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The Big & Dandy Salvia Thread - Second iteration

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One of my deep salvia experiences went like this:


Me and a very good friend of mine went to his house to introduce salvia to his dad. Yes, that's right, a 50+ year old DAD of a 25yr old. I am 35+ and am experienced with strong salvia trips. My friend had only tried it once prior to this night, this would be his second time, as we were going to let him observe us trip. A true 20x popular brand was measured out to 1/10g dosages using a scale. We had some very soft music in the background from some old classic rock station...and we had smoked some decent pot about a half hour before, so I was nicely lifted.

I ripped the salvia from a classic water bong, holding the butane lighter on the material the entire time as I steadily pulled and burned it all in one pull, holding that first lungful for a 15 count. I then cleared the bong, and TRIED a ten count...I don't remember how far I got....


...my reality was transformed into an existence straight out of a christmas snowflake globe, the kind you shake to make the flakes fly around. I, my friend, and his dad, were now extruded from the ice of a medium size pond, as if we were waist high in ice, but no, not IN it, but PART of it. I was holding some conversation with them, I remember no words, only a feeling of utter integration with them in a language sense. I was amazed at the complexity of the world around me, snow was falling all around use, and the ground outside the edge of the pond was covered in snow. Winding down from the mountains in the background, a stream twisted and warped it's way to the pond, fusing into the ice as it entered. The stream was not of water, but of pure music, the pure music that only exists in your mind, unencumbered by the stifling bonds of paper and ink, a music that was flowing, not of physical sound but of a psychic flavor of pure emotion. I knew I was inside a globe, that nothing existed beyond the walls, there was no want of anything else, no curiosity about what lie outside, and it felt completely and utterly real, a timeless existence in a finite universe. As I came to, the reality I had unknowingly left behind started to fade back in, and I was left utterly astounded at the reality of it all. <3
 
^ how many drops did you take?

Wow - sorry so late with the answer. Forgot I'd posted here! It was Siebert's Green Goddess stuff, and if I recall correctly, it was 3 doses, 4 minutes apart, each dose 0.75ml in 1.5ml warm water. It was what he had stated would be a mdium level trip in the guidelines.

Slight change in awareness after 4 mins, lego-like world beginning to build after 7 or 8 mins, and then, after 3rd dose ............. weird and confusing stuff for about 10 mins, epic battle for my life for 15 mins, paradise for just under an hour. Felt slightly above par for about a month =D=D
 
Salvia. Breakthrough or not?

In a few days, I might be be trying Salvia for the first time. I've never really had an active dose of any other hallucinagens before. Should I strive for a breakthrough experience, by trying to hold in a big of a hit as possible for as long as possible, or should I aim for more threshold experiences first? I'll have two really close friends with me who will also being doing Salvia. One has done it several times before, but the other is like me, a noob.

Thanks for any input.

Dzarren
 
Well I have never tried salvia but I plan on it soon, I have heard it's one of the strongest psychedelic experiences there is, maybe you should try something else first
 
If you're gonna do it, go for the breakthrough experience. Pack as big of a bowl as you can, try and get as much of it as you can in one inhale, and hold it in as long as you can. That will most likely do it. IME threshold doses just give me an uncomfortable body load
 
If your going to do it, break through... there is very little to salvia if you do not break through....

Although i highly recommend another first psych... find some LSD, mushrooms, or 2c-b (doubt you will be able to find that one)....

The thing about salvia is that it will shatter the reality you have experienced your entire life in around 45 seconds and reconstruct it into a strange new reality that will seem as real as any you have ever existed in.... There is no concept of "i am on a drug this, that is why things are strange" your reality is destroyed and replaced and all of it seems very real.

Where you end up in salvialand will vary, i have experienced the abyss both with and without a tangible body, and i have also experienced death and judgment in the form of a talk show....

Keep in mind you may get up and move around unknowingly, so have nothing breakable or dangerous around you.... I stepped into a camp fire on salvia, not even realizing it.....

Honestly though, salvia will probably scare the everliving fuck out of you..... Not a lot of people can come back through the abyss without saying "What the fuck?" much less staring death and judgment in the face unflinching.... Your trip could be completly different, you could exist for what seems like an eternity as tree.....

Salvia is not euphoric, despite all the giggling.... the receptors it acts on are more responsible for dysphoria.... The giggling is a random response of the mind to the drug, not emotionally based. It will be strange, and you probably will not like, enjoy, or understand it at all....

I don't want to scare you away from salvia, its an interesting compound that deserves a shot at least once in a persons life, but there are far better first hallucinogens....

LSD was my first, it was the happiest i ever felt.... i learned a lot about myself and the true meaning and source of happiness in this life...

Mushrooms are one that i have never been a huge fan of but they have an enormous potential, some people love them....

2c-b is my favorite non tryptamine hallucinogen. its visual, feels nonconspicuous, euphoric, sexual, and generally colorful.... Never snorting that shit again though, holy fucking Jesus.... half the dose is not worth that amount of pain, just buy more.....
 
I really don't understand why I don't get a psychadelic experience from smokign salvia. My first experiences were with 10x salvia I ordered online. first time, I put about 2 pinches in a pipe and smoked it. I got a dizzy feeling, but thats it. the rest of the times I tried it, I got a feeling as if my face was melting, then I got dizzy and got a dysphoric feeling in my body and head. I wanted to keep trying to see if it took multiple times to "kick in" , so I lit up a bunch in a bong and took a few big hits and it still just gave me a sort of dysphoric feeling and an anxious feeling. that was about a month ago.

I recently bought some 20x purple sticky salvia at tobacco store out of boredome and hopes that maybe might get a better experience out of a more powerful extract. Last night I mixed about 1/5 of a gram in a cigarillo and proceeded to smoke. one I hit the salvia I noticed how harsh the smoke was but continued to take deep drags from it. once I was doen with the cigar I started to feel dizzy and just sat in my chair in front of my computer. I got a horrible headache and overall felt horrible: headahce, stomach ache, weak knees. I tried to walk around but felt too sick to, so I just layed on my bed and curled up and waited to feel better. It hurt to keep my eyes open because I had double vision. I didn't notice any hallucinogenic effects or any psychedelic feelings. I just felt sick, layed down, and fell asleep. I do have to say though, it really made me sleep well, despite the initial dysphoric feelings, and I had some interesting dreams and woke up at 7 am... which I hardly ever do on a saturday :o . I felt pretty refreshed too.

Overall, salvia divinorum does not react well with me, but I am still intrigued with all the reports i've read of those who have had very meaningful and spiritual experiences from it. from what I've read, a small amount of people just get dysphoric effects from it... and I think I may be one of them :( . has anyone else had bad experiences like this? Is there a way for me to overcome the bad effects in order to achieve an insightful psychedelic experience?

note: I am currently on cymbalta for depression and mainly anxiety. I also occasionally use opiates and sometimes use DXM in the form of cough syrup.. but have recently began to stop using that since it doesn't give any euphoric feeligns anymore and just disorients me now.

so thats it...
 
I got a feeling as if my face was melting, then I got dizzy and got a dysphoric feeling in my body and head.

Yup, that sounds like a fairly typical Salvia experience to me :D

Last night I mixed about 1/5 of a gram in a cigarillo and proceeded to smoke.

To have any real chance of a breakthrough experience with Salvia it needs to be taken in in one big (preferably bong) hit - two or three in quick succession at most - so smoking it in the way you describe just won't work. The only real use for smoking Salvia in that kinda way is with the ridiculously potent extracts - I do something similar with 60X extract. You won't breakthrough but it's quite pleasant in its own right anyway really :)

from what I've read, a small amount of people just get dysphoric effects from it... and I think I may be one of them :(

I think you'll find that it's more like the majority of people that try Salvia find it incredibly dysphoric and frequently terrifying with a small minority who love it. It certainly has its fans who adore it, but I would say that they are more the minority. It really is a drug that very few people find enjoyable, worthwhile or valuable in any way. Those that do seem to get a great deal from it though.

The only time I can say that I found it to be at all enjoyable was smoking it whilst on MDMA. Other than that I find it more "interesting" than in any way pleasant.

I am currently on cymbalta for depression and mainly anxiety. I also occasionally use opiates

I don't know how Cymbalta would affect it, but when I used opiates regularly Salvia had no effect on me whatsoever aside from giving me a bit of a headache and I don't seem to be alone in that. Opiates seem to block the effects of Salvia pretty much completely for many people so that may be the issue.

Also, many people seem to get little from Salvia the first few times they use it. It almost seems that some need to "learn" the effects before it has any of note. It's very odd stuff indeed...
 
Try holding the smoke in, after one large bong rip of it. I find I can only truly enter salvia-land when I hold the smoke in for a good 10-15 seconds, regardless of how large.
 
Like others noted, use a water bong. Butane lighters work FINE, don't believe the myth about having to have a torch lighter.

I use the purple sticky salvia 20x extract, and I only need 1/12 gram to put me into a deep (but short) breakthrough session.

Light the material with your lighter while you STEADILY pull (don't try and suck the shit out of it like a turbo hoover) and ignite ALL the salvia, keeping the flame on the material the entire time! At that point, you will have a full set of lungs that you need to HOLD for 15 seconds. Then exhale completely, and rip the rest out of the bong. Hold for as long as you can, although I bet you can't count to 15 if you tried :) BOOM, welcome to salvia land.

Most problems with not breaking through are due to 1) bad smoking technique or 2) weak ass salvia.

Personally, I have NO use for salvia unless it is a BREAKTHROUGH session, getting caught halfway sucks and is confusing.
 
Like others noted, use a water bong. Butane lighters work FINE, don't believe the myth about having to have a torch lighter.

I use the purple sticky salvia 20x extract, and I only need 1/12 gram to put me into a deep (but short) breakthrough session.

Light the material with your lighter while you STEADILY pull (don't try and suck the shit out of it like a turbo hoover) and ignite ALL the salvia, keeping the flame on the material the entire time! At that point, you will have a full set of lungs that you need to HOLD for 15 seconds. Then exhale completely, and rip the rest out of the bong. Hold for as long as you can, although I bet you can't count to 15 if you tried :) BOOM, welcome to salvia land.

Most problems with not breaking through are due to 1) bad smoking technique or 2) weak ass salvia.

Personally, I have NO use for salvia unless it is a BREAKTHROUGH session, getting caught halfway sucks and is confusing.

thanks for the tip ^_^ . umm, due to my recent decision to stay off opiates and me still going thru opiate withdrawal, I am now using kratom to help with that... do you think that will cause a problem with a breakthrough? since kratom does hit the mu-opiod receptors and opiate use appently does mess with salvia breakthroughs.

I'll try the water bong method again and see how it goes :) . I did do wut u said awhile back with a water bong and big hits held in for a long time... but that was a 5x salvia sample at the peek of my opiate abuse :/
 
Salvia, Lights On or Off?

I hope this doesn't break any rules, i just reviewed them again. I was curious as to whether bluelighters enjoy salvia more when the lights are on or off? I have only done it with the lights on but was thinking of lights off. Sounds a bit creepy though but I have heard crazy things about it. If you wouldn't mind sharing with me your favorite and even share your experience with the lights "On" or "Off." Compare and Contrast!
 
Oh, I'm a lights-on guy. That indescribable shift in the rules of geometry is so much better with ample lighting. Ensuring full vaporisation is even more crucial though in my opinion.
Peace, Ethnobot
 
I like a low light situation, but not total blackness. The non-breakthrough visual effects seem more vivid and colorful with a bit of background lighting. 2 candles in a dark room is about right for me.
 
Christmas lights or blacklight. Or anything else relatively dim and colored.

When I used Salvia in a room with a black light, I could see everything I touched in my mind glowing, even after the light was off.
 
Question about this, with less light do you guys have a more positive trip?
 
I'm a pitch black person or as dark as I can get the room. Quiet as I can get the room too. Although I am interested in the difference of effects with a little light a possibly a little music. I can hear and see the experience better though with quiet and dark. In fact at one point I was using earplugs since any little noise seems to snap me out of the trance for a few seconds until it engulfs me again.
 
Even though no-one agrees with me about lighting preferences this thread has restored my faith a little. Several people of my acquaintance insist on buying stale Salvia extract from second rate small town head shops and smoking it using a normal lighter in an awful basic hash pipe. They then mock me for regarding a "mild herb" as a powerful entheogen. Grrrr!
It's nice to hear people who are obviously making the effort to get the most out of this valuable teacher plant :)
 
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