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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 4th Dose (don't overdose)

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I thought I'd add plugging to the MXE time/intensity chart. It's noticeably different to both sub-lingual and insufflation in terms of both duration and intensity. Also tried to add a timescale that applies to all three ROAs, just to put things in perspective. I think people ought to add IV and IM to the chart if they have enough experience with either, just to create a more concise chart. Kudos to Basement Shaman for taking the time to come up with the original btw.

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Basically I find that the first signs of MXE hit after 3-5 minutes. However, by about the 10 minute mark you get almost instantaneously catapulted to the most intense part of the experience. It's so fast you often can't comprehend what is going on, you lose your sanity faster than you can claw at the remains. Depending on the size of the dose, the plateau can last between 30 minutes to 2 hours or more (anything longer than 2 hours would be the result of a heroic dose). The plateau then subsides to a lower level for a short duration. This is where all the notions of 'rebirth' and 'awakening' tend to happen, as you begin to gather a vague sense of ego. From there it's a slow, gentle return to baseline that usually lasts a good 6-8 hours. This part is usually the least fun, as everything becomes less wonderful as the minutes go by, and you just want to regain basic functionality.

Bear in mind this is from my own experiences, typical plugged doses of 50-100mg.

Fascinating that plugged is THAT much better in your opinion. I have yet to try it because I don't have a syringe for the administration. Can I put it in a gelcap and use that as a suppository, only yielding a delayed onset?

I disagree with your timescale though (can't speak for rectal, but at least for nasal and sublingual). For me, the nasal peak is at 1H (just as on your timescale), but the peak lasts until 2½/3 H, and then there's a one hour comedown followed by several hours of slowly diminishing after-effects. It seems that you are suggesting that most of the effects disappear after less than two hours from administration in the case of all three of the ROAs.

Anybody with IM, IV and oral experience are extremely encouraged to edit the image with more information! I'll try oral myself for the first time tomorrow. I hear it's pretty hit and miss, depending on the person. I've heard of people getting NO effects from 30 mg oral, and people saying it's more potent than nasal and sublingual. I'll try 30 mg and see how it goes. For now I'm enjoying the remnants of these 11 mg aMT (dosed 14 hours ago, holy fuck this lasts a long time) and chillin' with some red wine.
 
Fascinating that plugged is THAT much better in your opinion. I have yet to try it because I don't have a syringe for the administration. Can I put it in a gelcap and use that as a suppository, only yielding a delayed onset?

I disagree with your timescale though (can't speak for rectal, but at least for nasal and sublingual). For me, the nasal peak is at 1H (just as on your timescale), but the peak lasts until 2½/3 H, and then there's a one hour comedown followed by several hours of slowly diminishing after-effects. It seems that you are suggesting that most of the effects disappear after less than two hours from administration in the case of all three of the ROAs.

Anybody with IM, IV and oral experience are extremely encouraged to edit the image with more information! I'll try oral myself for the first time tomorrow. I hear it's pretty hit and miss, depending on the person. I've heard of people getting NO effects from 30 mg oral, and people saying it's more potent than nasal and sublingual. I'll try 30 mg and see how it goes. For now I'm enjoying the remnants of these 11 mg aMT (dosed 14 hours ago, holy fuck this lasts a long time) and chillin' with some red wine.

basement_shaman: I'd like to add something to intramuscular administration:

about 3 minutes: seems to start; quick onset of scattered thoughts, change in body perception, etc.

30 mins: gets pretty strong, not peaked yet; impressive mind trip, quite difficult to regain awareness of body.

80 mins: the effects seem to have plateaued already and slowly subside; trying to recollect and document the main themes of the trip: having seemingly profound insight into the structures of the psyche, feeling the connection to a vast network of consciousness,...

100 mins: effects fade rather slowly; noticing the diuretic effects, able to get out of bed relatively easily and have a smoke, body perception still distorted but in control, extreme time dilation,...

then after 5 hours of sleep for sure back to baseline.

I'm sorry that the time-line isn't that detailed/accurate, it wasn't the subject of the test. I'd say the peak is about 45-55 mins.
One more problem is that there is very limited data about IM I can share, someone with more experience may chime in.

What are your thoughts about the wavy curves intranasal ROA produces?
 
basement_shaman: I'd like to add something to intramuscular administration:

about 3 minutes: seems to start; quick onset of scattered thoughts, change in body perception, etc.

30 mins: gets pretty strong, not peaked yet; impressive mind trip, quite difficult to regain awareness of body.

80 mins: the effects seem to have plateaued already and slowly subside; trying to recollect and document the main themes of the trip: having seemingly profound insight into the structures of the psyche, feeling the connection to a vast network of consciousness,...

100 mins: effects fade rather slowly; noticing the diuretic effects, able to get out of bed relatively easily and have a smoke, body perception still distorted but in control, extreme time dilation,...

then after 5 hours of sleep for sure back to baseline.

I'm sorry that the time-line isn't that detailed/accurate, it wasn't the subject of the test. I'd say the peak is about 45-55 mins.
One more problem is that there is very limited data about IM I can share, someone with more experience may chime in.

What are your thoughts about the wavy curves intranasal ROA produces?

Thanks for your input on the timescale for IM! I'll edit the image when I come home later today.
Hm, cool. I had expected IM to come on faster, actually. I've gotta get a syringe and test this out sometime.

About the wavy intranasal curves, it seems likely to me that, just as someone else hypothesized on the previous page I think, it is caused by the periodic drip. Especially the very first time I did MXE, it felt as though the experience intensified a bit every time a few minutes had passed from me swallowing some of the drip. I wish I had some way to know if this is what's happening for sure. I suppose you could try doing a staggered oral dose, and compare it to intranasal?
There definitely IS some absorption going on in the sinuses though, since you can feel threshold effects of the MXE just a couple of minutes after snorting it, and there is not drip before at least 5-10 minutes after snorting, in my experience at least.

I look forward to keep experimenting with this tonight. I have realized that the two grams I got actually is a lot. My 500 mg lasted me about three or four weeks, so I expect to learn a lot from experimenting with these two entire grams.

I tried a low dose of aMT yesterday (11 mg) and it was great. Like a weak roll all day. I dosed at 10 am and I am still feeling a mild afterglow now, and it's friggin' 24 hours 50 minutes since dosing, with 7 hours of sleep in-between!
Next week when my aMT tolerance has disappeared I'll try combining it with MXE at the tail end of the aMT experience, since I have heard so much good about that combo, both here, in the previous instances of the thread, and in the MXE combo thread.
 
Well it was me on the previous page, so we're just 2 with that drip-observation.

Yes, the quick onset indicates absorption in the nasal cavity for sure. I figured the diffusion of the substance through the membranes up there into the bloodstream could be a rather potent but slow one and reaches the maximal value (i.e. constant flow of molecules per time) quickly. That would account for the rapid onset.
Then after some time the drip occurs and, if swallowed, would produce the waves. I could imagine that a big portion of the substance is present in the drip (I'd say the taste is strong) and because of lower oral bioavailability results in the not-too-strong-but-noticeable spikes that are added onto the steadily increasing intensity-curve that is resulting from the nasal absorption. But that is mere speculation.

I'd really like to figure out a set of tests. Interesting would be:

Some single oral dosings with different concentrations of the solution to find out about potency and time of onset.
As you said, staggered oral doses.
Insufflated doses and spitting out the drip.

I have the same impression about how long it lasts. Haven't used more than 500 mgs in 6 months.
 
Last night i did around 40mg sublingual, everything was going sweet until i decided to get the weed out and hit the bong. Heart started racing and was feeling faint. My breathing was also shallow, it felt slightly dangerous but it was probably a panic attack. I was suprised as i havnt experianced anxiety from MXE before. This lasted about an hour.

Can anyone tell me what this chemical does to your blood pressure, does it raise it or lower it?

Had pretty much the same dose tonight as i did yesterday just without the cannabis and feel fine...

I had exactly the same issue. couldnt sleep after a high dose of mxe so decided to light up a spliff. fuck me, I literally thought I was gonna die. My heart was banging so hard it felt like just one continuous beat. seriously scary stuff man
 
People should just stop mixing MXE with other drugs. It seems that the effects are very inconsistent between users and personally I wouldn't go there. Have had heartproblems on MXE once where my dose was 45mg. Felt like I was fainting and my heartbeat was fast and shallow. So it might be dangerous to do stims and other drugs such as cannabis that elevate your heartrate.

Does anyone have stats on their bloodpressure and heartrate while on MXE?
 
Its strange though as it does not give the typical vasoconstriction signs, ie blue hands, coldness etc like certain stims give you. However i think the shallow breathing reported is a typical sign of low blood pressure, can anyone confirm this?
 
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Fascinating that plugged is THAT much better in your opinion. I have yet to try it because I don't have a syringe for the administration. Can I put it in a gelcap and use that as a suppository, only yielding a delayed onset?

I'm sure that would work fine. The only variable that could change is the fact that you won't be exposed to all of the MXE at once, meaning the come-up will probably be slower and gentler. Intensity shouldn't really be affected however.

I did the timeline best I could, but I realised the sublingual/insufflation graph didn't really fit for plugging. Would be best to start anew, with more results accumulated.
 
I smoke weed all the time and my eyes never turn red. But even on the smallest dose of MXE if i take a couple hits of weed my eyes get so red.
Im not sure why that happens.

And i love taking 10-20mg early in the day on a weekend or something and then forgetting im on anything as its such a small dose and so gentle, but then ill smoke a bowl and start tripping. :) <3
 
I have to smoke a tiny fraction of what i normally smoke when i'm on MXE, or else i'll end up in hell. I've been attacked by demons after smoking DMT on ayahuasca, and MXE + cannabis/cannabinoids can come close to that terror. Give me all your tryptamines when i'm on MXE, and i'll finish them with a smile, but don't you threat me with that joint! 8o
 
^ Anyone else experience this DYSergy (opposite of "Synergy".... I just thought I made it up but turns out its already a real word, cool, makes perfect sense) between MXE and weed? I cant begin to imagine why that might happen and I never heard one other person in this entire multi year 11 page thread (though I might have missed it) mention it. From the descriptions of the effects, it sure sounds like a little weed would be GRRRRREAT! on it.

Oh wait, you said a LITTLE is cool, but just use way less than usual. Anyway, any other reports on the effects of getting stoned while MXEllerating? (now I did just make that word up, haha :) Call Websters!)

Lets see, I also heard it can make you feel sorta confusified for several hours (not good if you have an intellectually demanding job to go to the next morning?), and that it destroys libido. Yes? No?

(Yea, I just came across a little to play with, so I am wondering about all such things... 20mg sound like a reasonable Starter Dose? Enough to defnitely feel the effects but definitely not be overwhelmed? Correct or no?)
 
^ there were several people stating that they did not enjoy it with weed in the (i think) 3rd Dose thread...

there isn't much of a hangover if you get a good night's sleep (and remember you need about 6 hours after dosing before you're good to sleep even tho the dissosciation ends after about 3)

20 mg should be fine for a a first time. I took 25 the first time and ended up taking another 50 about 2 hours later. There was no dysphoria but but i found hard to move / understand reality.
 
It does the opposite of destroy libido for me.
Makes me fuck like a porn star.

20mg is a good dose to start with. You should feel first effects within 30 minutes and it will keep building and changing character as the trip progresses.
 
^ really delsyd? lucky cnut, i am stuck trying to work with a dead fish. really annoys the gf lol.

I already mentioned it elsewhere, but if you smoke weed on mxe smoke the tiniest amount. Just one or two tokes on a spliff. im not jokin. I smoked about a quarter of a spliff and literally felt like my heart was gonna explode. The room and everything in it started to spin, but not as one, as individuals. like my lamp was spiralling, my pc screen was spiralling etc etc.


was horrilbe
 
MXE is very forgiving. Not advocating idiocy as it will knock you rigid if you play too hard, but play with it and see what you enjoy.

Love it! :D
 
I certainly find this stuff to be an anaphrodisiac. YMMV. 20mg sounds like a reasonable starter dose, yes.
 
I've been trying to put my finger on the reason why I don't enjoy MXE in the same way I did nearer to the beginning of the year when it was new to me, before I had abused it too much.
I've realized that the reason why is because when I first started using MXE, there'd be very little comedown and no hangover, even from massive doses - after the trip was finished I'd be left with a pleasant afterglow.

Now, even after small doses, regardless of how much I enjoy the trip, I'll be left feeling brain dead in a dysphoric, stimulated mood for 7+ hours after the trip has ended.
 
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