The Big & Dandy Methoxyketamine Thread

[Twigs]

I insufflated 25 mg of this last weekend, just to get a feeler. It really felt a lot like ketamine exept it was maybe ~50% less potent, give or take.

This weekend I'll try some larger doses, and report back.

Considering it costs half to one third of ketamine were I live it seems actually worth it. It's absolutely active anyway.

Sounds good. How bad on the nose is it? I found NEK to be very rough, so I hope this will be better.

 

[Incunabula]

Sounds good. How bad on the nose is it? I found NEK to be very rough, so I hope this will be better.

it stung a little bit. Not bad at all.

 

[crOOk]

I couldn't feel much of 12.5mg racemic ketamine tbh. I don't even I would have during my first trials with racemic k... Either you're extremely light weight or you are actually judging the substance by threshold effects, calling it "worth the money"? I really hope noone gets the idea here that he needs 25mg of this stuff for a trip and his putting down his hard earned money cause of such an anecdote.

 

[psood0nym]

After trying 2-MeO-ketamine a number of times with MXE I've become convinced of a significant qualitative change toward "ketamine-ness" (even though I didn't feel much at 50 mg alone) from MXE alone, and I liked the difference enough to buy a little more. Though I've never used MXE with ketamine, and 2-MeO costs more than I've ever paid for ketamine bought in significant quantaties, with MXE it's more euphoric to me than ketamine at "sub-hole" doses by itself. I can't judge the potency with respect to ketamine because I have an MXE tolerance and the ketamine I have access to I'm saving for when my dissociative tolerance goes down.

I agree that if someone has a convenient ketamine supply to not bother, and also agree about the rarity of s-isomer ketamine. Ketanest S is the only name brand that I know of that advertises that it's s-isomer. If you're not paying more for it it's almost certainly not s, as it costs substantially more to make whether it's from diverted Ketanest S or custom illicit synthesis.

Subjective experience is enormously unreliable, especially with a drug that dulls sensation. I personally wouldn't believe I had S unless it both felt different AND came from a supplier with a long and truly impeccable reputation or it said" Ketanest S" on a virgin vial I could match with a company photo. I see no objective reason whatsoever to believe that different companys' ketamine is of different ratios. Everything points to it being all very close to 50:50 S:R, and if it's not 50:50 then it's not a consistent ratio between any individual company's batches (meaning again, effectively, no difference) or else they would advertise it since S is considered more potent and can fetch a higher price. IMO all claims about ratios between brands that are not Ketanest S owe to natural variation in qualitative subjective "propensities" during the time one is in possession of a limited quantity of a certain brand and other times, what dealers say to sell it or jack up the price (or have themselves been told), and expectation bias.

Don't get ripped off.

 

[Incunabula]

I couldn't feel much of 12.5mg racemic ketamine tbh. I don't even I would have during my first trials with racemic k... Either you're extremely light weight or you are actually judging the substance by threshold effects, calling it "worth the money"? I really hope noone gets the idea here that he needs 25mg of this stuff for a trip and his putting down his hard earned money cause of such an anecdote.

Then you've had bad ketamine, my freind. 10-15 mg of ketamine is definitely off baseline. it's a small bump and how you take k when you do it recreationaly at clubs and raves, and not to be off your face. Of cause the bumps very quickly turns into lines. We all know that.

personaly I never developed any disso tolerance because I always took long breaks between using dissos, and never did them that much.

Yeah, I say it's active because of treshold effects. I thought that was clear from my post. If not I apologize.

I say "worth the money", because regular ketamine is 3 times the price were I live, compared to what I paid for 2-meo-deschloro-ketamine.

It's probably not worth it if you live anywere else in europe or US.

That said, There's only one vendor I'd buy it from, and it's not a UK vendor. Know you sources people, because the market is bound to be flooded with fake shit, like when MXE came out.

 

[Transform]

I have s-isomer ketamine and 10mg is just off baseline but rather subtle. I wouldn't bother with less than 25mg unless I was on something else, and I have no tolerance.

 

[Incunabula]

Sure okay, fine. Whatever.

Normaly when I take ketamine I never weigh it out. I just estimate the dose visually. I always start with a small bump and during the night the bumps get bigger and they can sometimes almost be called small lines. But I don't how many mg are in there.

When I took the 2-MDCK I weighed it out on my scale because I wanted to know precisely how much it was. Visually it looked like double of what I would take for starters if it was ketamine, but gave about the same effects.

Which is why I said approximately 50 % the potency. (~ this symbol can be used for approximately, in case somebody don't know)

it should be obvious to any one that this is just my best guesstimate from one very small line.

The point of my post was just to say that it was clearly descernible from baseline for me at that dose!

Am I making myself clear?

I bought a gram, so I will be trying some larger lines this weekend. Don't think I'm going to report back though since this thread seems to be full of nitpicky germans.

 

[0llusion]

Wow this seems to have crawled back into the woodwork. One minute a lot of vendors saying its right around the corner next minute the name of the substance has vanished from their product lists. Is there a reason for this? i.e was it found to be illegal/ bunk etc?

 

[Phoenix_rising]

The reason is that it`s totally shit...Nuff said.

 

[IamMe90]

Sure okay, fine. Whatever.

Normaly when I take ketamine I never weigh it out. I just estimate the dose visually. I always start with a small bump and during the night the bumps get bigger and they can sometimes almost be called small lines. But I don't how many mg are in there.

When I took the 2-MDCK I weighed it out on my scale because I wanted to know precisely how much it was. Visually it looked like double of what I would take for starters if it was ketamine, but gave about the same effects.

Which is why I said approximately 50 % the potency. (~ this symbol can be used for approximately, in case somebody don't know)

it should be obvious to any one that this is just my best guesstimate from one very small line.

The point of my post was just to say that it was clearly descernible from baseline for me at that dose!

Am I making myself clear?

I bought a gram, so I will be trying some larger lines this weekend. Don't think I'm going to report back though since this thread seems to be full of nitpicky germans.

Dude you need to chill. It's just some ppl on the internet posting their opinion. No need to get upset.

 

[wayab]

Dude you need to chill. It's just some ppl on the internet posting their opinion. No need to get upset.

^ that
+ it would be nice if you could share your further experiments

 

[Incunabula]

Dude you need to chill. It's just some ppl on the internet posting their opinion. No need to get upset.

Lol I know. I'm done being offended now

I railed 200 mg yesterday. 4 lines in the space of an hour. Actually 2 of them was only spaced apart by 10 minutes.

The funny thing is that it never took of. It was just the same tresold effects as I got from 25 mg 8)

I agree with rising phoenix, 2-methoxy-descloro-ketamine is shit. And no matter how cheap it is, it's stil shit.

 

[crOOk]

Lol I know. I'm done being offended now

I railed 200 mg yesterday. 4 lines in the space of an hour. Actually 2 of them was only spaced apart by 10 minutes.

The funny thing is that it never took of. It was just the same tresold effects as I got from 25 mg 8)

I agree with rising phoenix, 2-methoxy-descloro-ketamine is shit. And no matter how cheap it is, it's stil shit.

I'm sorry I doubted your credibility. I only take ket from pharm sources btw and have definitely never taken any at a rave. ;P I know there are effects off that dose, but surely not enough to judge a substance for it's qualities as a dissociative.

 

[Incunabula]

I'm sorry I doubted your credibility. I only take ket from pharm sources btw and have definitely never taken any at a rave. ;P I know there are effects off that dose, but surely not enough to judge a substance for it's qualities as a dissociative.

Yes, you're right. I couldn't judge it's qualities as a dissociative from 25 mg.

2-methoxy-ket really is worthless.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

I guess there must be a reason Parke-Davis used the name ketamine for ketamine and not for one of its close analogues. if only we knew about their orginal research... (also see here)

anyways, I am really puzzled about the ARC SAR now after ingesting all those compounds...

EDIT: I have sampled all compounds mentioned, and both NENK and 2-MeO-K seem to be much weaker than regular K. how can it be...?

EDIT2: yes, I am just a poor lab mouse, but I really trust my vendors to have delivered pure samples of all compounds mentioned...

EDIT3: for the german-speakers, click here: http://www.drogen-forum.net/index.php?/topic/5539-methoxetamine/page__view__findpost__p__557218

 

[ShaggyFin]

So I became interested in MXE at first because I thought it would be like rolling, but now because it seems like it would be a good opiate alternative and I used to enjoy the occasional bottle of Hydrocodone when I was younger. But since the UK ban MXE seems to be hard to find... So I have a few questions:

1) Is 2-Meo-K the "new MXE"?

2) What is the dosage like in comparison?

3) Is 2-meo PURELY a K alternative, or does it have an opium like "buzz". Meaning: Is it at all comparable to the "mellow" felling of morphine? Or the "floaty" feeling of codone? Or the "warm embrace" of dilaudid? (sorry I don't know how to spell "Di-La-Did")

4) What would you say about taking it at a rave?

5) How is it in a setting of 5-15 ppl?

 

[crOOk]

So I became interested in MXE at first because I thought it would be like rolling, but now because it seems like it would be a good opiate alternative and I used to enjoy the occasional bottle of Hydrocodone when I was younger. But since the UK ban MXE seems to be hard to find... So I have a few questions:

1) Is 2-Meo-K the "new MXE"?

2) What is the dosage like in comparison?

3) Is 2-meo PURELY a K alternative, or does it have an opium like "buzz". Meaning: Is it at all comparable to the "mellow" felling of morphine? Or the "floaty" feeling of codone? Or the "warm embrace" of dilaudid? (sorry I don't know how to spell "Di-La-Did")

4) What would you say about taking it at a rave?

5) How is it in a setting of 5-15 ppl?

1) Marketing wise, it's supposed to be. Neither is a real gem of a dissociative, but 2-MeO-K seems to be inferior even to MXE.
2) I don't think you can reach full blown dissociation with 2-MeO-K. The threshold is reached at slightly higher dosages than that of MXE, but above that it doesn't seem to have much to offer at all.
3) Imho MXE is even colder than Ketamine. Neither has ever brought on anything I'd even remotely compare to a warm and fuzzy opiate nod. Both get the job done when it comes to escaping reality though. 2-MeO doesn't seem to do so well in that respect either.
4) I'd personally never do it because it would A weaken my memory of the event, B impair my ability to communicate and stay oriented. All dissociatives also makes you look like a total zombie, so if you're paranoid of being checked up by the authorities that might be a minus. In low doses though they can be immensely powerful boosters of both serotonergic empathogens and psychedelics and also stimulants to a lesser degree!
5) I personally have always enjoyed doing full-blown dissociatives in a group. Once you "return to the room" you'll spend some time figuring out whose leg is lying across your chest or the like. :D I strongly doubt 2-MeO-Ketamine would get you anywhere close to such a level of dissociation. It will probably just make it much harder to communicate.

If you're looking for a worthwhile dissociative, try scoring some genuine PCP and smoke dat shit!

 

[Halif]

I've had trouble finding an answer to my question because there's a lot of mixed up info in this thread (and others on different forums) concerning potency and types of actual ketamine, the genuineness of people's 2-meo-ketamine samples, the naming of this and other similar dissociatives, and various other things...

So, sorry if it's been answered already.

My question: Does anyone have first hand experience with taking 2-meo-ketamine orally to good (or even just decent) effect?

I have a fairly large tolerance to MXE, so snorting 2-meo-ketamine is annoying for me. I can't handle 300mg of powder up my nose for very limited effect, and I'd like to try taking it orally because I still have about a gram sitting around.

I don't mind subtle dissociatives - in fact, I like them very much in certain situations. It's just that, as I said, putting loads of powder in my nose is unpleasant.

Thanks in advance for any feedback

 

[wayab]

there was one report i think about 500mg orally to no effect. my intiution also says it won't work very well but if you don't what to snort it why not try any way - your case might be diffrent. You could also try part sublingual/part oral.

 

[Halif]

Thanks wayab


Yep, I think I'll just give it a try and see what happens.

I've got about 800mg, so I might just try:

1. swallowing 400mg with water

2. using the other 400mg by making an alcohol solution with as little liquid as possible and holding that shit in my mouth for as long as I can handle



MXE seems to be getting harder to find so I've dug up the 'bottom of the drawer' stuff (literally the stuff that I've long forgotten about sitting in my bottom drawer) that's been lying around for a while. I found a bit of this and that, and it reminded me of what I liked and loathed about certain dissociatives... I had a trip down memory lane thinking about the old times with various RCs...

I actually liked the effects of NENK (or NEK or whatever people eventually decided to call it). Obviously though it would have been the financial death of me if I'd wanted to use it on a semi-regular basis due to its high cost and low potency.

4-MeO-PCP had its moments, but for some reason I recall having very unpredictable experiences with it (I mean even dosing from the same batch). Some good times, some average times, and some pretty awful times too.

Anyway, I'll get back on here when my two tests have been done.