The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[iom]

I guess it'd be good to start around there, 20mg.

This for 200? I know 200 is pretty weak, but this might still be way too much for someone with low tolerance. Best to start with a very very small amount, wait 30 minutes or so, then double it if necessary. Using this process, one should waste no more than a single dose worth in the process of titration (I love math).

 

[fractal fountain]

The dude asked for a 'strong' dose. I gave him one.

 

[Thanatos]

Yeah man, I smoke nugs and hash all day every day so I need a strong dose to get going. I've pretty much maxes out my cannabinoind tolerence so 20-30 is probably not that much.

 

[TokinDerrick]

I'm guessing he's talking about it recently becoming illegal in states.

 

[His Name Is Frank]

Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky and Georgia so far. More to come in the next year for sure.

 

[Chaos Butterfly]

shifting from Homeless to PD

(PD mods, I can't remember who won the fight for JWH threads... you guys or CD or either?)

 

[Fwoosh]

I much prefer to see the states banning these materials instead of huge emergency scheduling type maneuvers by the federal government.

 

[Xorkoth]

PD, not CD. The rationale being that the PD crowd is more into discussing all the research chemicals and, well, researching them.

 

[deano88]

What the hell is this stuff and whats it supposed to do?

 

[fryingsquirrel]

What the hell is this stuff and whats it supposed to do?

It's a synthetic cannabinoid. It gets you stoned. How well is the yet unanswered question of this thread.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

I have recently seen my jwh-018 vendor add jwh-019, but it is quite expensive, and I cant find out much info about it.

Judging from the increase in price, i am assuming it is active at even lower dosages than 018, but that is purely speculation.

I will be monitoring this thread to see if anyone comes back with some solid info.

 

[Solipsis]

Merging with general synth. cannabinoid thread.

Remember: use the 'search this thread' function and general search function to come up with information about a specific compound.

 

[Thanatos]

Yep, it's illegal in August 28. But hey only scheduled K2, a d what I'm guessing is jwh-018. The legislative language is very unclear. Sure to be taken to court soon...

 

[Jesusgreen]

For those of you who've tried the lesser known JWH-081 (not 018), was it worth buying/smoking - better/equal with 073/018?

I've only smoked 073, I thought it was equal to weed, even duration-wise - though I was tripping at the time so that might have influenced it. If 081 is similar I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm not sure whether to get it or not when I could get something I know and like instead.

Any opinions? I can't find many reports and searching this thread and the whole of BL turned up very little.

 

[Help?!?!]

I'm excited to try JWH-210.

 

[greenmeanies]

jesusgreen: i think 081 is definitely worth it when compared to and combined with 018. it provides a very different high, like the difference between heavy indica and heady sativa.

 

[tablehead]

Yeah, that is definitely a consideration. I am not taking heroic doses of opiates, just enough to help with pain from Crohns, but it is a consideration.

I havnt really been smoking weed....Maybe I should see how I handle that first.

How would you compare 73 by itself to weed?

I dunno if you got an answer yet, I got lazy and didnt read all 28 pages....

It says on wiki and a few other sources that 018 made mice more sensitive to opiates. I'm guessing it will make your opiates feel stronger but wont be a negative effect.

The only time I tried 018 I was on a moderate dose of heroin (smoked) and met someone randomly who smoked me out with it. I can say that I had some very nice effects but also some panicky ones but that could have been due to other factors like me not being in a safe area. I Tripped out hard tho. I hadn't smoked weed in 2 weeks and only smoked one bowl between 3 people. My arms were super far away, I felt real funny.

I then got paranoid and ran off somewhere into the fields near where I was and started NODDING hard. It was like an opiate nod (was not nodding before hand) in that I was having micro dreams and closing my eyes and spacing out, but I was fully visualizing these dreams more like hallucinations. I'm not sure if I can attribute it just to 018 or if it was the H and 018.

 

[Jesusgreen]

jesusgreen: i think 081 is definitely worth it when compared to and combined with 018. it provides a very different high, like the difference between heavy indica and heady sativa.

Thanks for the reply. As I've only tried -073 myself, and you said one was like an indica and one sativa - which of the two is 081 more like? I enjoy both but it'd be interesting to know.

 

[greenmeanies]

i have never tried 073 but from what i've read it seems to just be a milder version of 018 (less potent but similar body/head high ratios?)

i would say that 018 has more of the 'medicinal' qualities of cannabinoid agonists, including analgesia, drowsiness, munchies, etc (all the things that THC is being used for in cancer/pain patients)... all of these things I feel are heavily 'indica'-focused

while 081 feels more euphoric, speedy, heady high like a sativa-dominant strain. hence they combine nicely to form a well-rounded cannabis replacement.

both cause significant red-eye and cotton mouth, and both still have potential to cause anxiety in acute overdose (vaporizing 5mg to a non-tolerant person)

i feel that the ratio of side-effects to positive effects is very poor with vaporization. Before I start feeling high at all, i notice that my eyes are burning red. On the other hand, oral administration is very smooth. One hour after consumption, the euphoria and body buzz begin to creep in with only slight hints of cotton mouth.

Also, the one thing that makes me REALLY want to smoke real aromatic trees is the act of chasing JWH on tinfoil. It just feels wrong and tastes like shit and i want to clean my mouth out with some sweet sweet herb. When eating a JWH brownie on the other hand, I can get a high that feels remarkably similar to good weed brownie without the psychological temptation of smoking (compulsive redosing)

I am also very curious about 019. Since 073 is butyl, 018 is pentyl, and 019 is hexyl, will the potency of 019 be drastically higher than 018 (as seen in the 073 -> 018 comparison) or drastically reduced? (as seen in the MBDB -> Methyl-K comparison from pihkal). What about the heptyl homologue? What about the 081 (methoxylated napthyl) analog of the hexyl compound? So many flavors, so little time!

 

[fractal fountain]

We generally take to the 073 because the 018 has a LOT of anxiety associated with it. With 073, we get a nice mellow high, but without the waves of 'fear' freaking you out. That's an important distinction to make between 018 and most other jwh's.