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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-11th Dose-50 grams and a kidney later..

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I can't say for me that low doses would be more fun overall than high doses BUT as somebody mentioned a while ago, some of the effects are much better on low doses; especially music appreciation for me was just great with 20mg or less. Listening to music was almost as euphoric as with a decent dose of amphetamines. But as I went higher then suddenly, music started to sound awful, very boring and "deep", low tones. At 100 mg I couldn't listen to any music as it all sounded so wrong, watching movies was fine although they sounded distorted as well, I just didn't mind it when watching a movie.

Another bizarre aspect of mxe for sure, don't know any other drug that could both make me love and hate music just depending on dose (as long as I'm speaking about doses that are otherwise enjoyable, a super high dose of LSD can make me freak out from music as well but only when the whole trip is unpleasant. With a high dose of mxe I would feel great, only I couldn't stand music).

Also communication/empathy is improved on low doses, whereas on high doses I don't care about anybody, and have so slurred speech I can't physically talk much anyway.

Meh I'm kinda happy I don't have mxe anymore and don't plan to order any more, it's a crazy thing :)
 
music on amphetamines loses its soul for me, high dose of any dissociative is the opposite
 
I know what you mean when saying, that music sounds awful on higher doses. But with the right decision in which music to hear, that totally changes. So i think this depends on which music you're hearing, not the dose as such.
 
psood0nym said:
You're not babbling at all, and many in this thread babble, as is only natural. ... From the way your post reads you've managed to keep your head from floating off your shoulders despite quite the battering regiment of MXE. That's encouraging. It's interesting that you note ROA can make such a difference in qualitative effects. It suggests one's experience of MXE can vary widely based on the rate they take it into their system.

Is smoking it at all comparable to IV? Or is it night and day despite the ostensible similarity in rate of onset? Personally, being a practical person, once I found out that up the butt administration is comparable to IMing I figured why bother with the prep work and additional sanitary risk of injection, and so I've stuck with that route lest I'm in public. But I'm intrigued by IV -- MXE is so charmingly capricious a bitch I'm tempted to throw the dice.
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I swear that this drug changes properties depending on the ROA. Not literally, but the effects that you get are quite different. When you do bumps.........it's mildly psychedelic, quite spacey, but also very speedy..........oral and sublingual remind me a lot more of DXM, it's a more complete trip, like you get all of the qualities of MXE together. IV reminds me much more of Ketamine.........very wonky and outer spacey, objects seem to be much larger or smaller than they actually are, or sometimes I feel like I'm 10 feet off the ground when I look down at my feet. Also very gumby feeling at times when walking around.......but you can get that feeling from any ROA, it's just REALLY pronounced when used IV. As for smoking.....the current MXE I've been getting for a while has a real distinct feeling when smoked. I've had stuff that reminds me more of a nitrous type high when smoked in a blunt, but to be honest, the current batch I have when smoked feels like straight up PCP. Very vivid visual hallucinations, electrical patterns of light, music sounds great, and when you smoke a lot I can seriously hear a buzzing sound.......like a swarm of bees.......which I've heard multiple people describe smoking PCP in this way. It's for real like BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ all throughout your body. It's quite a heady high. It's makes mid grade trees feel like some California Super Grass. Weed + MXE is a whole different ballgame though like many people have stated and begun to find out. Even for experienced smokers, it can go either way depending on the environment. There have been many times that I find myself reaching for a piece of a benzo to mellow me out after an MXE blunt........other times it's a smooth ride, setting's and headspace really shape the direction of the experience. MXE makes music SERIOUSLY addictive.......like I cannot live without some........which I couldn't live without music prior to MXE, but now it is straight up REQUIRED. I definitely agree about different music for different times though. Sometimes I can't live without electronic music of all varieties, other days I NEED some good underground hip-hop......other days I want some old school Jazz from the 50's and 60's or even some old hippie jams from time to time (and I'm not talking grateful dead or pink floyd.........not to be offensive to anyone who lives for that, it's good music, it's just kind of generic to say that's your all time favorite jam).
I really enjoy MXE and it has helped get me over a year of distance from heavy opiates which previously owned my brain. I feel that MXE has fixed a lot of shit in my brain that doing dope really fucked up. I honestly feel a lot more like the person I used to be pre-opiate abuser.........and I enjoy and appreciate that a lot. Opiates made me lose my personality and any enjoyment that I could get out of life. MXE has helped reverse those effects to a reasonable extent. BUT......it doesn't come without it's pitfalls. It is very addictive, and I do have a drug routine with it...........but...........I at least am living my life now instead of just chasing around the dope dealer every day. It is still absolutely a legitimate addiction, and if you use it IV, or a whole lot of it for more than 6-8 months..........you will experience some withdrawal effects. Loss of interest in daily life, stuff isn't as enjoyable anymore, odd body aches and pains, lack of energy and motivation, fucked up sleep patterns, occasional chills................but compared to other heavier recreational drugs, the physical withdrawals actually subside pretty fast, it's the mental cravings that will get you with this substance.......they stick around for a while, mainly because it can be so damn fun. Tread lightly with this one, it's something special...........but it is definitely it's own special kinda beast at the same time. I don't recommend excessive use unless you are prepared to shape your life around how MXE can change your daily habits and goals. Enjoy it but respect it.
My only serious concern................it may still effect your bladder negatively. Sometimes, when I do a lot in one day, my bladder feels confused............sometimes I will have to piss every half hour like I drank a bunch of alcohol.........other times it will make taking a piss more difficult and I won't have to go for a few hours. It's quite odd in that regard. Play it safe, it does still have that negative ketamine like effect on the bladder. I personally don't think it is as damaging as ketamine on your bladder, but it does seem to have effects on it with prolonged and extensive use. Stopping use seems to negate this rather quickly though, within a few weeks. Overall, if you get quality MXE, it can be a surprisingly clean feeling drug with minimal negative physical side effects, and your body adapts to the negatives fairly quick if you become a regular user. Be careful those folks..........this compound is for real and can take you on a journey. I see it as DXM, Ketamine, PCP, an opiate and an amphetamine all rolled into one crazy compound. Have fun BL'ers. Happy Holidays.
 
^good reply, and I agree with pretty much everything you said. I'm currently on my longest break after on-and-off daily use for almost a year- it has been almost a month since I've had any, but I hope to get some for the upcoming Solstice celebration. I've relapsed on opiates a few times in the past month because I don't have my MXE safety net, so it's definitely good for me to have around when I feel like 'checking out'. Cheers everyone, be safe!
 
if youre prone to abusing it than having it around is going to lead to you using it more often than you'd like.
I have my gf hold the MXE and not tell me where it is. And when i want some i just ask for it.I find i use it far less often this way.
 
So I treated myself to two grams for this Christmas season. I dosed about 100mg, and got the usual MXE type high. However, on the come down, I noticed pains from my lower back, from what I'd imagine are my kidneys. I quickly realized I didn't stay hydrated and only drank half a glass of water since dosing. Quickly I drank water, tea, etc to try and flush my system as it hurt a fair amount. By the first glass, I was already feeling better. Still...this is a little saddening.

I plan to taking 50mg today and seeing if I notice similar side effects. If I do, perhaps it is this new batch or even worse perhaps it's taking a toll on my body itself. We'll see. Either way, I don't plan on doing M-hole size doses any more. I accidently did too much from my snuff bullet and wound up in an M-hole unexpectedly. I was stumbling on words, had trouble walking...I fell over and almost hurt myself badly a few times. I was dancing around my room and lost balance several times and almost fell into a small wooden table I have by my window, also I almost fell into my guitar a few times. Needless to say, I'm done doing such heroic amounts, whether intentional or not.
 
So I've only used MXE three times, at least 100 mg per session, but I'm coming back to talk about my bladder. About a month or two ago a few days after my last MXE dose I had a sharp pain in what I thought was my stomach but it turned out to be my bladder. It was fleeting, only lasting one day, and it wasn't debilitating at all (I actually went to the gym that day) but it still fucking hurt. I read about some bladder pain with MXE in this thread but I didn't think the two were connected because I had only done it three times.

For the next two weeks or so though, pissing sucked. It was like my bladder couldn't push the piss out of my dick. It was in there, I felt like I had to pee, but it would just dribble out a little at a time. And when I felt like I was done peeing, I would try to put my dick back in my pants and then a little extra would squirt out. It fucking sucked. Fortunately this situation has reversed itself and I can pee like a normal human being.

I can't say with 100% certainty that MXE is the reason this happened, but I don't have any STDs and MXE was the only drug I used other than caffeine and alcohol so it seems pretty likely. Be careful with this shit.
 
Effuzion said:
And when I felt like I was done peeing, I would try to put my dick back in my pants and then a little extra would squirt out. It fucking sucked. Fortunately this situation has reversed itself and I can pee like a normal human being.
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Seems like you're not the only one and i can say, i've experienced exactly the same issues as you mentioned above (i also highlighted it). I've done MXE a few more times than you, i guess approx. 30-40x, perhaps more, eventually even less. The highest dose i've taken were 150mgs with staggered dosing but mostly far beyond 100mgs.

How long has it taken for your bladder to function normally again, and in what timeframe have you done those three experiments with Methoxetamine? Have you ceased taking it anymore nowadays?

It's good, well not good at all for you/me/us, but contributing to the substance itself, having more information about possible dangers and reactions/experiences people had with this stuff. I'm sure MXE can be used without much health issues/side-effects if some factors are kept in good order.

1. of all it's absolutely unavoidable to take long enough pauses between sessions, which in turn is dependent on the dose used and the time you're exposed to the chemical.

Thing is, if you're taking one big dose you're confronting your body with a single high amount of chemical, but nobody knows if repeated small(er) staggered doses are better or worse. The only thing we can do is, see how we react to it and even then,the outcome doesn't automatically apply to each and every person. But it's at least a factor to keep in mind for everyone of us so all information is needed HERE!

2. is, your way of administration. I cannot believe that, as good as plugging MXE is, this route is really good for your intestines/prostate as it isn't very kind to your tongue/mouth (people lost their sense of taste off MXE :|). This is also one thing to keep in mind if there's too much regular use - which at it's best, shouldn't happen!

I just know there's HELL-A-LOTTA potential as a really powerful tool here, not just a damn drug. Otherwise i wouldn't bother with it anymore, believe me.

We're the only ones being capable of helping understand it's pharmacology, effects and long-term dangers/benefits or at least, contribute to make it more understandable, in all aspects!
 
It was 3x in about 2 months. Doses were pretty high, but I always staggered them. My first time was snorting, 2nd and 3rd sublingual.

I still have some MXE left but I'm totally over it. Haven't used it in a month, give or take a week.
 
3x in 2 Months sounds not that much. But pretty high as in? Could you estimate the doses perhaps? Thanks M8!
 
dissociative effect on our hearing and frequencies of the sound spectrum would be a great discussion.

I synthesize sounds digitally trying to recreate the piercing lush strings of a running shower while on dissociativess

The computer fan example made me laugh I have to move my laptop across the house for some quiet!!
 
Effuzion said:
First time was 100, second and third were probably 200 -250 each.
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You mentioned that caffeine and alcohol were the only other drugs you've used - did you mean concurrently with MXE or in general? That is, you had no dissociative tolerance before trying MXE, correct? The reason I ask is because those seem like extremely excessive doses for your first three experiences with the drug. Did you try an allergy test (sub-threshold dose) before going in with 100mg or why did you decide to go with such a heavy dose the first time? It's possible that your product is low quality or perhaps not even MXE, but I'd think 100mg would be way, way too much for a dissociative-naive user to handle - and frankly, 250mg sounds dangerous. I, too, started to notice bladder problems but this was after months of regular use and I never came close to using 250mg in a day, much less one dose.

In any case, it is evident that bladder/kidney/urinary tract issues can arise with MXE (and presumably all other arylcyclohexylamines), but what is not known is what kind of use (dose/ROA/frequency) will lead to these complications. It seems like some individuals get away with using frequently in high quantities whereas others begin to see problems after only a short period of moderate use. It's safe to say that MXE should be kept in extreme moderation, though that is obviously much easier said than done.
 
Grinders Kiefers said:
You mentioned that caffeine and alcohol were the only other drugs you've used - did you mean concurrently with MXE or in general? That is, you had no dissociative tolerance before trying MXE, correct? The reason I ask is because those seem like extremely excessive doses for your first three experiences with the drug. Did you try an allergy test (sub-threshold dose) before going in with 100mg or why did you decide to go with such a heavy dose the first time? It's possible that your product is low quality or perhaps not even MXE, but I'd think 100mg would be way, way too much for a dissociative-naive user to handle - and frankly, 250mg sounds dangerous. I, too, started to notice bladder problems but this was after months of regular use and I never came close to using 250mg in a day, much less one dose.

In any case, it is evident that bladder/kidney/urinary tract issues can arise with MXE (and presumably all other arylcyclohexylamines), but what is not known is what kind of use (dose/ROA/frequency) will lead to these complications. It seems like some individuals get away with using frequently in high quantities whereas others begin to see problems after only a short period of moderate use. It's safe to say that MXE should be kept in extreme moderation, though that is obviously much easier said than done.
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It was MXE. It has that numb taste to it that's pretty distinct. You can read my older posts about it in this thread if you want where I describe the experience. They might be in the 10th edition though.

Anyway, 100 mg was not at once, and yes it was a strong experience. I did 4 bumps of 25 mg each spaced an hour apart. The other times were multiple doses too, but they were sublingual, not snorted. Also, alcohol and caffeine were the only other drugs I used in that 3 month span; I didn't use them at the same time as MXE.
 
^ And all your issues disappeared within roughly a month after your last time with MXE?

Effuzion said:
First time was 100, second and third were probably 200 -250 each.
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That's not really much, i mean in one session, yes, but not within a two month period.
 
Less than that, maybe 2-3 weeks. It's been a month now and I'm fine.

And yeah, I know it's not much for the time period, but the fact that I only used it a couple times and still got some negative effects is worth warning people about.
 
mm I get the pee thing too, no bladder pain though. I also haven't done much of it probably roughly the same as you. I can often feel it still in there but it just wont come out and when I go bed I lie down for 5 and get up to piss the rest out.
Only heardb this from people taking large doses not people taking tiny amounts frequently.
 
It's obvious it's not a matter of the dose per se. William E. White said something EVERYONE doing dissociatives should keep in mind:

How to minimize the risks:
Obviously the best thing to do is not use dissociatives. Duh. And the best way to avoid hitting the ground at terminal velocity is to avoid skydiving, the best way not to get pregnant is to avoid sex, and so on. A lot of people in this country (USA) have problems taking responsibility for the risks they take, so I'd better mention it.

If you won't quit, at least make sure you don't overdo it. The things to consider are frequency, duration, and dose. An analogy would be driving a car with a broken radiator. The longer or harder (heavier dose) you drive it, the more the engine heats up, and the longer you have to wait to let it cool off. If you drive it too long, too hard, or too frequently, you'll ruin your engine.
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I can't believe how cheap this stuff is. A gram easily lasts me a couple of months. I never used dissociatives before but this drug simply feels awesome to me. My body feels kind of like md and comedown/negative side-effects are non existent, which makes limiting use a factor of pure will power, which IMO is risky..
 
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