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Health The Big & Dandy Psychedelics & Mental Illness Thread

I mentioned hypomania pretty early there, it is the illness I have attained and I preach its praises. There are many others which aren't so great yes, but why would I want any of those? I'm of the persuasion the human mind is capable of turning a person into the best version of themselves.
 
I didn't mean to imply that. I was trying to say that "mental illness" is the extension of an extreme personality in every case. Like my friend who is now diagnosed "tourrettes/schizophrenic", its as if psychedelics exagerrate what is already there, making problems either tougher to overcome or showing you there are no problems to begin with.

EDIT: There is a portion of my belief system which tells me that all who face challenges, even in their own pharmachology/personalities, can overcome and conquer. I have faith in the human ability to overcome.
 
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All good conversation but I do agree that some can't help it. Schitzophrenia is no joke and if someone has it, im sure they wish they could make it go away. I think I am healthy mentally enough for psychedelics :) in fact I meditate so much that I have achieved states of consciousness that some would call tripping ;) closed eye visuals and distorted thought process. They tell us to use our imaginations when we are kids.. But if you use it too much your considered insane.. Ironic
 
IMHO, there are exceptions.

In my family, there's is a history of narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, Bipolar disorder, and OCD. I have OCD myself. I've never had a problem with psychedelics.

I think there are some mental illnesses that can be brought out by psychoactives(Schizophrenia, psychosis, etc) provided there is a family history of it. But other mental disorder, specifically personality disorder I feel like would take affect no matter what if you have them. Schizophrenia can sort of lie in dormant, but personality disorders are just that; in your personality.

Or at least, that's what I've come to conclude. Just my opinion, though.

One thing, though, is I do think psychedelics aggravate symptoms. I've noticed that when I do acid, my OCD gets a little worse(IE, I become obsessive compulsive over one thing the whole trip. Last time it was my glove lights. I couldn't stop thinking about them and I wore them the whole time and constantly worked on one technique, and things didn't feel right if I wasn't working on that technique. Whenever I closed my eyes, the closed eye visuals usually included my lights. It wasn't unpleasant, and I got very good at that technique. Just had sore fingers the next day, haha)

But I'm still sort of a newbie. =P So this is just my opinion.
 
Do you think it depends on the trip? I mean could you have a beautiful trip then still go crazy?
 
Mate its not just about bringing predisposed symptoms out earlier. It can work differently, and no one can tell you for sure. But lets say you were bound to have a bi polar disorder later in life, well if you kept using psyches it may have brought it out much much earlier than it should have. Not only that it may have exacerbated it much more than it should have been and made it much more intense and in your face. Or you may have turned out fine, or it could be that your fathers side of anxiety which wasn't really going to affect you comes in and hits you in the face after some trips on LSD. It's hard to tell, but just know it isn't always about predisposed. There are plenty of people who have not abused psyches but got hit by many psychological disorders when they shouldn't have. I often come here and the folks down here on psychedelic discussion give too much credit of psyches being harmless and safe, only because the fact that most aren't toxic / neuro toxic.
 
Granted you would have to be a hypochondriac in the first place to get any of these.....
 
QuasiModo said:
Granted you would have to be a hypochondriac in the first place to get any of these.....
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The fear of such diseases is under the anxiety side of things. I realized long ago that life is too short to be worried about something that isn't even there. I think that if you stay healthy, meditate often, and don't go crazy on the amount of drugs you do, you can avoid predisposed Illness. Although the more I meditate the more I feel I'm not normal. It's a good feeling though. Meditation can give you amazing experiences.
 
With respect, Quasi, your hypomania doesn't qualify you to take the judgemental stance you seem to feel entitled to force on other members of this thread.

Please tone it down.
 
bluegreenman said:
... the more I meditate the more I feel I'm not normal. It's a good feeling though.
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You show me someone who genuinely believes they meet any definition of "normal" you can throw at them, and I'll show you a crazyfoo ;o)

I like your attitude. Think I should start learning a bit more about meditation.
 
QuasiModo said:
I mentioned hypomania pretty early there, it is the illness I have attained and I preach its praises. There are many others which aren't so great yes, but why would I want any of those? I'm of the persuasion the human mind is capable of turning a person into the best version of themselves.
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No offense but grandiosity is a major symptom of hypomania.. which isn't a disease but a mood-state which periodically can arise from bipolar disorder, schizoactive disorder, or cyclothymia. When I'm rarely hypomanic the last thing I do is psychoanalyze legitimacy of mental illness on a drug forum or one up people's opinions on a legitimate topic. Its about the only benefit of being bipolar and should be used to utilize creativity during its short-lived period. Mania has a lot of horrible features and can easily get out of hand. The book "an unquiet mind" is a good example of why you shouldn't praise hypomania, because the chances are later in life your "illness" will get serious.

Concerning the topic question; its not just psychedelics its all drugs. Generally a "history" is a real extensive history. Look up Van Gogh's family tree, or Virginia Woolf. Lord Byron too. If you have several suicides in the family and a history of people being committed to institutions there's a good chance you may have a genetic predisposition. Judging by your history with drugs LSD shouldn't be a concern.
 
Yeah hypomania is not really a good state to be in. It feels good. You are full of euphoria. But soon or later you will have to pay.

I think for me this is what LSD will bring out personally. If i have been dosing somewhat frequently I will start to become hypomanic. This does not mean I have hypomania, its drug induced. Once it fades away and everything slows down, I usually feel a bit lost without those feelings.

The mania makes you feel over-confident for no reason. Confidence is good but only when you have a reason to rightfully feel that way. There is a lack of integrity. There is a problem when you feel happy, but there isn't anything to be happy about.

Have you been diagnosed with hypomania Quasi? Could it just be drug induced? You are only fooling yourself when you say how wonderful it is. :\
 
bluegreenman said:
Do you think it depends on the trip? I mean could you have a beautiful trip then still go crazy?
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In a sense, while you are tripping your ARE insane. One of the first clinical uses of LSD was by psychologists to help them relate to schizophrenic patients. So, it isn't so much what kind of trip you have that makes you crazy, but whether you come back from the trip completely. Certainly, being stuck in the mental state of a bad trip would make it much harder to conduct a normal life than if you were stuck in the metal state of a good trip. Certainly, a psychedelic experience will change you for better or worse, but the chances of being changed in a way that drastically changes your life are low. The only cases I've ever heard about where people didn't come down after a 12 hour trip involved "heroic" doses of LSD. Anyway, "crazy" is a real fine line. I'd have a hard time convincing myself I'm not just a LITTLE crazier than I was pre-LSD, but it hasn't negatively effected my life in any way.

Generally, when people talk about LSD or other psychedelics driving someone crazy they are referring specifically to schizophrenia. Personally, I think that the statistical correlation between onset of schizophrenia and LSD or cannabis use is likely due to the fact that most people start using drugs around the same time as schizophrenia typically manifests (mid teens to early twenties). That's why it doesn't just come out of left field, and there are typically genetic factors. In all likelihood, most of these people probably would have ended up crazy without drug use. As far as the less intense personality disorders go, it is certainly possible to undergo a personality shift as a result of drug use. You may end up better or worse than you were before. If you are worried about it, just start with one hit, and don't use more than once a month and you'll probably be fine.
 
iblewafuseinmymind said:
No offense but grandiosity is a major symptom of hypomania.. which isn't a disease but a mood-state which periodically can arise from bipolar disorder, schizoactive disorder, or cyclothymia. When I'm rarely hypomanic the last thing I do is psychoanalyze legitimacy of mental illness on a drug forum or one up people's opinions on a legitimate topic. Its about the only benefit of being bipolar and should be used to utilize creativity during its short-lived period. Mania has a lot of horrible features and can easily get out of hand. The book "an unquiet mind" is a good example of why you shouldn't praise hypomania, because the chances are later in life your "illness" will get serious.

Concerning the topic question; its not just psychedelics its all drugs. Generally a "history" is a real extensive history. Look up Van Gogh's family tree, or Virginia Woolf. Lord Byron too. If you have several suicides in the family and a history of people being committed to institutions there's a good chance you may have a genetic predisposition. Judging by your history with drugs LSD shouldn't be a concern.
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This is the best answer given. And I really think that unless it is really debilitating, don't worry about it. Don't be afraid of your personality, learn to love the little crazy parts about yourself. I'm far from what society calls normal, but I'm comfortable with who I am, both strengths and weakness. LSD for me will be a spiritual exploration of said personality. Too many people are looking at a part of their personality, then proceeding to worry it's some disorder. Remember that disorders are names given to a set of symptoms, just because you have some symptoms doesn't make you have the disorder. I really think that the source of most disorders are anxiety/worrying about one small thing then convincing yourself you have (insert disorder) the power of words and our mind are astonishing. I guarantee that if you wake up every morning and say "I'm going to go schitzophrenic." you will lose your sanity. Instead, wake up and say "I am healthy In body mind and soul and will continue to succeed" you will feel a lot better I promise you. This excludes those who really have the disorder. This is for those killing themselves with worry about a disorder they don't have. I could write a book on this but I'll stop here.
 
Glad to hear it. I feel the same way about mental disorder diagnostics. If you visit a specialist and they conclude after only three visits that you fit specific diagnostic criteria its probably a misdiagnosis. I believe each individual who accurately fits a diagnosis has separate sub-features of each symptom.. and each sub-features can be further broken down as well into more complex personal attributes of their unique mental behavior. ect. I don't worry too much about my mental health to prevent psychosomatic responses.
 
in my opinion everyone is mad, and it's a mad mad world
children dieing in one part of the world from starvation, whilst in another people are dieing from obesity
meanwhile an astonishing amount of countries have access to nuclear weapons

catch my drift?
 
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