a great idea, but that you should find somebody else to supervise the first roll.
 
IMO this sounds dangerous as fuck. you really dont want to go to jail for killing ur grandmother with mdma right?

im sure there would be a better alternative. plenty of other drugs can help with anxiety. maybe psychedelics are something to consider? they have a lot less of a toll on the body and heart. ive heard of them being very helpful for people with terminal illness too.

or if shes down and understands the risks i suppose its fine... but i really wouldnt recommend it.
ok though admittedly if it was a very low dose it could be pretty helpful probably- but theres just too many variables.
 
First of all- I don;t think ANYONE on here has the authority or knowledge to tell you it's going to kill her- or help her, for that matter. I think you need to find out what information you can on the risks of MDMA- just as someone who is 20 can have health contraindications that make using MDMA dangerous, someone who is 70 may have none. I see plenty of obese people rolling, I see plenty of people with severe heart problems rolling, I see plenty of people with seretonin problems (personal friends) rolling....so just assuming her age makes it unhealthy is simply a pre-judgement. I think it should be her decision, and she should inform herself as best she can.
 
Speaking as a grandfather who regularly uses mdma my thoughts are as follows:

The mdma experience is just as beneficial / enjoyable for older people as for the young.

Re health you should ascertain whether grandma has no serious heart conditions and that her liver and kidneys are okay.

She should of course be aware and willing to try the drug.

You should start her off on a half dose. I would suggest about 50 to 60 mg.
You can always give her a litttle more if everything is okay after about an hour.
Don't forget that women are more affected by the drug than men. Unless she is a very big lady I would think that a dose of 100 mg would be about the max she could enjoy.

What concerns me more is what she could do during the roll. She too will feel luvved up and long to reach out and touch people. For her the ideal would be to roll with one or two people who are close to her own age.
She might like to listen to music, but she might prefer to hear music that she is already familiar with rather than house, techno or urban.

Lights, would you put on candles or arrange some special lights?

Would you put out cushions, so she could lie down if she felt like it.

What would she wear? Something loose and easy would perhaps be best.

Have you thought that she might want to touch herself or be sexual in some way. How would you deal with that?

And finally are you prepared to hear the things she might confide in you?

In other words I think that getting your Grandma to roll is a great idea, but that you should find somebody else to supervise the first roll.

Great post, AugustaB! :) You put out some excellent questions for the OP to think through before discussing MDMA with his grandmother. And I totally agree on the recommended dosage: assuming she's in pretty good health, 50-60mg sounds about right for a first time.

OP, I think it's great that you're so empathetic and care about your grandmother's emotional quality of life. If she decides that rolling isn't for her, I hope you two can spend some time together doing stuff that she's maybe not had the chance to try yet. Or stuff that she didn't do during her marriage because healthy relationships involve compromise.

I bet she'd be really open to new experiences. If she's open-minded and intellectually lively, she'll welcome trying new things and meeting new people, especially people who are passionate about life.

My grandmother developed a love for baseball at around 70 or 75. She'd worked her ass off her whole life and never had the opportunity to do stuff like that. (And her family is really sexist. Baseball games are FOR MEN. ONLY. PERIOD.) So my mother sure as hell wasn't going to give up a few hours to sit in the bleachers at the Oakland Coliseum, doing something that was totally boring to her. (That's my mom. It's all about her.)

So, at like, 75 y.o., my grandma took the train to the stadium by herself and checked out a game. Chilling in the bleachers with the loud mouths, my favorite section too. She had a great time. As soon as I found out, we started going to games. This was a totally new experience for her (and me) and we went to games all the way up until her last year: 90. Those are by far the best times I've ever spent with any of my family.

So even if rolling doesn't work out, go out and experience some new things with her. I bet you'll both enjoy yourselves.

If you do roll, I just wanted to emphasize one of the things AugustaB said: be prepared to have some intense personal conversations. Grandparents were just as crazy as we are, maybe more so, because society was a lot freer in some ways.

I understand why BLers can tend to be ageist sometimes. 40 seemed pretty damned old to me when I was 22. It doesn't seem so old now that I'm here. But a lot of older people, say, 60 or so, can be a lot healthier than younger people.

At a certain point you realize that you can't just fuck around and rely on your youth to get you through the day after a hardcore night. So you start taking better care of yourself. Don't assume that every 60 year old you see is ready to keel over if you blow at him. There's a great clip on YouTube of this 85 year old guy (ex-Marine maybe?) beating the shit out of a 20-something thief, using the sweet science. He fucking destroyed the guy.

Personally, I'm pretty motivated to live as healthy as possible so that I can still roll and trip at 65 and beyond. One of the good things about aging is that a lot of the crazy-making emotional shit fades with time. You get better at dealing with it and you stop caring so much about minor bullshit. So less baggage to take on your trip.
 
In the case of her not being healthy enough for MDMA, which she may or may not be, you could consider psychedelic mushrooms. They've been used in studies and I believe they have use for treating end of life depression, MAPS has done some research in the area I believe, and mushrooms don't pose any physical health risks that I know of, although more research should be done before you try it of course. If she's physically healthy I don't see what the harm in her rolling would be, I don't see how it'd just kill her because she's old, so long as she isn't unhealthy, especially in the heart, liver and kidneys. Have you talked to her about MDMA before?

It's not unethical to give a healthy, consenting person a drug that they want and that could help them and doesn't pose a serious health risk.
 
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