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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy Tryptamine Injection Thread

psood0nym has extensive experience with IMing 4-subbed tryps, IIRC, I'll PM him and ask him to drop into this thread.
 
Limitbreaker - Sounds intense! Definitely something i'd consider if all reports are as good as what you've said, lol

Vader - Much appreciated!
 
Not sure. It was only 4-HO-MET and Methoxetamine that I had injected. I don't plan to inject anything for now, though, if you want - I can try it for you. I have a sterile alcohol solution of 2C-P somewhere around, the solution being 1mg/1ml, so if someone can give me a way to evaporate alcohol in a fast manner (so to lower chance of contamination) and add some sterile water then, I'd do it at weekend.

Though, the 4-HO-MET times were really awesome. I remember night of 20th of July as one of the most fun ones, heh.

Advantage for i.m. above i.v. is that it doesn't get too intense too fast. As far as I know, taking out the needle after i.v. (the effects should already kick in by that time) can be really a terrifying experience, and it's not good for your heart, either. If I had more trustworthy suppliers of 4-substituted tryptamines I think i.m. would be my no1 ROA. Even if it's not, it's my favourite when I can use it.
 
Actually, some tryptamines taken orally are a total waste. The classic example is DMT.

I injected various tryptamines (including 4-HO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, and 4-HO-MET) not only intramuscularly but also intravenously. What are the pro's? The faster come-up and peak, less substances needed. The con's? Well, I guess all that come with intramuscular injection. The proper technique is actually harder to learn than i.v.'ing for some people, you must know sites you can inject because injecting at a wrong part of your body may result in damaging some big artery and you don't want that because e.g. the artery near the median cubital vein isn't so big that you cannot stanch bleeding and the artery in your thigh is much bigger and deeper so puncturing it (it may happen if you inject into the inner part of your thigh - YOU NEVER INJECT THERE) may simply mean a trip to the hospital not to lose your leg in the worst scenario.

I agree that phenethylamines are a different thing and they actually irritate blood vessels walls when you inject a concentrated solution so I wouldn't advise injecting them intramuscularly either.
 
Limit - It won't be necessary, i'm only looking to IM tryptamines really, not phens. But hey, feel free to do it in the same of science! :D

Adder - Thanks, much help. How was the 4-aco-dmt when IM'd if you've done it (if you can remember)? That's the chem i'd be doing if i do get round to it. Are there any good online guides to IM'ing for beginners that you know of?
 
The proper technique is actually harder to learn than i.v.'ing for some people.
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I suppose it is, but I never got to know how is that possible. All one needs to do is to keep pushing, and you've got 2 hands for it.

In fact, for about 7 total i.v. injections I've succeed only once, and I'm not even sure about that. Considering that I'm a thin person and my veins are so visible, it's kind of... Sad. Never got the technique right, my hands always shaking. While i.m.-ing, I am so cold blooded that I hardly move :D Proffessionalist!

Enough of offtopic. Concerning the IM:Oral strenght-per-mg ratio, for tryptamines about 1:2 while for 2C PEAs it's somewhere between 1:3 to 1:4, from my friend's experience. He has tried some 2C-xs.

Of course, it's more intense. I am not sure if this is ROA dependent or it's just my placebo, but I feel more like guided while tripping than needing to guide my trip if using i.m. ROA. You know what I mean?
 
I think most of the major benefits have been covered already. I agree with what's been said regarding oral to IM dosage ratios and safety concerns (tissue damage, risk of infection, etc.). Of the 5-HT psychedelics, I've IMd aMT, 4-ho-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MiPT, MET, 4-ho-MPT, DPT, DET, DMT, 2C-E, 2C-P, TMA-6, DOM, 25-C, and 25-I (yeesh, that seems like a lot when I type it all out).

The ones that benefit most from IMing are probably those of long duration and come up time. IMing lets me get to sleep at a reasonable hour by shortening the amount of time I need to commit, conserves material, and allows me to plateau fast enough that there's still a chance to IM more if I'm not where I want to be in terms of intensity. I also always know that I got all of the dose I took, with no worrying about some dripping down my throat like with insufflation. One drawback that hasn't been mentioned yet is the increased intensity of onset. It can be pretty harrowing, especially with phenethylamines. At the same time, though, the faster onset seems to leave me in a qualitatively superior space when I level off compared to oral dosing for most psychedelics. This may simply be my own unusual experience. I think most would regard an anxiety laden super fast onset as setting the stage for a bad trip.

Nov3:IMing 4-AcO-DMT is much like you'd expect from what's been said in this thread (plateau in about 20 minutes, shorter duration). 10 - 14 mgs is a pretty solid trip for most.

I dug up an old short account of mine from when I IMd 4-AcO-DMT in a theater bathroom before going to see Inland Empire:
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David Lynch’s film “Inland Empire” finally came to my city, and I met it there with 12mg of 4-AcO-DMT loaded in a syringe…

Lynch’s film is a monster lurking in the shadows of a Narnian wardrobe, a world of overlapping fabrics, strange connections made in the dark, and holes in silk, burned through with cigarettes. A world I have always wanted to swim in since I was a child reveling in the terror-charged wonder of nightmares.

“Inland Empire” is a kind of Dadaist meta-film and to say the 4-AcO-DMT added a few layers to the beautiful, self-referential absurdity would be an immense understatement. The theater became an extension of the film, with the creaks of the seats of patrons, unaware and uneasy, becoming the strain of the building itself trying to contain this wild thing from gnashing its way out of the screen. Intermittently the entrance doors would open, allowing phantasmagoric shimmers of light into the darkness as unknown figures quietly shuffled in and out. And my mind was just one more screen, one scattered across these many worlds, letting in dark figures and shimmering light from the cracks at the periphery of my vision. In the film the characters become detached from time and place. Likewise my mind seemed temporally extended, aware of my how my past was influencing my perceptions and how these haunting images would become slotted for reappearance in the future of my dreams.

The experience and the film were in turn, profound, grotesque, beautiful, hilarious, discordant, and disturbing. Strangely, the disconnected, dream-like images were responsible for the film’s greatest sense of realism. There was something of truth in tumbling through the wardrobe, awash in the plurality of its textures and its shifting threads, something about the depth of an image and the illimitable moment. They are like a puzzle whose completed picture is that of yet another puzzle whose pieces are skillfully hewn together in conflict with their forms, yet the exquisitely fragmentary image produced is a fuller representation of its subject’s reality than the one demanded by objective coherence.



*Thanks for the PM, Vader. I'm glad you liked that old report of mine.
 
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^Thank you for the report mate, it's a work of art. I didn't attribute it to you in this thread because I saw that you submitted it to Erowid under a different pseudonym (geddit? :D), and didn't want to be presumptuous.
 
Thanks for all the posts guys, really helpful!

I think i probably will go for the IM when the time is right. Just wondering, do you know any decent guides on IM'ing on the net, or could you give me any pointers?

Also, what would be the best thing to dissolve 4-aco-dmt in? Is distilled water ok, or will i need to use an alcohol?
 
IM is a wonderful ROA for many psychedelics, IMO.
Tryptamine wise I've IM'd DMT, DPT, 4-AcO-DMT.
I really enjoy the increased intensity and short come-up time. They come on in just a couple minutes and, as psoodonym said, you reach peak within 20 minutes.
For some substances the come-up is the most uncomfortable part of a trip for me, so IM really shortens that 'uncomfortable' part and I really enjoy the intensity in which the substance comes on.

As for pointers for IMing something, I'd recommend a 25 gauge needle, anywhere from 5/8" to 1". I usually use 1mL of water for each injection. Bacteriostatic water is preferable, but honestly, distilled water will be probably be okay. Don't use alcohol as your solution, it'd probably not feel so great. I'd also recommend getting .2 micron syringe filters to get any particulates out of your solution. You can find them on ebay or amazon.
I always inject into the deltoid (shoulder). Find a fleshy spot and go to it. When you get the needle all the way in, pull back on the plunger to make sure you are not in an artery or blood vessel, otherwise you may be in for quite a ride. Administer the injection slowly, over the course of say, 20-30 seconds.
Any other questions, feel free to ask.
 
tee hee almost everyone (save for a conspicuously absent former moderator ;) ) I could expect to respond zealously in regards to IM'ing tryptamines has already said what's needed to be said! And damn Psood, somehow that Inland Empire report evaded my gaze until now. F'cking fantastic!

But yeah, most trypts are made for IM use. Just pay attention to technique, Adder raises some important points. And be prepared for a little more nausea on the come up, especially if trypts make your belly ache already.

But man oh man.....once you start mixing tryptamines and dissociatives in the same barrel you will be hot on the storming heaven parade.

I prefer un subbed tryptamines by this ROA for some reason. 4-subbing is still great but tends to lend itself to oral usage better in my admittedly skewed little world. :D

Cheers
 
I can also add that the usual comeup anxiety is mostly gone. For me, at least. Very, very good thing.

If injecting into your thigh, be sure to read some guides about the best place on the thigh to inject. It's really easy. Obviously, swap the thigh every other time (I hope you're not tripping very often then...).

I'll give you some tips about thigh (and only thigh) injecting, besides the guides you can find on internet. Firstly, never forget the aspiration. Secondly, if you're not fat, it may not be needed to go in very deep (like me). Thirdly, the needle being ~35-40mm, don't inject further so that you have about 1cm of the needle outside of the muscle. If, god forbid, something happens and your needle breaks, you can always use that 1cm of needle to get it out of your precious muscle.

Always inject at 90 degrees.

Sit comfortably. The leg you're injecting into, the angle on the top of your knee, between the thigh and your calf, should be 135 degrees. That way the leg is the most relaxed.

If you get any muscle spasms (mostly during going down with the needle or putting it out), do NOT be scared. It can happen even few times during single injection, and it may not happen at all.

If you're using the safest thigh spot, it's unlikely to hit the nerve. I've never did, though, I need to get to know more about this.

That's all I think. If you don't understand some of the sentences I said, please say. I'm lil high now. I'll answer any questions tomorrow.
 
I have IM'd DPT, 5-MEO-DMT, and 2c-E. I plan on doing 4-ho-met soon. After the first time I injected DPT I realized I'm never going back to snorting DPT, it's so fucking foul. And the trip man, the trip just slams into you. My favorite combo is mixing up a shot of MXE with DPT, you're in space in 3 minutes.
 
Muscles you may inject into are: vastus lateralis (the outer side of thigh), gluteus maximus (your buttock but you've got to know what you do here!), biceps brachii (speaks for itself), deltoid muscle (this is the muscle closest to your arm, it's quite big, it's also on your back but if you're not experienced with i.m. injecting it's best to avoid it, vaccines are injected into this muscle), and if you work out, triceps brachii should be big enough.

Needles used for i.m. injections are 0.6mm to 0.8mm (the thicker ones are for oily solutions; needles also vary by length, e.g. there exist two variants of 0.6mm needles), and syringes used for i.m. injections can be 2ml, 5ml, or even 10ml (they're bigger so it's maybe more comfortable to hold them at the beginning but both 2ml and 5ml syringes have additional space for aspiration - pulling back the plunger to check for blood presence).

1. Firstly, you need to clean the spot, you may use salicylic alcohol or isopropanol spray, when you're about to give a wipe to the spot with a swab, do it just ONCE and in ONE direction, otherwise it'll be like wiping the spot with a swab bacteria are on.
2. Relax your muscles. Use your index finger and your thumb to tighten the skin around the spot.
3. Aim always at 90 degrees. When you hit the spot, you will feel puncturing your skin of course, then you should feel you punctured deeper skin, and then it's muscle (I'm talking about your thigh now, because in other spots, it's not felt that good). You should aim and hit fast.
4. Once you're in, slowly pull back the plunger (this is called "aspiration") to see if you didn't hit a vein by chance; if there's blood, pull out the needle and exchange it. If you aspirate no fluid or gas, you're in the muscle and you may slowly start pushing the plunger. You should feel when you're doing it too fast.
5. When you're done, pull out the needle and let your fingers, this should lessen any bleeding from small veins you probably won't be able to miss.
6. Apply some pressure to the spot with a swab with something like salicylic alcohol on it.

What happens during an i.m. injection is the solution you inject creates something like a spherical space from where the water is absorbed by your body into the muscle. Muscles have a lot of water in them, that's why the water solution is taken up so fast. Anyway, it's important that you don't inject more solution than you may inject in various muscles to avoid abscesses.

http://nursing.goo-done.com/t1362-topic
This is what I've just found looking for some pictures showing the part of the buttock you should aim at. Scroll down and you will see the spots for i.m. injection and how to do it. There are a lot of sites giving advice how to perform an i.m. injection. You may also want to visit http://www.drugs.com/cg/how-to-give-an-intramuscular-injection.html, I guess it's described how to do an i.m. injection simply in plain words.

- Vastus lateralis (located on the outer side of thigh): the spot you want to aim for is the middle third of the outer side of your thigh
Maximum volume that can be injected into: 5 ml

- Dorsogluteal muscles (it's gluteus maximus actually, upper outer sides of your buttocks): Divide your buttock into 4 parts like there was a cross on it, then again divide the upper outer quadrant the same way - the spot you want to aim at is the upper outer quadrant after the 2nd division; if you try to inject e.g. in the middle of your buttock, you may hit a big artery, the very same artery you might hit, trying to hit the inner side of thigh
Maximum volume that can be injected into: 5 ml

- Biceps brachii: if you tense your biceps, you will see where it is located, then relax your muscles, and aim in the middle but avoid spots you see small veins are located under the skin
Maximum volume that can be injected into: 3 ml

- Deltoid: again tense your muscles to see your deltoid exactly, the spot you want to aim at is like you stood at attention and you see this muscle when you turn your head left or right by 90 degrees
Maximum volume that can be injected into: 3 ml

- Tricepsi brachii: back of your arm, this muscle is longitudinal, behind the biceps; but if you're skinny, then you would have to really know your body to know how deep to go in, if you work out, the muscle should be quite big; the spot you want to aim at is the upper part
Maximum volume that can be injected into: 3 ml

- Trapezius: these are located on both sides on your upper back but due to the location of them, you want to avoid them

You should be able to find the map of human body with muscles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle. Then you can just google various muscles names. Also, there's a good technique to stop bleeding right away after pulling out the needle, it's called "Z-track" but I'm just falling asleep in front of my laptop. You should definitely find info on it on the net.
 
Nov3 said:
I was reading a bit in the 'MET' thread and came across posts saying that 4-AcO and 4-HO tryptamines are IM'able.

I have a fair amount of experiance with psychedelics (various trypt's and phen's) and was wondering if anyone here has had experience IM'ing (preferably 4 substituted) tryptamines?

Just wondering about the pro's and con's really. I have 0 experiance with injecting, but i've been curious to try IM'ing Ket and now i've found out some Trypt's are IM'able i'd be curious in trying that too. (4-AcO-DMT imparticular)

So yeah, experiances, pro's and con's, is it worth it?
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I've IM'ed 4homet and 5meomipt. It's just like IM'ing any other drug, it hits fast and hard, and you need a way smaller dose than other ROA's. But be careful, you might take too big dose and freak out. i IM'ed too much 5meomipt my first time with it and it was extremely intense, i vomited probably within a minute of feeling the first effects (which is usually like 2-5 minutes after injecting, because of the big dose it was probably around 2 minutes this time). After i vomited i was fine though, but very very stimulated and uncomfortable obviously because it's 5meomipt.
 
deadich said:
I've IM'ed 4homet and 5meomipt. It's just like IM'ing any other drug, it hits fast and hard, and you need a way smaller dose than other ROA's. But be careful, you might take too big dose and freak out. i IM'ed too much 5meomipt my first time with it and it was extremely intense, i vomited probably within a minute of feeling the first effects (which is usually like 2-5 minutes after injecting, because of the big dose it was probably around 2 minutes this time). After i vomited i was fine though, but very very stimulated and uncomfortable obviously because it's 5meomipt.
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Yeah, that's what happened when I IM'ed DPT and 5-MEO-DMT. So much puking, Dose low if you plan on doing a 5-meo tryptamine.
 
The good thing about throwing up when you inject a certain compound is the fact you don't throw up the consumed compound. ;) Well, after all nausea here doesn't have to come from bad reaction to a drug from body but also various 5-HT receptors activation.

I've got a pretty much sensitive stomach. Actually, the only class of drugs that never caused any nausea or vomiting in me are opioids (the only time I remember I puked was when I took a neuroleptic after shooting up heroin, stupid idea but I never threw up after any opioid alone or after an opioid + ketamine/cocaine...). With i.v. injection I even once threw up after injecting methcathinone HCl - I don't know why, my guess is I injected it too fast/the solution wasn't diluted enough and besides I didn't eat anything that day.

I've had problems after consuming mushrooms with psylocybin and psylocin, I yapped uncontrollably, one of the worst vomiting in my life. I've also experienced nausea after oral consumption of some psychedelic PEAs (2C-E and 2C-P were quite heavy for me) and some tryptamines active orally that resulted in vomiting a few hours into the trip. After some PEAs (4-halogenated, 4-alkylthio) I've felt nausea but never thrown up. Now after injecting 2C-E, 2C-P, DMT, DET, DPT, 4-HO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, 5-MeO-DPT, 5-MeO-DiPT intravenously I did feel nausea and it was probably even stronger than after p.o. ROA (in case of the drugs I also took orally) but it was much shorter and went away and I didn't throw up.
 
adder said:
The good thing about throwing up when you inject a certain compound is the fact you don't throw up the consumed compound. ;)
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Yupp, but if u OD then it could be a bad thing because the body cannot get rid of it. Imagine how many more deaths that would have been if shooting alcohol would have been popular for example. Vomiting up the alcohol have probably saved a very large amount of lives.
 
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