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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 6th Dose (now you've gone and used it all up)

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It's benign in the way that we haven't heard heavy users of MXE complain of any common, lingering side effect. At least yet. Unless you count the psychological changes that it can apparently lead to, i.e. increased self confidence and motivation.
Also there are pretty much no withdrawals. I get heavier withdrawals from a month of daily cannabis use than from a month of daily MXE use.

I'm considering doing 1 mg of etizolam today before I start with the MXE to see how they combine.
I take it that it's a pretty common combination.
 
So i gave this one last try.

I really dont see the magic in this, its actually a pretty boring high alone.
 
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It's benign in the way that we haven't heard heavy users of MXE complain of any common, lingering side effect. At least yet. Unless you count the psychological changes that it can apparently lead to, i.e. increased self confidence and motivation.
Also there are pretty much no withdrawals. I get heavier withdrawals from a month of daily cannabis use than from a month of daily MXE use.
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Yeah, I don't get withdrawls from MXE except maybe staying in bed an extra hour or two on the 1st day without any. After that it's back to normal.

It seems the psychological changes of increased self-motivation and confidence are a common effect of the drug. If you use it regularly, with reasonably doses (I'm talking low doses that act more as a "life enhancer" than a "life detacher") I feel like, at least for people with relatively healthy minds to begin with, this will be the result.

I would not assume that just because people are enjoying a drug and continue to use it for positive effects on their lives, that they are all suffering from addiction and don't even realize it.

Are there any people in the world addicted to MXE? I'm sure there are, people can get addicted to just about any damn thing, really. But I would say the vast majority of MXE users are very much in control of their use. Be that using once a week or daily, they have made that choice based on how often using it benefits them (and how much they want to spend on it).

Even people who do get addicted to MXE have easily broken the cycle of addiction because MXE has a way of changing your mind to let yourself know that it's not acceptable to be addicted to anything... even MXE.

This is why, even though I really do like using it in 20-40mg insufflated doses throughout the day, I take a couple weeks off and cycle my use. I have actually cycled my use down in the last few months, and am working on better maintaining that "enhanced, proactive" state of mind without the drug.

Somebody in the other thread said I'm being delusional about my use and asked if I ever read John. C. Lilly. Yes, it's called Self Meta-Reprogramming. And that's what I'm doing. And that's what I've been doing since I ever ate my first tab of LSD like 12 years ago. The difference is, now I have a much improved tool for the job.

If John C Lilly could have had MXE instead of Ketamine, I'm pretty sure he never would have gone crazy and would be considered one of the great geniuses of the last century. People wouldn't be linking his legacy with drugs, because most people wouldn't have even been able to tell ;)
 
MXE definitely is psychologically addictive in the same way as Cocaine is,so many reward centres are lit up in the mind that it`s almost impossible not to get addicted,that is unless you choose not to let it get you in that way,but if you are of that dissposition then i would say it`s a certainty that you will feel compulsed to take it.

I feel that MXE is one of the least toxic drugs out there,but not the least dangerous,the danger lying in it`s ability to subtley take you into a state of mania or psychosis without realising it,to those that are not experienced in the altered states of the mind or those who have psychological problems that they don`t yet understand then MXE could prove rather counterproductive.
I find it difficult or at least challenging to decipher between truely spiritual and deeply psychological changes that MXE brings to those which are just forms of mania.MXE is for me a real wonder drug.
 
Definitely has the potential for psychological addiction for me. I'm currently taking a little break from it after using my first gram in about a month of primarily weekend use. I found using it on week nights to be a mistake more often than not. (Only because I don't like driving in the morning after state, and occasional dehydration-induced headaches impacting my work if I'm bad and don't drink enough water. Alas, because it's fantastic as a painkiller that next morning; I can actually get up and start my day without my normal shoulder pain, and since it's usually worse in the morning, even after that effect has worn off it seems overall better. Waking up without pain made a wonder of difference to my mood on those days I did take it on a work night, so I'd be curious if anyone has found sub-intoxicating doses or doses that have no mental effect the next morning to have the same lingering effect on pain.)

The break, however, is from all substances, not necessarily because of this drug in particular or any negative experience, because I need to focus and work during my weekends for a while. Regardless, the cravings are certainly there.

I also don't have any in the house. Will be interesting to see how not using for a period of time will go when I do have some some lying around, since an order of it should arrive to me eventually. I've found that making deals with myself is a fairly good way to control use, or at least assure productivity even when use is frequent - "ok self, if I finish X by the end of next week I can trip", "ok self, I can only have cigs on days I also Y", and making sure that it's an adequate bar to pass - not impossible otherwise I'll just cheat, but something that I do legitimately want or need to get done. I'm a terrible procrastinator and perfectionist, and using drugs as a reward is probably a terrible, terrible idea, but it seems to more or less work for me. Especially since even if I don't have drugs to use, it's no guarantee that I'll actually spend my time doing what I need to do.
 
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So I had my first "M hole" last night, very interesting experience. Unforunately I don't know my dosage as I forgot a large amount of the experience, including the time I was measuring out doses and taking them.. I just seem to remember weighing out quite a few, and also using: Sublingual, oral, AND insufflation. I remember comfortably floating about a foot off my bed and watching the intro to Koyaanisqatsi, utterly blown away by how amazing it was :D
 
Ketamine to me is the perfect drug of recreation. Why do so many people like MXE more? I found it to be pretty worthless. And why do people say the effects are similar? I've only noticed slight similarities, but not nearly enough to call them similar. What dose do you need to really make MXE shine?
 
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Ketamine to me is the perfect drug of recreation. Why do so many people like MXE more? I found it to be pretty worthless. And why do people say the effects are similar? I've only noticed slight similarities, but not nearly enough to call them similar. What dose do you need to really make MXE shine?
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I'm not really aware of anyone saying MXE and ketamine are similar. MXE shines brightly at all doses, but for a non-tolerant person, I'd say the border to the ether lies around 40mg sublingual.
 
Yeah? At 40 mg for a non tolerant person, is the right environment really that important? Do you need a trip sitter? Is this the kind of drug where you might do something stupid and get yourself into trouble, or are you pretty aware of what's going on? I think I've only done 20mg insufflated at most, and never was it very impressive. I just found myself wishing I had ketamine. Also, MXE and alcohol don't seem to go very well together.
 
At 40mg sublingual I personally would like to have a companion more-so than a sitter. It isn't the most 'out-there' experience possible, but you'll want to have a friend to touch base with as things will definitely start getting weird and your mind will start to think in some strange, lateral ways.
 
Ha... I watched some of Koyaanusqatsi when I was near an M-hole dose one time....seemed pretty epic, some time I'lll watch the whole thing. And yes I have forgotten alot of some of my high dose experiences.

However no audio/visual experience I have had on an M-hole has compared to my first M-hole watching "Enter The Void" and and a little bit of 2c-e, it is amazing as others have said. The movie is basically designed to be a sort of dissociative experience in and of itself, viewing the world through the brain of the characters in the film, and there are many OBE sequences. The MXE really made me become lost in the film within a few minutes of it beginning, I was caught up in every moment of the movie, never analyzing it as I would have done sober, it felt so incredibly seamless, like a dream (I di. I was almost in the movie, easily forgetting that I was watching a film on my laptop while lying in bed.

By the end of the film I was overwhelmed and a little confused and I was associating many elements of the main character with myself still, I had not quite come back to the real world for a bit. There was definitely a mental component that slightly enabled delusion though I have rarely experienced much confusion on MXE.

On a side note Noopept (probably similarly to piracetam) really dulls much of the effects of MXE.
I had taken 40mg noopept and 150mg alpha gpc in the morning, and then 14hr (3 hours earlier I snorted 0.5mg etizolam) later I had 50mg sublingual MXE, and 50 snorted 45min later, along with ~8-10mg sublingual 2c-e. I didn't feel sober, in fact I felt great, but almost sober in my thought processes (and the body high was mild as well), It was relatively mild throughout the experience but it was more enjoyable when jwh-250 was added.
I admit the etizolam may have played a role in the weakness of the effects, but it did not get much stronger as the etizolam should have worn off.
 
The last time we tried MXE, we did 5 mg sublingually just looking for an uplift in mood. We barely felt a head change. Then about an hour and a half or so later, having pretty much forgotten we did any MXE, we decided to smoke some 5-meo-dalt out of a shit pipe (something we've all done many times for enjoyment and for some quick tryptamine love). We had the normal 5-meo-dalt peak, but instead of it wearing off and completely coming down after a few minutes, the 5-meo-dalt trip continued for around an hour. I enjoyed it very much, but my friend was freaking out a bit, which made me feel on the verge of freaking out. Watching his screen saver was pretty amazing. I guess MXE can be quite a potentiator.
 
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Koyaanisqatsi is amazing on MXE. It's entirely immersive and really triggers/fits well with what I personally characterize as a dissociative trip: the feeling of being able to see the whole world, in micro and macro, and recognize the patterns and repetitions that form everything and the slight variations that create different events and move Existence and Experience forward. (I suppose I classify/associate that with dissociatives, because while I haven't gotten it really strongly on other psychs, it's the biggest characteristic of strong nitrous trips. My most intense nitrous dose put me both completely outside but still a component of those patterns, and thus able to analyze them and see how they morphed. I was out of 'reality' and couldn't communicate to those with me at all, I couldn't influence the patterns, just observe them. It was both the most euphoric and... I don't know how to describe it, something akin to despair, something like being in hell: when I thought I had everything figured out, the root of the pattern solved, I thought I was in a sort of linguistic hell. But then I realized I could accept that, be there, and still experience what I would call a constant mental orgasm because of the power to discover, learn, and gain knowledge. Tangent aside, I haven't had the chance to try ketamine or PCP, so it may be premature to classify that as a dissociative trip overall, but just through the ones I've had.)

Next time I do take some I think I want to try watching some How It's Made videos, primarily for the intense machinery that manufactures things and how it all works precisely together; I think it would have a similar effect as Koyaanisqatsi towards launching that mindset.


Moonshake, I quite want to watch Enter the Void on MXE. I haven't seen it at all yet, but I like Noe's work. I was tempted a while ago to re-watch Irreversible by the same director while on it, and I think I will sometime, but it's such a dark, disturbing (albeit fascinating) film that I want to be prepared to take care of myself mentally because I think it would likely lead to a pretty dark trip.


And Toast, I'd say that environment and mindset going into it is really pretty important. I've also found that kind of sitting around waiting for the drug to take you somewhere doesn't really work as well: having something to trigger mindsets you want to explore or something like a game or movie or music (possibly even a book if you can focus your eyes well enough) you can gradually let yourself become entirely immersed in in a positive way is quite helpful towards having a good time and getting the most out of it. Or having something to do as a focus. One MXE trip I dug out some paper and colored pencils and went back and forth between drawing an abstract 'seascape' and writing down phrases as they came to my mind, separating links by changing to a different color. And that was a marvelous time.
 
WOAH!!!!!! the differences between batches are outrageous!!!

I got some proper MXE, from a recommended source (dont pm me). Its much more wobbly and in my face, than another source. 45mg is hitting me quiet good, too good (need to work tonight)! ahaha

Def its better to invest in quality MXE than going for the dirty cheap ones.

PS: DARI action more pronounce ! After now I will always consider the quality and purity of chems that I get play a major role in effects profile.
 
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yeah the different batches make so much difference, ive had 4 or 5 different batches before and they were all fairly different in certain ways. some of them are less numbing, among other things
 
Taking MXE at Christmastime reminds me so much of taking MXE at Christmastime last year. Feels like nothing has changed except for the tolerance.
 
MXE seems to dig up memorys so well, few weeks ago when on MXE i felt like a younger version of myself at christmas, all excited, full on dug up some old lovely christmassy feelings, memorys and emotions, was really nice. brought the child-like feeling of christmas straight back
 
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WOAH!!!!!! the differences between batches are outrageous!!!
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Yeah, be careful where you buy your "methoxetamine". I've read that a lot of vendors have been selling tiletamine analogues and other NMDA antagonists as "MXE", just to cash in on the current MXE craze.

Another possibility is that your previous batch was deliberately cut. Either way, something fishy is going on, because variations in potency that drastic don't come from just a sloppy synth at the lab. I recommend that you warn anyone you know that may be considering purchasing from that vendor.
 
Im with applecore on this one,shady vendors who are out to make a quick buck at the sake of their punters is just bloody dissgraceful,but it`s nothing new,been going on since day one,but it would still be nice to see these arseholes removed or discredited for the saftey of researchers.

Many of the vendors are selling the same product,the same strength and purity,those that seller it cheaper choose to do so,not because it`s adulterated or inferior,they just take smaller profits,others believe that they warrent a higher price and choose to sell it that much dearer...At the end of the day it`s your choice,but please don`t be fooled by the bullshit selling tactics and ploys that many use in their competition.
 
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