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The Big & Dandy Seizures & Blackouts on Psychedelics Thread

colors said:
for me it seems to be related to being right on the border of a dream state and then being shocked back into reality, like the brain is glitching on that precipice.
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I'd agree with this. As documented here I had an experience like this from mushrooms back in 2006. It seemed to be related to sleep, was almost similar to some kind of looping sleep paralysis.

I've had 2 seizures in my life since that time, in November and February. I've attributed it to Xanax fucking with an already faulty seizure threshold. I've also done a fair amount of psychedelics and never had any issues on them since.
 
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Tranced said:
I'd agree with this. As documented here I had an experience like this from mushrooms back in 2006. It seemed to be related to sleep, was almost similar to some kind of looping sleep paralysis.

I've had 2 seizures in my life since that time, in November and February. I've attributed it to Xanax fucking with an already faulty seizure threshold. I've also done a fair amount of psychedelics and never had any issues on them since.
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I've now had 3 seizures in my life. Blatently must be the xanax I got last month.
 
Well, "seizures" don't have to be a "bad" thing... the body shaking like that can really let go of a lot of psychic and mental material... there are whole religions based upon it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers#Origin_of_the_name

Also, the body in orgasm will often go into "seizure"

a quote from here:

http://absintheliteraryreview.com/archives/fierce5.htm


In a sense, sexual climax became privileged as a religious moment. The ancient Greeks deemed most events religious in which a person lost control of his or her senses. In fact, the swoon of orgasm was often likened to an epileptic seizure, another dangerously transgressive instance in time.

Wilhelm Reich, also mentioned in this piece, felt that the only true orgasm was one where the body let go in an involuntary movement and trembling, again, not unlike a seizure.

He found this rare in western people are felt that this repression of of involuntary movement (inability to let go) and energy (leading to climax) was a symptom of our emotional sickness.


Julian.
 
folias said:
Well, "seizures" don't have to be a "bad" thing... the body shaking like that can really let go of a lot of psychic and mental material... there are whole religions based upon it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers#Origin_of_the_name

Also, the body in orgasm will often go into "seizure"

a quote from here:

http://absintheliteraryreview.com/archives/fierce5.htm


In a sense, sexual climax became privileged as a religious moment. The ancient Greeks deemed most events religious in which a person lost control of his or her senses. In fact, the swoon of orgasm was often likened to an epileptic seizure, another dangerously transgressive instance in time.

Wilhelm Reich, also mentioned in this piece, felt that the only true orgasm was one where the body let go in an involuntary movement and trembling, again, not unlike a seizure.

He found this rare in western people are felt that this repression of of involuntary movement (inability to let go) and energy (leading to climax) was a symptom of our emotional sickness.


Julian.
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But seizures often are a bad thing if nothing is done about them, nothing like hurting yourself convulsing, etc.
 
I think there is a difference between full on epileptic like seizures, where you might knock furniture onto yourself and the kind of pentacostal(!) like or orgasmic like tremblings, shakings, or body convulsions, whereby there may be an internal process occuring.

At the end of the day, it may be a fine line, and different people will see this phenomena differently, my only point right now is that there may be intelligent processes involved in what people are calling "seizures", i.e. not just physical abherations... and I really think there is a lot more going on here than anyone can actually explain.


Julian.
 
folias said:
I think there is a difference between full on epileptic like seizures, where you might knock furniture onto yourself and the kind of pentacostal(!) like or orgasmic like tremblings, shakings, or body convulsions, whereby there may be an internal process occuring.

At the end of the day, it may be a fine line, and different people will see this phenomena differently, my only point right now is that there may be intelligent processes involved in what people are calling "seizures", i.e. not just physical abherations... and I really think there is a lot more going on here than anyone can actually explain.


Julian.
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A surge of activity amongst the brain's neurons doesn't sound intelligent, it sounds frankly neurotoxic if severe enough, at best a seizure is frightening. But to each his own.
 
So what do you do when someone has a seizure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure#Management said:
Managment
The first aid for a seizure depends on the type of seizure occurring. Generalized seizures will cause the person to fall, which may result in injury. A tonic-clonic seizure results in violent movements that cannot and should not be suppressed. The person should never be restrained, nor should there be any attempt to put something in the mouth. Potentially sharp or dangerous objects should also be moved from the vicinity, so that the individual is not hurt. After the seizure if the person is not fully conscious and alert, they should be placed in the recovery position. Bystanders should remain calm and avoid crowding the person.

It is not necessary to call an ambulance if the person is known to have epilepsy, if the seizure is shorter than five minutes and is typical for them, if it is not immediately followed by another seizure, and if the person is uninjured. Otherwise, or if in any doubt, medical assistance should be sought.

A seizure longer than five minutes is a medical emergency. Relatives and other caregivers of those known to have epilepsy often carry medicine such as rectal diazepam or buccal midazolam in order to rapidly end the seizure.

Safety

A sudden fall can lead to broken bones and other injuries. Children who are affected by frequent drop seizures may wear helmets to protect the head during a fall.

The unusual behavior resulting from the chaotic brain activity of a seizure can be misinterpreted as an aggressive act. This may invoke a hostile response or police involvement, where there was no intention to cause harm or trouble. During a prolonged seizure, the person is defenseless and may become a victim of theft.

A seizure response dog can be trained to summon help or ensure personal safety when a seizure occurs. These are not suitable for everybody. Rarely, a dog may develop the ability to sense a seizure before it occurs.[10]
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So what do you do when someone has a seizure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure#Management said:
Managment
The first aid for a seizure depends on the type of seizure occurring. Generalized seizures will cause the person to fall, which may result in injury. A tonic-clonic seizure results in violent movements that cannot and should not be suppressed. The person should never be restrained, nor should there be any attempt to put something in the mouth. Potentially sharp or dangerous objects should also be moved from the vicinity, so that the individual is not hurt. After the seizure if the person is not fully conscious and alert, they should be placed in the recovery position. Bystanders should remain calm and avoid crowding the person.

It is not necessary to call an ambulance if the person is known to have epilepsy, if the seizure is shorter than five minutes and is typical for them, if it is not immediately followed by another seizure, and if the person is uninjured. Otherwise, or if in any doubt, medical assistance should be sought.

A seizure longer than five minutes is a medical emergency. Relatives and other caregivers of those known to have epilepsy often carry medicine such as rectal diazepam or buccal midazolam in order to rapidly end the seizure.

Safety

A sudden fall can lead to broken bones and other injuries. Children who are affected by frequent drop seizures may wear helmets to protect the head during a fall.

The unusual behavior resulting from the chaotic brain activity of a seizure can be misinterpreted as an aggressive act. This may invoke a hostile response or police involvement, where there was no intention to cause harm or trouble. During a prolonged seizure, the person is defenseless and may become a victim of theft.

A seizure response dog can be trained to summon help or ensure personal safety when a seizure occurs. These are not suitable for everybody. Rarely, a dog may develop the ability to sense a seizure before it occurs.[10]
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I have used both LSD and 'shrooms' in the past and never had any seizures. But a few years ago, after using 'ice' at a party, I had a seizure. What I wonder is if it's safe to use mushrooms again. I haven't used any psychedelics since the seizure. Any advice would be wonderful.
 
Shrooms and seizures

I have used both LSD and 'shrooms' in the past and never had any seizures. But a few years ago, after using 'ice' at a party, I had a seizure. What I wonder is if it's safe to use mushrooms again. I haven't used any psychedelics since the seizure. Any advice would be wonderful.
 
If by "ice" you're referring to methamphetamine. Then that is a completely different substance than LSD and Psilocybin mushrooms (shrooms). Shrooms are a tryptamine, and LSD has a tryptamine like backbone but is actually ergoline; even though some consider LSD a tryptamine.

There's really no relation between the two, you should be fine. If you were talking about some sort of Phenethylamine (like MDMA for instance), then you might have something to worry about, but this isn't the case with "shrooms."
 
>A surge of activity amongst the brain's neurons doesn't sound intelligent, it sounds frankly neurotoxic if severe enough, at best a seizure is frightening. But to each his own.

I'm not saying there are not "seizures" which represent a "medical emergency" - just that the basic symptoms do not always have to read as "negative" or a necessary problem - and can in fact, represent the body sorting itself out intelligently.


Julian.
 
I had a seizure on 2.3 gs of cubensis. I had been having a good trip, but then it got really heavy and i could tell something bad was going to happen. This occurred the day after taking 3 mdma pills and smoking dmt the day before, a small amount of sleep, not enough food, and lots of alcohol, fwiw. Really scary and not fun at all. Ruined a perfectly good trip otherwise.
 
I had a seizure on 2.3 gs of cubensis. I had been having a good trip, but then it got really heavy and i could tell something bad was going to happen. This occurred the day after taking 3 mdma pills and smoking dmt the day before, a small amount of sleep, not enough food, and lots of alcohol, fwiw. Really scary and not fun at all. Ruined a perfectly good trip otherwise.
 
Tranced said:
I'd agree with this. As documented here It seemed to be related to sleep, was almost similar to some kind of looping sleep paralysis.
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I've noticed that the 'brain zaps' during mushroom trips are, basically, the same exact sensation felt when coming out of the sleep paralysis state; the being 'shocked' back into the waking state.
However, sometimes the sleep paralysis 'shocks' turn much more into a rather steady pulsating state which grows to an alarming overwhelming feeling sort of like being electrocuted. Likewise, on high doses or during intense moments of revelation in peak mushroom trances, the seizures dont stop as quickly as they should, or at least, seem to last much longer then they actually do, possibly because of being totally disoriented from the trance and exaggerating time.
Who can really know. It's frightening and joyful orgasmic in the same moment, not unlike every other paradoxical reaction to communicating with the 3rd impersonal party between being and nothing.
 
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