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The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

Which synthetic cannabinoid do you like or prefer?

  • JWH-018

    Votes: 89 50.0%
  • JWH-073

    Votes: 30 16.9%
  • JWH-133

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • JWH-200

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • JWH-250

    Votes: 28 15.7%
  • CP-47,497

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • CP-55,940

    Votes: 8 4.5%
  • HU-210

    Votes: 5 2.8%
  • HU-211

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • WIN 55,212-2

    Votes: 7 3.9%
  • AM-2201

    Votes: 5 2.8%

  • Total voters
    178
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I have experienced a feeling of pressure and "lightness" on my head from this substance, like a light headache but more slight. Though, I am uncertain whether it was because I was dehydrated or the compound.

How long did this feeling for you last?

From my experience, it lasted the entire evening until I went to bed. ???
 
I have also experienced a very mild headache too from this compound, now that I think back. Not sure if this is significant to deem a side effect, but I ain't prone to headaches.
 
I have no personal experience with -250, but are you taking it orally, smoking it or using some other ROA? At least with -018 and -073, unpleasant side effects seem to be much worse smoked than oral, although the enjoyable effects are also more intense that way.
 
It's not alot really considering an average cannabinoid tolerence. It's only about 1/3 - 1/4 potency of JWH-018 and has a very short peak of less than one hour. So smoking through 30grams+ in 3-4 hours wouldn't be uncommon I believe.

Anyhow a dose for an average person would be anywhere from 3-10mg.
 
organicshroom, you're missing a "milli" in there...


And yeah, the stuff has an incredibly obnoxiously short duration. It's almost a chore to stay high (atleast ime smoking out of meth pipe - maybe if you had a better way to vaporize lots of it fast).

Regarding sideffects, i havn't noticed anything like that, just an unimpressive, short high, that turned unpleasant if you smoked only a bit too much.

Was so frustrating, i always ended up smoking weed when i experimented with using JWH-250 in place of weed.
 
meh, iv been smoking weed everyday for the last 4 years, every fri sat sun in middle school. sure its psychedelic LIKE but the actual actions are missing, I think it's more along the lines of just a sedative you can think/causes hyper active thinking. I mean, you look stoned but your mind is racing.

It's MUCH more psychedelic if you only smoke occasionally. You build up tolerance to the more psychedelic compounds in weed (like THC) faster than the sedating ones. That's why stoners are always "stoned" and just out of it, while newbies may get too high. It becomes more indica-like the more you smoke it and looses the sativa "high". If you smoke out of a vaporizer it's easier to get the psychedelic feelings. But it's EXACTLY like you said: too much of the indica-stoney-feeling and it glazes over the psychedelic effects making everything much duller.

That's my weed theory 101.

Anyways, if synthetics don't build tolerance in the way actual weed does, then they should remain just as psychedelic but lose potency. It's effects should vary more based on what you're smoking.
 
Pot is not a 5-HT2 agonist, just as ketamine and S. divinorum are not. But all of them are defintely mind expanding substances. To deny that pot is a mind-expanding substance is to ignore the everything about its history and why it is such an important plant. Those that smoke pot every day may not experience intense mind-expanding effects because you are habituated to it...using pot in ever setting and that becomes your normal state, not a novel one.

I think people tend to be a little short sighted in trying to classify the effects of drugs. People look at the effects of drugs on the basis of what receptors they directly stimulate....That is short sighted because in a living organism that is just the first domino. A chemical or mixture that does not directly fit into that lock may affect any number of chemical and biological cycles that indirectly stimulate those receptors, including 5HT2.

A chemical which does not stimulate 5HT2 directly can still be psychedelic in the truest sense of the word.
 
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I see there isn't much info on anything but 018 and 073 here. My buddy Desmond has been smoking synthetic cannabioids in lieu of ganja for the last 6 or so months. He read the last 5-6 pages and had some things he wanted me to post.

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He says he had some anxiety at first, but it was no worse than when he was smoking grass. He started with 1mg doses and quickly averaged around 3-4 mg per dose. The only times he got "the fear" he was trying to eyeball the powder. Use a scale! After using it for a couple weeks, it actually seemed to get even more enjoyable. With a decent tolerance one can bump the doses up a bit to around 6-8mg. He often made himself a "blend" of 018 and 073 infused on mullein leaf and crushed indian warrior buds. It was strong so only ~.3g was needed. I think he said it was 20mg 018 and 40mg 073 to a gram of mullein leaf. This was his "daily smoke" for weeks with no ill effects. One night he found what he described as a "hot spot" in the blend. He smoked his usual .3 and instantly knew he was in for a hell of a ride. At this point he had been using 018 and 073 for months and was familiar with pretty high doses of them but this was far beyond anything he expected. He was having actual OEV's. Colors and depth were way out of whack, as were sounds. Objects took on a very liquid appearance bending and rippling. The mind-fuck was on par with the of the peak of a 4 hit acid trip. Desmond is no stranger to psychedelics, he has taken thousands of doses of LSD (often 5-10 or more at a time), had hundreds of mushroom trips, many DMT trips and has smoked ganja daily for over 15 years. He insists this was one of the craziest psychedelic experiences he ever had. He has no idea how many mg he got from that bong hit, but he has smoked 15-20 and not got results anything like that!

He saw someone asking about opiates and JWH compounds and said he wanted to add that he has used JWH 018 081 and 073 in conjunction with pod tea and said it was great other than the constipation from the pods...

073 on it's own is quite nice and a lot less psychedelic than 018. It seems to be a pretty heady high not as "deep" mentally as 018 but still quite nice in it's own right. Probably the best place to start if you are worried about anxiety issues.

081 is pretty nice too. At first he thought it was the most cannabis like on it's own. After a couple days of using it he said he couldn't feel much of anything at all when it was used on it's own. In combination with 018 and 073 however it definitely added something special. It is very hard to describe what it adds, but it is a very nice reefer-like combo! Typical dose was 8-10mg.

If Deasmond was first experimenting with JWH's again he says he'd get 073 and 081 and mix them 1:1. That having been said, he really likes 018 best and it seems to be the most cost effective too. If he had the money he would always use 018 073 081 combo but after a couple hours of switching back to just 018 he was perfectly content with that.

Desmond just sent for his first order of jwh 200 and can't find much of anything about it. Does anyfirst hand experience with that material?
 
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I have not tried any of them yet. I found someone who sells it for a very good price that I will not specify in accordance with the rules, buts its significantly better than what is generally seen. I was thinking about making my own blend but the gf doesnt want me to do it in the house so I need a partner.

I was thinking 73 would be better for me due to the anxiety issue, but here is the thing....I tend to get more anxiety on INDICA than sativa. Sativa is admittedly more stimulating, but I always felt less 'in control' on Indica than Sativa despite having more of a depressant effect. Its the sativas that give me mood elevation and help me get stuff done and dont usually give too much anxiety in small doses....also I like the euphoria.

Now that I am hearing that 73 is more heady, is it more like Indica? Do you think its a heavier stone and more likely to make me feel bogged down and confused? I kind of like the uplifting and more psychdelic weed, but I am not sure how that translates to the synthetics.

I kind of wish there was more info on 200, 250, 81, ect. I was thinking about getting some of each but I am not entirely sure I want to be a guinea pig.
 
I kind of like the uplifting and more psychdelic weed, but I am not sure how that translates to the synthetics.

You should love 073 then. It's a really gorgeous floaty cerebral high that is much more like a sativa than an indica.

018 on the other hand I find quite indica-like in that it's more of a body high with less mind fuck. I've also found 018 significantly more anxiogenic than 073 (although that could simply be because doses for 018 are lower, and thereby easier to overshoot).

Bottom line is, if you appreciate a fine sativa I don't think you can go wrong with JWH-073.
 
Most use 18 because its the cheapest and most bang for the sellers buck....the mark up is just stupid. They could easily make a profit selling the others but they dont.

The exception would be the ones sold in Europe in countries where 18 has become illegal.
 
Most use 18 because its the cheapest and most bang for the sellers buck...

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to back this claim up that "most" smoking blends use JWH-018? Or evidence that certain specific brands do?
 
I could easily provide a very long list of brands that contain JWH-18, and would probably have a harder time finding a list of those that contain other JWH varieties.

Globally it might no longer be the case in Europe as laws have been made against 18 and others are used to replace it, but in my anecdotal experience after doing considerable research when I was thinking about ordering some, I came across a whole lot who say they contain JWH-18 and few if any that talk about containing 73 or 200 or 250 or 81 or the HUxxxx which is illegal or that other one with numbers that is even more potent but is an actual drug with an expired patent.


I didnt actually sit there and make a proper graph or document my research, but JWH-18 is all over the place, and if people are using 73 or 200 they certainly are not talking about it as much.



Am I allowed to name brands here? I can in fact prove that many are using JWH-18.
 
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