The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-10th Dose-Addiction? But I'm only on it 24/7...

[THCified]

Yesterday, 10 days after my last 20mg dose (which was utterly phantastic), i dosed myself 30mgs up the nose. This was by far not as good as the lower dose i had before, but it was good. Later that evening i was stupid enough to dose another 35mgs sublingually because i wanted to head for a hole... This dose was good again but it felt like it wasn't enough... so i doses another 15mgs up the bum, followed by another 20mgs, same route - experience was nice in all respect, my bed (including me) felt like it was rotating, moving in waves and so on, typically holing-style stuff...but it hadn't the magic like the MUCH lower dose 10 days earlier... Slept roughly 3h that night (thanks to withdrawing from opioids also) and felt really fuck'd up then...and trough the whole following day.

Just for comparing the two experiences, with the 20mgs i had absolutely NO after-effects, felt totally fine the next day, not like yesterday/today.

I can just say, this substance is by far the best thing i ever experienced besides weed (ok, and opioids, of course ), but in the hands of someone abusing it, it's a total killer. It's really capable of changing your perception on a long-term basis in both directions, depending on the experience/dosage, so i can just urge EACH AND EVERYONE to just dose irregularly and with proper dosage.

It's very important to be mentally comfortable, ready for the experience and not just in for holing... like i was!

Yesterday was a lesson to me, even if i already knew that irregular dosing is the way to go. Besides of that i suggest to try plugging this substance and work your way up slowly (if needed), it's by far the best ROA there is.

 

[Lost Ego]

Anyone know of the effects of long term abuse?

 

[Sweetshare]

Anyone know of the effects of long term abuse?

Mental depression after stop taking.
Maybe kidney and urinary tract damage due to excessive use.

 

[suckerbunnie]

Those magical island, this safehouse of wellbeing and bliss, this cotton-cocoon of lucid dreamlike flights through inner and outer space. I know that feeling, but here MXE is the deceiver once you hit a high tolerance. The "bliss" exists in your mind, and MXE tricks you into a state of denial. Most likely because you don't associate bad comedowns or harsh times with it from your first memories. It's the perfect "everyday" drug, but it turns you into a wreck over time. MXE is a slow killer and a pretty and decisive one too. It's almost like a psyop against your prolonged wellbeing. First it pushes all your reward buttons at once and then slowly but steady takes em all away until the magic is lost and you find yourself left with a serious drug problem. Of course it does not feel like a real drug problem for a long time, so even when you start having physical issues you're still in denial, because you don't know otherwise.

MXE is indeed a tricky, seductive, soul-sucking bitch. She was just great in the beginning, all light and beauty and full of wonder.....but in time her deeper and darker underlying issues came to the forefront. This is just her nature and should be expected by anyone. She did in fact help greatly in my overcoming addiction to everything else, because she is just possessive in that way, and I am certainly much the better for it. But I had to go through hell to get there and at a certain point one has to cut the cord, so to speak. I am now essentially free of all physical addictions except for caffeine and have no doubt that the power to drop that as well is within me if I should choose to seriousely persue that. And these are not temporary changes but permanent life decisions which have effected a very real and yet different worldview. I should also add that those who have 'fallen in love' with methoxetamine are criusin' for a bruisin'

 

[eye_wide_open]

MXE is indeed a tricky, seductive, soul-sucking bitch. She was just great in the beginning, all light and beauty and full of wonder.....but in time her deeper and darker underlying issues came to the forefront. This is just her nature and should be expected by anyone. She did in fact help greatly in my overcoming addiction to everything else, because she is just possessive in that way, and I am certainly much the better for it. But I had to go through hell to get there and at a certain point one has to cut the cord, so to speak. I am now essentially free of all physical addictions except for caffeine and have no doubt that the power to drop that as well is within me if I should choose to seriousely persue that. And these are not temporary changes but permanent life decisions which have effected a very real and yet different worldview. I should also add that those who have 'fallen in love' with methoxetamine are criusin' for a bruisin'

Lol caffeine is drugs too. I've been trying to cut back. Soda is hella bad for you.

I knew a guy at my old job who did huge lines of powdered caffeine off his desk at work like a bonehead. Needless to say he didn't last there long.

I like that you put "accept" DMT - nothing occurs by chance!

I don't like that super heavy paralysis feeling you get when DMT is coming on...
feels like dying. Feels like those anxiety attack I've been having. I get the death feeling enough already lol. For once, I'm sick of dying. NEed to feel the life force flowing through me right now.
I know very well the deem has it's times and places.

 

[atrollappears]

Last weekend my friend gave me what was supposedly MXE for the first time, and I really enjoyed it. I say "supposedly" because it was extremely active at what was supposed to be 20 milligrams, and because it seemed somehow more psychedelic than the product I later received, and burned when snorted.
Anyway, this weekend I procured MXE from another source (reagent tests seem to indicate that it really is MXE, and potency seems more accurate) and this time the effect seemed far closer to the effect of DXM. So I tried maybe 40 milligrams Friday afternoon, got a mellow dissociative buzz going, a nice and enjoyable effect, and went to get some dinner. Anyway, that night I dosed up to 70 or so milligrams, and that was pretty fun as I dosed little by little. However, when I went out to a show, all of the sudden I simply wasn't happy. I didn't feel bad, I just didn't feel the urge to dance, socialize, or anything really. I went home and layed on my bed until I slept. I had had a pretty exhausting week, and had to use amphetamine a lot to stay up and get work done, so I guess it could have had something to do with that... but it still seems strange, because I've always really enjoyed DXM no matter the circumstances (except when I took it three nights in a row, which come to think of it, was pretty similar to this by the third night).
So my question is this: Has anyone experienced anything like this with MXE before? Could it have been an effect of my dosing earlier in the day? Is there anything I can do to avoid it? Also, can anyone provide an explanation for the far different effect I got the previous weekend?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Lol caffeine is drugs too. I've been trying to cut back. Soda is hella bad for you.

I try to limit my caffeine to tea and coffee these days, though I will have a soda here and there.

Maybe you can benefit from what I just did, I took a 40 day fast from all psychoactives, including caffeine. Finished it two days ago. Now I can come back to 'em with a healthier perspective (even for the innocuous ones), hopefully.

 

[atrollappears]

Last weekend my friend gave me what was supposedly MXE for the first time, and I really enjoyed it. I say "supposedly" because it was extremely active at what was supposed to be 20 milligrams, and because it seemed somehow more psychedelic than the product I later received, and burned when snorted.
Anyway, this weekend I procured MXE from another source (reagent tests seem to indicate that it really is MXE, and potency seems more accurate) and this time the effect seemed far closer to the effect of DXM. So I tried maybe 40 milligrams Friday afternoon, got a mellow dissociative buzz going, a nice and enjoyable effect, and went to get some dinner. Anyway, that night I dosed up to 70 or so milligrams, and that was pretty fun as I dosed little by little. However, when I went out to a show, all of the sudden I simply wasn't happy. I didn't feel bad, I just didn't feel the urge to dance, socialize, or anything really. I went home and layed on my bed until I slept. I had had a pretty exhausting week, and had to use amphetamine a lot to stay up and get work done, so I guess it could have had something to do with that... but it still seems strange, because I've always really enjoyed DXM no matter the circumstances (except when I took it three nights in a row, which come to think of it, was pretty similar to this by the third night).
So my question is this: Has anyone experienced anything like this with MXE before? Could it have been an effect of my dosing earlier in the day? Is there anything I can do to avoid it? Also, can anyone provide an explanation for the far different effect I got the previous weekend?

Upon looking over the 3-MeO-PCP thread, I believe what I took last weekend may have been that compound...

 

[defn]

Originally Posted by Lost Ego
Anyone know of the effects of long term abuse?
Mental depression after stop taking.
Maybe kidney and urinary tract damage due to excessive use.

Does anyone have any solid proof of the MXE causing kidney/bladdar/UT damage, similar to the post 2005 ketamine cases?

In theory I could see the potential for bladdar toxicity, but what happened the 'rational' drug design?

Ill ask my bud who uses more than I, because I've noticed nothing of the sorts.

 

[fuckUwil$on]

So there seems to be, for whatever reason, a dry spell of quality mxe. Recently had some very good stuff that I inevitably promised myself I would cherish but inevitably binged on till it was all gone-today. Feeling quite optimistic though. I've decided to jump on the Kratom/Phenibutt train. Thai and Sumatran...seems so exotic...plus Sumatran coffee is my favorite. Phenibutt, well...I couldn't help but lol at the name so I had to get it. Used by the Solviets...seems so...Cold War. Issss Russsiaaann. Haha. Plus I heard its great for Social anxiety and can have hellish physical w/d which I thought would be a nice change of pace from Mxe's strictly psychological thriller. DMT FTW. Mxe is also very nice. See you phreaks on the flip side(it probably won't be too long till I hop back on
-Love&Light-P.L.U.R.-Free Sex-Free Drugs-Rockn'Roll-Dubstep

 

[sml-la]

Well my sexy sexy MeXeE, I think it's time I bid you farewell. Just know that I will always love you, and that the last year of my life with you has been one of the most insightful and outsightful years of my life, which will bear no resentment as I move forward. You've made a success story out of me, and I will never doubt that you had any other intention. You helped me break the chains of opiate dependency, and catalyzed my growth and regulation towards all substances which at any point possessed potential to govern me mentally, emotionally, or physically. Through the thousands of vacations you took me from the physical realm of existence, you showed me the comfort and beauty of the realm beyond my physical existence. I don't know if you directly introduced me to the concept of God (of my understanding, anyhow), but I definitely must accredit you for some of the hope found in the inevitable countdown to the moment in which I will coincide in his realm. With all of this taken to account, I'm sorry to say that I must leave you now. I must leave, because this physical realm is calling me. It's been begging me to harness the brilliance I've always possessed, so that when I do leave this physical realm, neither you or I will be seen in vein. I've endured your beauty, and now it's time to preserve your beauty, as well as use these tools you've aided in my attainment.

PS:
You're way better than Ketamine. I don't care what anyone says

 

[J.Wallace]

On that note, I'm going to switch my ROA from now on from Nasal to Oral. I'm having extreme difficulties inhaling soft enough for it not to fly right to the back of my throat. To be perfectly honest, I think the 18+ Grams I've snorted since March may have caused some nasal damage and is making it difficult for me to properly snort drugs, as they always fly to the back of my throat no matter how soft and gently I inhale.

I actually prefer Oral, only problem is it's hard finding a store nearby that sells plain gelatin capsules. Not so much difficult, as much as I'm just always short on cash. I should really invest in a bag of capsules though for personal use, as I feel nasally it's accumulating in my lungs perhaps and causing my nose to shift or become slightly damaged in a sense.

 

[6apbhmm]

...
On that note, I'm going to switch my ROA from now on from Nasal to Oral. I'm having extreme difficulties inhaling soft enough for it not to fly right to the back of my throat. To be perfectly honest, I think the 18+ Grams I've snorted since March may have caused some nasal damage and is making it difficult for me to properly snort drugs, as they always fly to the back of my throat no matter how soft and gently I inhale.

I just switched from snorting to oral about 2 weeks ago too and will keep it like that. I "only" went through ~2 grams since I started using mxe about 4 months ago but I already started feeling that something with my nose is not 100% ok (also have to admit I snorted some speeds during holidays too), while I didn't have problems with snorting itself or sense of smell, my nose always felt a bit strange and was runny for several days after snorting. So nothing serious, but better to quit while I'm ahead.
Mxe seems to be orally just as effective and there is no rush like from speeds anyway so no need to harm our noses; quality mxe is however tempting to be snorted because it doesn't hurt at all, its pleasant actually. Which can be really deceitful because we tend to think if it doesn't hurt it doesn't harm but that may not be true. Pure coke doesn't hurt either and we all know what it does to cavities.

 

[freaktech]

do you think that mxe causes neurotoxicity or bladder/kidney problems when taken like one time a month? One time a month, can hold the tolerance as low as frists times?

 

[fuckUwil$on]

On that note, I'm going to switch my ROA from now on from Nasal to Oral. I'm having extreme difficulties inhaling soft enough for it not to fly right to the back of my throat. To be perfectly honest, I think the 18+ Grams I've snorted since March may have caused some nasal damage and is making it difficult for me to properly snort drugs, as they always fly to the back of my throat no matter how soft and gently I inhale.

I actually prefer Oral, only problem is it's hard finding a store nearby that sells plain gelatin capsules. Not so much difficult, as much as I'm just always short on cash. I should really invest in a bag of capsules though for personal use, as I feel nasally it's accumulating in my lungs perhaps and causing my nose to shift or become slightly damaged in a sense.

why don't you just parachute it with some toilet paper...don't tell me you don't have any of that.

 

[Confield]

why don't you just parachute it with some toilet paper...don't tell me you don't have any of that.

Or you can just dissolve it in a glass of juice, water etc.

 

[the toad]

Mxe has a very mild flavor... I just dump it under my tongue and hardly even taste it as it dissolves over 5 mins and is gone...

 

[psood0nym]

do you think that mxe causes neurotoxicity or bladder/kidney problems when taken like one time a month? One time a month, can hold the tolerance as low as frists times?

It's impossible to say for sure but I "think" it very unlikely that any healthy individual will notice symptoms at that frequency at common doses that owe to MXE alone. There's no toxicological research on MXE, and the evidence for ketamine's health effects involves abuse far in excess of that. There's plenty of people on bluelight who report absurd levels of MXE abuse, and so far as I know it's just the users eyeswideopen and phatass that have reported taking medical tests indicating organ damage. Both of their cases involved other drugs, and phatass's case involved 3 grams of MXE in one sitting.

but what happened the 'rational' drug design?

The rational part is merely that it's an analogue that's more potent and longer lasting than ketamine, with evidence supporting the theory that health problems owe directly to the mass and frequency of ketamine consumed by abusers. Thus, it's rational to assume lower quantities of MXE will be consumed less frequently than the same users of ketamine. That's the extent of the harm reduction rationale of its design relative to ketamine on the assumption that it acts in similar ways in the body based on structure and subjective effect -- there's no claims of harmlessness or remotely similar. The ambiguity of that description is seized on by users and the blanks happily filled in by assumptions that it implies more than it does by those looking to justify what they know is overuse (not claiming that's you, just noting how rationalizations work). It's possible that MXE could be far more damaging than ketamine in other unknown respects, or even that it's more damaging to the bladder and kidneys than ketamine by some unknown mechanism that was never suspected. No drugs are rationally designed to be chronically abused to get high -- even Children's Tylenol causes kidney damage at high levels -- because abuse is completely irrational so far as medical function is concerned.

Ill ask my bud who uses more than I, because I've noticed nothing of the sorts.

There are already many anecdotes here that indicate potential problems in the form of reports of kidney pain. What will another story based on subjective symptoms from your friend do to constitute more reliable evidence? The empirical evidence of ketamine's effects combined with its similarities with MXE and the medical tests reported by phatass and eyeswideopen are already profoundly more meaningful than anything anybody's friends say based on what they feel. Trusting friend's impressions over better evidence is potentially very dangerous because feeling-based human judgement, no matter how well-liked the person, is nearly meaningless when talking about something so complex as the specific health effects of a mystery drug on the body. This sort of trust is a cognitive short cut evolved in the stone age when there were no more reliable sources of knowledge that gets people dealing with modern risks in trouble constantly.

 

[MrPorter]

Anyone else find that this massively dehydrates you? dosed up a few days ago and wac in and out of the toilet about 8 times in an hour and also causes that annoying thing where its like you need a piss but really its just a droplet left somewhere just beyond the japseye

 

[J.Wallace]

Anyone else find that this massively dehydrates you? dosed up a few days ago and wac in and out of the toilet about 8 times in an hour and also causes that annoying thing where its like you need a piss but really its just a droplet left somewhere just beyond the japseye

Have not experienced this. It is a drug that should be taken while sipping on water, however. It does dehydrate you.

Personally, when dosing, I like to have a water bottle near by. I sip on it on occasion. Also, I find if you take too much (I often find myself in situations when I took a little more than I intended to) I like to suck on an ice cube and rub in on the back of my neck to help with lowering Blood Pressure issues that it causes.

Always drink plenty of fluids when ingesting this substance. Staying hydrated is CRUCIAL for an enjoyable experience.