amapola
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I wouldn't compare them.
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The Big & Dandy Nootropics Thread
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I've been taking 200mg of Modafinil off and on for a few months. I immediately noticed a huge burst in clarity, ability to focus, cognitive capacity, energy and motivation. However these effects slowly faded and even after a month break, modafinil just leaves me feeling stimulated. It is worth noting that with this stimulation comes a certain freedom from mental fatigue. So if you're taking a long test you won't get that feeling like you just can't think anymore. In that respect it is nice for days that I haven't been able to get the sleep I needed and is nice for mentally intensive days.
Negative effects include an immensely decreased appetite, which although it can be nice to not have to eat as much, if you don't force down food you'll feel like hell by the end of your day. Initially when I started taking it I struggled to be patient with others, but that eventually goes away.
Negative effects include an immensely decreased appetite, which although it can be nice to not have to eat as much, if you don't force down food you'll feel like hell by the end of your day. Initially when I started taking it I struggled to be patient with others, but that eventually goes away.
DwayneHoover
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^ Yep... brand name Provigil. Not really a nootropic. Tried it for a while. Prescribed for narcolepsy. For those without that it seems be forcibly cause wakefullness for long periods, and cancel out lack-of-sleep fatigue by about 98%
Ive been wondering about Adrafinil (brand name Olmifon), a NON prescription nootropic you can easily find to buy online... its a PROdrug of modafinil, and turns into modafinil in the body.
Probably similar effects but maybe kinda time-release and milder? Note that they BOTH are banned for athletics and ARE tested for, just in case anyone interested in them is in sports in any way.
Anyone tried it, and can compare to Modafinil? Sure sounds attractice, especially due to not needing a script and numerous commercial sources.
Ive been wondering about Adrafinil (brand name Olmifon), a NON prescription nootropic you can easily find to buy online... its a PROdrug of modafinil, and turns into modafinil in the body.
Probably similar effects but maybe kinda time-release and milder? Note that they BOTH are banned for athletics and ARE tested for, just in case anyone interested in them is in sports in any way.
Anyone tried it, and can compare to Modafinil? Sure sounds attractice, especially due to not needing a script and numerous commercial sources.
DwayneHoover
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^If you were refering to Modafinil, right. But if you were refering to Adrafinil...
Adrafinil/Olmifon is available from places that sell NON PRESCRIPTION stuff like nootropics, herbs, sports supplements, etc.. it is NOT prescription ... Modafinil is, but NOT its pro-drug (Adrafinl/Olmifon) so you do NOT need to use online "pharmas", but rather more run of the mill supplement merchants who are mostly pretty trustworthy.
Adrafinil/Olmifon is available from places that sell NON PRESCRIPTION stuff like nootropics, herbs, sports supplements, etc.. it is NOT prescription ... Modafinil is, but NOT its pro-drug (Adrafinl/Olmifon) so you do NOT need to use online "pharmas", but rather more run of the mill supplement merchants who are mostly pretty trustworthy.
General Patton
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I'm currently on another course of Hydergine. I can't overstate how much I LOVE this stuff!! It seems to be the best medicine for intellectual melancholia, btw.
This time around I also tried Nicergoline for the first time and also combined it with Hydergine. It is equally impressive, but seems to also have more sensory effects (making it even more-so than hydergine similar to ULD LSD), but it also tends to give a headache for the first couple of hours so I'm using it cautiously.
Ergolines seem to be such a godsend. I might consider trying small doses of bromocryptine in the near future...
I'm pretty interested in Hydergine because of these positive effects on "intellectual melancholia" you speak of. Lately I've been tackling the physical effects of this particular kind of depression by waking up earlier, trying to get out of the pattern of post midnight activity, etc. I've been excelling at school for the past semester (got an 80%+ for the first time in YEARS!) as well as now, but I still feel like it sucks up all my energy for other pursuits in life. I still have it in my head that "there's only so much of me to go around" which is a very counter-intuitive thought loop I'm stuck in. It indeed feels mental/intellectual and saps even the extra energy gained from my lifestyle changes. The problem with treatment-resistant depression seems to be that you can do EVERYTHING right and still feel like shit, very frustrating!
Once my new sleep schedule stabilizes a bit I might try another course of nootropics. Right now my vitamin/supplement intake is restricted to:
-Centrum multi-vitamin
-1200mg omega 3's
-300mg calcium citrate/150mg magnesium/200 IU Vit D3
-Lactaid and other digestive enzymes as needed
I had a blood test done for general nutrience last Thursday, as well as possible lactose intolerance (hence the extra lactase) so I will see where my body is at and than proceed. It's a fascinating process, delving into the body like this. I've realized that I've been supplement (nutrient) obsessed in the past, when all I actually need is a good diet, full of nutrience for both the mind and body
Simple is probably better in the end, I'll leave it there.
abracadabra girl
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I've started taking mucuna pruriens and definitely feel more energy and motivation.
Crack4Lyfe
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What's the best source for choline to take with piracetam?
amapola
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I prefer lecithin due to its cost and availability. There are other more expensive sources I can't recall them right now but they're around.
citysmog
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After reading this board I feel like I may be taking far to much piracetam. On regular, I take 4 - 4.8 grams a day because it seems to be the only dose that I find it effective at, I might try mixing it with other supplements, but I'm I the only one to take piracetam at these doses. Should I maybe try a stronger racetam, is there any health risks associated with piracetam. Thanks in advance
KingBlueTwista
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Unless you notice negative cognitive effects then your dose is okay. If you need that much for a reasonable effect then that is okay. BUT piracetam is a subtle nootropic in that the effects slowly accumulate over time with continued dosing. It's NOT the sort of chemical you take (in usual doses) and immediately notice its' effects, and this doesn't mean that you are not responding to it, just that the changes are not so rapid/extreme that they make themselves apparent to your conscious mind.
Part of the definition of a true nootropic is that there is no feasibly achievable lethal dose/it is virtually non-toxic. Some lunatics on the internet have reported taking over 40g a day for periods of over two weeks with no noticeable adverse effects (bar bouts of mania - but maybe they were already bipolar. To make a decision like that you probably need some sort of unusual neuronal arrangement anyway) so you'll be fine. However with the 'racetams it is recommended that every other week or so you have a ~2 day break because it can take its toll on your liver.
On the thought of trying other racetams I would say go for it if you have the money. Each 'racetam is not just a modification of potency but they have stand-alone effects of their own ie. Aniracetam is a pretty good anxiolytic etc. As with every chemical YMMV and it takes quite a bit of trying different regimens/dosages/schedules to find out what works best for yourself. In terms of other nootropics, I would recommend hydergine, galantamine, fish oil and ALCAR.
btw - If you start experiencing headaches then either up your choline intake (if you already take a choline supplement, if you don't, then I suggest Acetyl-L-Cartinine) or decrease your piracetam intake. Hope that answers your post.
Part of the definition of a true nootropic is that there is no feasibly achievable lethal dose/it is virtually non-toxic. Some lunatics on the internet have reported taking over 40g a day for periods of over two weeks with no noticeable adverse effects (bar bouts of mania - but maybe they were already bipolar. To make a decision like that you probably need some sort of unusual neuronal arrangement anyway) so you'll be fine. However with the 'racetams it is recommended that every other week or so you have a ~2 day break because it can take its toll on your liver.
On the thought of trying other racetams I would say go for it if you have the money. Each 'racetam is not just a modification of potency but they have stand-alone effects of their own ie. Aniracetam is a pretty good anxiolytic etc. As with every chemical YMMV and it takes quite a bit of trying different regimens/dosages/schedules to find out what works best for yourself. In terms of other nootropics, I would recommend hydergine, galantamine, fish oil and ALCAR.
btw - If you start experiencing headaches then either up your choline intake (if you already take a choline supplement, if you don't, then I suggest Acetyl-L-Cartinine) or decrease your piracetam intake. Hope that answers your post.
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General Patton
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I've re-introduced L-Huperazine at 1-2 days a week and I'm liking it so far, it's noticeable even for a few days use. I'm going to see how far the "less is more" approach takes me, only taking it a few times a week and observing the subtle effects. It's recommended that one cycle off it for 2-3 days a week anyways, so I'm going to keep that in mind and keep my use to weekdays, which is when a cognitive boost is needed regardless. Very interesting compound, it also helps that I'm in a better physical and mental state than when I first started with it. Have my gluten-free diet down pat, and eliminated almost all lactose which is the less alarming intolerance anyways. Feels soo damn good to be in a good state both physically and mentally, it's honestly been years since I felt like this. Noots FTW!
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DwayneHoover
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There's no evidence that lecithin has any effect on estrogen/testosterone balance. That's a presupposition based on it coming from Soy. Google "lecithin testosterone" and there's no significant evidence for that. AND there's a study explicitly stating that
Lack of association between plasma lecithin: cholesterol acyltransferase concentration and plasma sex hormone concentrations in men
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...4d81e4f414b8bed27a4109eaafdca0a6&searchtype=a
Of course, that's PLASMA lecithin... ingested it COULD act differently, but again, no evidence I've seen for any effect.
Do you have a link to any actual research?
Can someone look at my list and please give me constructive criticisism
Piracetam 500 mg a day.
Hydergine 2.5mg a day.
Dmae 300 mg a day.
Lechithin 1200mg a day.
Omega 3/6/9 from wild salmon
Berry complex
Nature source mvi
Gingko complex
Immune defense.( does this work )
Thank you.
Piracetam 500 mg a day.
Hydergine 2.5mg a day.
Dmae 300 mg a day.
Lechithin 1200mg a day.
Omega 3/6/9 from wild salmon
Berry complex
Nature source mvi
Gingko complex
Immune defense.( does this work )
Thank you.
delta_9
Bluelighter
2g at least as your current choline source is poor.
Omegas 6 and 9 are non essential. You likely get plenty from your diet. Use a
molecularly distilled high EPA/DHA fish oil instead.
Doses of DMAE greater than 150mg gave me bad headaches. Centrophenoxine is a far superior choline donator.
Do not take hydergine daily. Prolongued use of mixed ergoloids in hydergine has been linked to pleural and peritoneal fibrosis, as well as cardiac valvular fibrosis. I'll try to find a source if you'd like.
What berries? And furthermore why not just eat the berries? You will save a lot of money by doing so and not to mention get some extra fiber and kCals.
It depends on what is in it.
I don't know what this is.
Consider adding 4,000-5,000IU Vitamin D3 & 45-50ug Vitamin K2 as well.
atara
Bluelighter
Incidentally lecithin is also found in eggs among many many other foods; soy is merely cheaper. Soy itself does not affect hormone levels:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.fertnstert.2009.04.038
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