The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[greenmeanies]

as an almost-daily bowlsmoker (but not a daily bluntsmoker-- don't have that kind of cash), i can say that jwh-018 easily satisfies the end-of-day craving for a bowl.

pros for me:
1. doesn't smell like weed, can smoke anywhere anytime
2. quick high, can smoke and be sober enough to drive in a couple hours
3. extreme munchies and desire to play video games
4. cheap as fuck

cons for me:
1. doesn't smell like weed, makes me really crave a stanky nug
2. quick high, makes me want more just a couple hours after smoking it
3. somewhat more difficult to smoke as a powder, compared to bowls or joints.
4. it seems you must hold the vapor in longer than cannabis for optimal effect
5. accentuated negative aspects of the high like heart racing and sweaty palms

i tried infusing some mullein leaf with jwh for my own 'spice' but i didn't like the herbal smoke at all. tasted crappy and harsh, the joint didn't burn hot enough to vaporize the jwh, and couldn't hold it in for the time that jwh requires.

i've heard of people trying to use those "nicotine vapor" e-cigs for jwh, but from what i understand they don't actually use heat to vaporize, instead working like a fog machine to create tiny droplets of glycerin that contain dissolved nicotine. and i don't think jwh is soluble in glycerin. that would be the most ideal delivery system for jwh imo...

 

[HighonLife]

never ordered pure offline

just smoked K2s

 

[kayenta]

How similar is it to actual good cannabis?

It's most similar to a decent indica strain - very pleasant (but different) body feeling, stress relief and mood lift, not too much of a mindfuck.

As a sativa lover I find it enjoyable but slightly lacking.

 

[Delsyd]

I have some JWH-018 coming. I haven't smoked weed in a couple years and now I get drug tested so I can't risk it being in my system. With synthetics it is really appealing since they don't show up on tests. How similar is it to actual good cannabis?

as with all drug (and even strains of cannabis itself) there are differences.

But you will find it is alot like good ol maryjane.

and be careful with the dosing of 018. Its the most potent and also most anxiety inducing.
Get some 073 to throw in the mix.

 

[icen]

Hello!

some vendor gave me this structure but doesn't know which JWH is this, and is it JWH ??
please check attached photo maybe someone knows what kind of jwh is it ??

 

[Coolio]

That looks like a cross between JWH-018 and AM-694. However, it's missing the iodine on the benzoyl functional group at the top of the diagram (AM-694 is 2-iodobenzoyl, this is just a benzoyl group) so it can't be AM-694. It's got a benzoyl instead of naphthoyl group, and has been flourinated, so it can't be JWH-018 either.

1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(1-benzoyl)indole would be the name of this one I think.

 

[Delsyd]

can someone commpare the effects of jwh-200 and 250 to either 018 or 073.
And what are the dosages like for 200 and 250

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

can someone commpare the effects of jwh-200 and 250 to either 018 or 073.
And what are the dosages like for 200 and 250

JWH-200 did nothing at all for me on its own, regardless of the dosage. Unless I combined it with -018 or -073, I could not feel the effects. Could have been my source, but I doubt it, their purity level with -018 and -073 is superb; so my guess is it has to be JWH-200 itself.

-250 supposedly is the middle-ground between 018 and 073, they say the dosages however are supposed to be much larger (for both -200 and -250) like 10x the size of -018 and like 5x -073. Although, I have no personal experience with -250, I'm hoping it's nothing like -200, because I put some massive piles (like dime sized even) of it and could not get it to do anything (again on its own, but as soon as you mix it with a little -073/-018 for some reason it works - like it needs a carrier or something) Also, my -200 tasted like burnt bacon, it was terrible... instant cough as soon as you inhale.

 

[TheAzo]

Doses of JWH-250 are higher, but i certainly wouldnt say by 10x that of JWH-018. A couple times? yeah.

I found it to be very different from weed (and also distinctly different from JWH-018). It is very much a head high, but to an extent that it doesn't feel much like weed, and isn't really as fun. There's something really missing with JWH-250. I'm going to try pushing the dose higher to see if it's got redeeming qualities if you smoke a lot of it, maybe this weekend, and if that fails, this stuff gets shelved as worthless....

JWH-200 is on the menu for later this week too, i'll report back.

I'm trying to come to a decision on whether any of the JWH's are worth it. So far i'm not impressed.

 

[bunkiie]

not worth it IMO

go 4 the ganja. all will be well. it's taken 3 months for me to be able to smoke weed comfortably again.

Ban JWH

it's a conspiracy from the powers of human control to try to fuck up everyones cannabinoid receptors lol.

Maybe, but pass. I love my weed

 

[strangedays_indeed]

hmmm thats not good ^. im sorry to hear that. my opinion/stance venturing into synthetic cannabinoids was to experiment, but ive found that jwh-018 is much more uncomfortable than awesome in high doses, yet still added a nice component to my highs, have to find the right dose.

peace

 

[TheAzo]

Yeah an OD on JWH-018 is said to be horribly unpleasant. JWH-018 in general seems more prone to cause anxiety than any other cannabinoid.

I've heard people describe visual effects from large doses of JWH-250 and 200. So might as well give that a try. At least the shit is short enough that you'll feel normal again in under an hour (the short duration is probably my biggest complaint about JWH-xxx)

not worth it IMO

go 4 the ganja. all will be well. it's taken 3 months for me to be able to smoke weed comfortably again.

Ban JWH

it's a conspiracy from the powers of human control to try to fuck up everyones cannabinoid receptors lol.

Maybe, but pass. I love my weed

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with it.
Could you share what happened? I'm guessing too much JWH-018 -> panic attack and thereafter every time you smoked weed that panicy feeling came back?

Many people find the JWH's to be at least acceptable... though not as good as weed.

 

[kayenta]

What colour should pure JWH-073 be?

I have some in front of me that's a kind of sandy yellowish-pink colour, I'm assuming it's quite impure.

 

[Coolio]

It should be off-white, greyish?

 

[kayenta]

Why the question mark? You're the expert!

Very off-white sounds about right, I just assumed it should be white like 018.

 

[icen]

I was wondering about potency of AM-694.

The CB1 binding Ki is 0.08nM while JWH-018 has 2,9nM on CB1. So does it mean than AM-694 is about 36 times stronger?, dose must be 36 times lower? to reach same effect ??? or this is not right way to calculate ??

Thanx

 

[Coolio]

You're on the right track; however, CB1 agonism isn't the only gauge for psychoactivity. AM-694 and JWH-018 may also not be near each other in terms of bioavailability; the nM figure is concentration of ligand at the receptor, and not the dose ingested. AM-694 might be 36 times stronger once it reaches the receptors but it might not actually reach the receptors nearly as well as JWH-018 does.

 

[organicshroom]

Just tired JWH-250 at 10mg inhaled.

Very intense clean head stoned but quite short lasting peak <1 hour, by an hour and half I was straight again.

Overall enjoyed the high, little paranoia, not relaxing like THC but rather I could be quite active on it. Certainly different to JWH-018, but I can't quite put my finger on where its different.

Also note I did felt a little nauesa after it wore off, not sure why this would be.

 

[greenmeanies]

rebound nausea? i know that for me with plain weed at least, i can get the "anti-munchies" the day after i smoke a bunch.

 

[bunkiie]

hmmm thats not good ^. im sorry to hear that. my opinion/stance venturing into synthetic cannabinoids was to experiment, but ive found that jwh-018 is much more uncomfortable than awesome in high doses, yet still added a nice component to my highs, have to find the right dose.

peace

I thank heavens its over. I was having panic attacks from just smoking, not from the bud, but from feeling like if I let myself go too far, maybe whatever receptors the jwh clung to, that it would make those active and start that massive anxiety. Which it would. And then prevent me from feeling my MEDS. All substances can be rationalized to be "ok" to the users who use them. Doesn't mean you're getting through without harm.

Cannabis brings well-being. Well-being should nottt be associated with anxiety. Whence they are... Well you can see the common character/personality trends of people who use the synths. It's not a very stable, happy seeming one. Weed should bring people together, not turn them into paranoid, ignorant, selfish, and moreish creatures who become slaves to a powder. I love weed. So so so so much. This stuff just makes me bummed out. Even the people on here who advocate it seem emotionally and spiritually unsound.. People. Fucking stop lol. Buy sum damn buds! It's not that much more money! What's all this blend garbage? Is that not the most unintelligent scheme anyone has come up with for drugs yet? Goddamn buy some and throw it on your salad.

Cannabis is EVOLUTION. This stuff is NOTTTTTTTTTTT. It's like watching tv and eating funyuns with no brain on compared to reading a book which's writing continuously fills your mind throughout this entire dimension of existence. The Egyptian pharoahs were buried with their buds! It's our key to a greater existence!

Don't buy into this nonsense! You can get just has high as you want with couple nugs and this baby. https://www.thevolcanovaporizer.com/

if weed's not cutting it for you. Chill a sec. Think about the medical bills later in life. Think about HISTORY. Think how you'll need to save up 500 bucks for a volcano, how by the time you smoke two zips with it you'll have paid for it. Your cannabis collection will be much more full, all the time, you'll be healthier.

Wanting more than what you can fully have of wellbeing leads to serious faults in person.