strangedays_indeed
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there are lots of differences between the chemicals. JWH 018 is the top choice out of the three imho so congratulations.
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Well, JWH 250 is distinctly different from JWH 018.
250 lacks the functional group (the napthoyl) that has raised toxicity concerns, but is definitely not as much fun... It's more stimulating, and doesn't really feel like pot, imo.
I have tried 18, 73, and 250.
250 lacks the functional group (the napthoyl) that has raised toxicity concerns, but is definitely not as much fun... It's more stimulating, and doesn't really feel like pot, imo.
I have tried 18, 73, and 250.
I don't have a good comparison, as i've had problems consistently dosing it (with JWH-018 - i either can't get much, or wind up rocketing myself into a low earth orbit without a space suit).
On that topic, i think i'll throw some in my revised-vaporization setup, and see how it works, and post that chronology later tonight, side-by-side with JWH-250.
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Coolio, since you do JWH-018, apparently successfully, can you perchance share how you vape this shit effectively?
With JWH 250, i can just throw it in a test tube and heat it with a lighter and inhale through a glass rose (you know, those convenience store crackpipes*). With JWH 018 though, it crawls straight up the glass away from wherever it's being heated from. so i put it on some foil, which i held using a bent wire... And it crawls away from the heat, moving towards the (cooler) wire supporting it, where it won't vape without an insane amount of heat. Can you give a suggestion?
As a result of this difficulty, i am unable to smoke a reasonable amount of JWH-018. I either get only a weak buzz, or i somehow manage to massively overshoot (by applying brute thermal energy) and end up paranoid and uncomfortable.
Tonight i only managed to get a weak buzz with repeated attempts, which has stymied my goal of making a nice chronology of it like i was able to do with JWH-250 (it needs to be 1 decent hit to get me reasonably high, so i can track the time based on only 1 "dose" ). Do note that i have a fairly low tolerance to cannabinoids.
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Help?!?!
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I found the easiest way to use 018 is to use foil. Using foil to vape things is somewhat of a task to learn because of the different temps things vape at but once you become a master its 100% the easiest way because you can take exactly as much as you want. Also its funny because people dislike 018 because it can get you so ridiculously high but thats precisely the reason I love it. With 018 you can exactly the high you want once you learn how to vape it properly. I also enjoy it because the effects hit you instantaneously.
Coolio
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An oil burner/meth pipe:
But like I've been saying in these threads, once you start smoking JWH-018 out of a pipe like that it becomes insanely resinated with condensed JWH-018. You soon start getting many more mg's per hit than you load. One time I was able to get stoned for weeks just hittin the resin out of my JWH-018 pipe.
This makes weighing doses completely futile as you get a random amount each hit. This is why I've always eyeballed JWH-018.
polidelaiko
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I too get infinite doses with my little glass tube,in fact, if I heat it, it melts again and falls like black drops of plastic (it gets a little dirty) wich can be smoked again.
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http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25729&page=3
The people pioneering the research into cannabinoid NAPEs are on entheogen.com.
NAPEs are chemicals like N-linoleoylphosphatidylethanolamine.
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I've never tried 018, but the instantaneous effects are appealing compared to 073. In fact, the delay in effects with 073 is probably why I "OD'ed" on it more than once (smoking more because I thought I wasn't high).
That said, I'm still hesitant to try another synthetic cannabinoid after my experience and likely will not.
Help?!?!
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I did that with 073 too
I didn't od though. I was just used to that instant train ramming into your head feeling 018 gives you when you smoke a large dose.
I didn't od though. I was just used to that instant train ramming into your head feeling 018 gives you when you smoke a large dose.Hmm, interesting, so people get instant effects from JWH-018? Took me like 5-10 minutes between when i exhaled a cloud of vapor and realized i may have smoked more than i meant to, and when i started feeling way too high... Same with JWH-250 and JWH-073.
I think my batch of 018 may actually be 200 (see thread on ADD for my reasoning) Getting samples of both to continue that research this week, and i just got a sample of CP-55,940 today.
I've been smoking them on foil lately, which works way better, since i havn't the faintest where to get a meth pipe (which i'm sure would work better still).
The chronology between JWH's seems to be similar. This makes sense, since (according to someone in some thread on ADD - very reliable source clearly >.> ) the first step in the metabolism is oxidative dealkylation at the 3-position of the indole (So, JWH-018 and 250 should be metabolized at about the same rate, and 073 not much different - 200 is more likely to be different, since it has that bulkier morphlinylethyl group on it)
For me JWH-018/250 lasts about an hour and a half before being like 80% down assuming i smoke a reasonable amount of it, with peak reached in 5 mins or so, lasting a frustratingly short 20 mins or so before starting to come down.
On the topic of CP-55,940 - what's the dosage like, relative to JWH-018/073? I hear it lasts longer, which is my main complaint about the JWHs.
I think my batch of 018 may actually be 200 (see thread on ADD for my reasoning) Getting samples of both to continue that research this week, and i just got a sample of CP-55,940 today.
I've been smoking them on foil lately, which works way better, since i havn't the faintest where to get a meth pipe (which i'm sure would work better still).
The chronology between JWH's seems to be similar. This makes sense, since (according to someone in some thread on ADD - very reliable source clearly >.> ) the first step in the metabolism is oxidative dealkylation at the 3-position of the indole (So, JWH-018 and 250 should be metabolized at about the same rate, and 073 not much different - 200 is more likely to be different, since it has that bulkier morphlinylethyl group on it)
For me JWH-018/250 lasts about an hour and a half before being like 80% down assuming i smoke a reasonable amount of it, with peak reached in 5 mins or so, lasting a frustratingly short 20 mins or so before starting to come down.
On the topic of CP-55,940 - what's the dosage like, relative to JWH-018/073? I hear it lasts longer, which is my main complaint about the JWHs.
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Order a meth pipe online. They're like *no prices for paraphenalia* plus shipping from overseas.
I wish I knew how long CP 55940 lasted. I went through a lot over the past half year, but I was stoned 24/7 and would redose on CP 55940 or hash or JWH-018 or something before ever coming down. It seems pretty universal that it'll last 8-24 hours from a reasonable dose, and can last a few days from higher doses.
The dosage is about the same as JWH-018 (500 micrograms to 10 milligrams depending on initial tolerance), but I acquire tolerance to it faster.
I wish I knew how long CP 55940 lasted. I went through a lot over the past half year, but I was stoned 24/7 and would redose on CP 55940 or hash or JWH-018 or something before ever coming down. It seems pretty universal that it'll last 8-24 hours from a reasonable dose, and can last a few days from higher doses.
The dosage is about the same as JWH-018 (500 micrograms to 10 milligrams depending on initial tolerance), but I acquire tolerance to it faster.
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lazydullard
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Comeup times for me:
JWH-018: comeup starts nearly instantly, i'd say 99% high by the end of the exhale, peaks 100% in like 10 minutes.
JWH-073: comeup starts in like 5 seconds, and builds slowly for ten minutes, peaks probably at 15-20 minutes.
JWH-200: comeup starts in like 2 seconds, peaks in like 5-15 minutes. very mild high, lasts about as long as 73. far less intoxicating, almost no body high.
weed: delayed by 5-20 seconds, peaks in about 15 minutes.
You can get meth pipes in a lot of local-owned liqour stores, and at most pipe shops, and many tobacco shops. Ask for an oil burner, or for a glass rose with the "bulb" on it. If you see crack pipes on display, they have meth pipes behind the counter.
JWH-018: comeup starts nearly instantly, i'd say 99% high by the end of the exhale, peaks 100% in like 10 minutes.
JWH-073: comeup starts in like 5 seconds, and builds slowly for ten minutes, peaks probably at 15-20 minutes.
JWH-200: comeup starts in like 2 seconds, peaks in like 5-15 minutes. very mild high, lasts about as long as 73. far less intoxicating, almost no body high.
weed: delayed by 5-20 seconds, peaks in about 15 minutes.
You can get meth pipes in a lot of local-owned liqour stores, and at most pipe shops, and many tobacco shops. Ask for an oil burner, or for a glass rose with the "bulb" on it. If you see crack pipes on display, they have meth pipes behind the counter.
If only i had a scale that accurate.
I vaped in the 1mg range, i belive (give or take a factor of 2). Imo it's more potent than JWH-073 by a factor of 3-5.
Even with an awesome scale there's no way i could dose that shit. It's got some of the most obnoxious physical properties. It clings to everything, static charged AND physically sticky and is in this super-fine-air-floating dust that seeks out stray breezes to catch a ride. Melted like 10 mg and it seems it's a sticky clear resin, somehow formed into powder (no wonder it's so hard to work with!)
Very impressed. Too bad it costs so goddamned much.
I was emptying the baggie it came in. Tapping the side of the bag - that made enough of a breeze to blow bits of powder off of the card i was emptying it onto (i transfer my RC's into glass vials). some was also blown off the card by a stray breath.
And of course, it doesnt seem to want to come off of you use to handle it. Several times the amount i smoked last night is stuck on metal rod i was using to scrape out the bag it came in, even after really trying to get it all off.
Maybe my vendor's product is more finely powdered?
And of course, it doesnt seem to want to come off of you use to handle it. Several times the amount i smoked last night is stuck on metal rod i was using to scrape out the bag it came in, even after really trying to get it all off.
Maybe my vendor's product is more finely powdered?
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