The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-10th Dose-Addiction? But I'm only on it 24/7...

[missimoo]

...In fact....its SO BAD. i had a 5 gram bag arrive on wednesday.... I finished 5 GRAMS in TWO DAYS... .I should be dead. .... if it was MXE of old... it took that much to have a "mild dissocative effect".. and that I mean "slightly retarded whilst watching the telly" and even then 2mg etizolam and alcohol were involved on both evenings (which would probably have accounted for the mild effect alone)...at one point I did a 500mg line and was in the pool and jacuzzi for a couple of hours...again....i should be dead....When i say i did 5 grams in 2 days (from a reputable EU supply)... I wasnt sat 24/7 at it...this was in 2 evenings. with sleep...which is worse then the previous order which I compared to the bunk "K-mex" shit.

so ...right....its shit being sold ATM..

at least the branded "K MEX" rubbish is cheaper and is so badly packaged its weight on a 1 gram package vary from 1g - 1.7 gram (sloppy lowest of the low vendors)....

I smell a conspiracy to get us all buying 2MK....mainly in part by the fact the I cant distinguish between branded bunk from uk lowlife sellers, and trusted EU venders...and the EU venders are packaging in EXACTLY the same bags/labels as TRUSTED UK venders are selling other chemicals i have orders.... Once again I am thinking that all these suppliers are in fact. one big company.

This is not on.

again sorry if this crosses any rules. please edit if it does

 

[6apbhmm]

Lol 5g of quality stuff would have killed me about 5 times.. unless I'd survive on a planet outside of detectable outside space and lie there in mhole for years..

 

[missimoo]

yup. not impressed. obviously at myself or the the quality or the empty bag.... i didn't intend to do the 5grams (I know from my past miss use that thats at least 5x what it takes to put you in hospital). im shocked its gone...i was bemused that the bag was empty...and gutted lets say i will not bother from that place again. is anyone else noticing this drastic drop in quality?...apparently after the 500mg line i did look a "a bit trashed" in the pool...apparently i stopped every so often to look around (it was a public place, only my friend knew id done it because i left residue in the toilet cubbicle and was busted, but no one else noticed i was out of sorts) ...but i was far from what that kind of dose should have done...i should be dead...without the water being added....i was just doing bigger and bigger lines in the hope that something would work in the end...

we will call in "not reputable anymore" ....a well known source sadly. . a poor state of affairs


the only effect that I can attribe to "mxe" like was the dopamine hit on insufation, and the urge to redose but that was it. i really have had a stronger effect from that "bunk" branded shit...and even that was so horrible it went in the bin eventually...

 

[psood0nym]

"Lab comments:Matches are library lookup matches only. DDL does not have an internal standard for any of these substances." -Quoted from that report...

Search sodium bicarbonate on edata, theres zero results... nobodys ever sent in a sample cut with baking soda? I find that hard to believe...

The point I was trying to make in post # 289 is that if differences in subjective qualitative descriptions (mongy, sedative, ect.) between batches reflect actual differences in the active constituents of a sample sent for analysis then that will be reflected in the relative ratios of the substances given in an edata report. If a cut is inactive it won't change the qualitative experience of a substance, just the amount needed to produce an effect. So publishing the results and tying them to specific retailers on appropriate sites cannot be expected to impact diluting a compound with inactive cuts but it might have an impact on vendors making substitutions with other chemicals or their selling extremely impure synths. Cuts like baking soda are not included in the GCMS results (I am still curious what "unidentified" means in that 4-MeO-PCP sample link as a relative ratio if they're only using ratios of identified compounds, though [this may be where the distinction between a sample sold as a pure substance and one sold as a pill comes into play, IDK]):

not every component of a tablet is included in the GC/MS results (fillers, binders, etc) and the ratios of the identified compounds are only rough estimates.

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[eye_wide_open]

Am I the only person here using it specifically for pain relief?

I've done this quite a few times.
MXE works excellent for pain relief. Too bad I don't have anymore I could use some right now.
Yup, I was and still am addicted to that shit... keep it away. lol

 

[the toad]

The point I was trying to make in post # 289 is that if differences in subjective qualitative descriptions (mongy, sedative, ect.) between batches reflect actual differences in the active constituents of a sample sent for analysis then that will be reflected in the relative ratios of the substances given in an edata report. If a cut is inactive it won't change the qualitative experience of a substance, just the amount needed to produce an effect. So publishing the results and tying them to specific retailers on appropriate sites cannot be expected to impact diluting a compound with inactive cuts but it might have an impact on vendors making substitutions with other chemicals or their selling extremely impure synths. Cuts like baking soda are not included in the GCMS results (I am still curious what "unidentified" means in that 4-MeO-PCP sample link as a relative ratio if they're only using ratios of identified compounds, though [this may be where the distinction between a sample sold as a pure substance and one sold as a pill comes into play, IDK]):

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I said it felt like mxe, but was very weak and required much larger doses... then you suggested i not assume its cut without sending it to the lab...

 

[ColtDan]

Ahh i miss the old MXE

 

[THCified]

Am I the only person here using it specifically for pain relief? The antidepressant and occasional spiritual feelings are lovely side-effects, but the reason I use it nearly daily is to treat painful neuropathy in my legs, and it works wonders for it. I take about 30mg every 4-6 hours during the day (a higher dose than any newcomer should use for therapeutic effect because my tolerance has increased after taking it for 7 months) It is a far preferable treatment to alternatives like opioid pain relief which have a physical dependence among other undesirable effects. The MXE brain is lucid compared to the fogginess of the opiated brain. I have also noticed that the 'wonky' effects of MXE like wobbly motor control and speech have completely disappeared with continued used while the therapeutic effects remain strong. This may be against harm reduction guidelines but I will probably be taking it regularly until something better comes along.

For me i have the feeling, that my neuropathy becomes even worse after taking MXE. It seems that during the high, i.e. the time i feel effects, it seems better, but the days after taking MXE are far more worse. I noticed the same with alcohol, where it's much better if i'm drinking and while i'm drunk or under the influence of alcohol, but after that it's a catastrophy.

 

[vortech]

^Interesting. It could be the same mechanism responsible for 'bounce back pain' seen in other pain management therapies. Pain can be a relative signal, so a 'normal' amount of pain could be interpreted as being more intense after a period of feeling little or no pain.

 

[the toad]

Dissosciative anaesthetic.... yes it most definately produces strong pain relief.

Why do you think ketamine/nitrous/pcp are/were used for surgeries? Lol :D

 

[J.Wallace]

I'm writing this, not because I mean to brag, or to draw attention to myself, but I need to share this as a warning to many of you.

Many of us, state this drug has shown little negative side effects aside from mania. As a heavy user since March, I need to state, side effects are indeed becoming more clear with heavier usage. I know this is obvious, but this is not necessarily safe.

The past week, entire 7 days, I've been binging on this substance. 100 - 200mg a day. Friday night, I did about 400mg at a party. Complete mind overload. The following morning, Saturday morning, I did about 75mg just to wake myself up, cause I was exuasted. Later that night, I drank 2 beers, pretty fast. I literally blacked out in front of 8 or 9 people, and they all thought I was dead. I was okay, I was alive, but I suspect the half life of this drug, accompanied with the alcohol threw me into a very bad state. In essence, I overdosed. I woke up, and had to lay down. I literally could not do anything, I was basically in a hole again, but I didn't do any for almost 6 to 7 hours. It was as though the alcohol brought it right back up into my system.

I had severe bladder pains, kidney pains. I knew I was going to be okay, it just had to pass. I kept drinking water, to pass the alcohol and MXE from my system, and I felt much, much better afterwards. Once I came home, I ate a bunch of food (was stoned, needed to rehydrate and get some food into my stomach to pass the chemicals) and I passed out for hours.

DO NOT MIX THIS STUFF WITH ALCOHOL, regardless if you haven't taken the drug in hours, dare I even say the day previously.

Needless to say, I am practically done with my stash...I want to order more, just to have, but I know even if I did, I'd end up doing it again. I don't even have money to spend on buying more, so I can't. And it's for the better. I NEED to lay off this stuff. And I advise anyone who is having the same problem, to just stop ordering this stuff. It's getting worse and worse, quality wise. It's getting to the point it's not even worth it, just spend your money on bud and get high, eat a bunch a food and pass out. It's not worth the potentially and becoming more obvious long term negative side effects that it will inevitably cause.

I really scared a lot of my friends last night. My good friend knew I was just really rocked, and I told him, I'm okay...I just need to ride it out. However, those that didn't know what I did, thought I was overdosing and dieing, literally. They were really scared, and I feel horrible for putting that fear in to them. It was completely irresponsible of me. And I didn't even mean to do so. I figured I didn't do much this morning, it should be okay to drink a few beers, right? Wrong! Absolute worst decision I could have made.

 

[6apbhmm]

So far I mixed with alcohol most the times but one has to be extremely aware and careful and it doesn't make the high any better, more like the opposite so I won't mix again, to be safe.
I was expecting it could add euphoria since mxe itself doesn't cause me anything like what I would call euphoria, it is very strange pleasant feeling but not euphoria, it makes me emotionally empty instead. I also tend to laugh a lot but at the same time don't find things funny, really the best word to describe the high is "being a robot" :D

 

[eye_wide_open]

I really scared a lot of my friends last night. My good friend knew I was just really rocked, and I told him, I'm okay...I just need to ride it out. However, those that didn't know what I did, thought I was overdosing and dieing, literally. They were really scared, and I feel horrible for putting that fear in to them. It was completely irresponsible of me. And I didn't even mean to do so. I figured I didn't do much this morning, it should be okay to drink a few beers, right? Wrong! Absolute worst decision I could have made.

Aha!
You've found the bottom of the MXE pit.
Just be glad you're alive, count your blessings, and take you own advice.
You know what you need to do. Stop.

Trust me I love the hell out of MXE it's really hard for me to do too, man. I feel ya 100%.
Shit just isn't worth it anymore.
I got up to every day use and then it really starts to show it's ugly head.
Specially this usa stuff.

The UK stuff you really couldn't use it every day or the mania would have drove you insane..
that stuff lasted 16 hours too. you'd be going all night and into the next day.
You literally couldn't spend days on it because it was a 30 hour ordeal to complete recovery. lol
getting your vision back after a hole took hours and hours.

 

[psood0nym]

I said it felt like mxe, but was very weak and required much larger doses... then you suggested i not assume its cut without sending it to the lab...

I said this:

I'm not saying there's not cuts/substitutions/impure synths, but I am saying that stating the country of perceived origin along with your personal experience means almost nothing.

I wasn't responding to you specifically. I quote people I'm responding to so they know I'm talking directly to them and about what. My post was a general response to the posting phenomena of speculating about the intrinsic properties of a substance based on subjective feel and attempting to tie one's experience in any predictable way to suspected countries of origin, the post ban status of MXE, etc. in a forum where vendor discussion isn't allowed. Such discussion means almost nothing because how can it when it's so tangential and far removed from anything independently verifiable? All it can do on a global anonymous internet message board is spread confusion and suspicion.

For example, I've had post UK ban MXE from a continental European RETAILER. It is indistinguishable from any MXE I've EVER had given the wide range of experiences I've had with MXE from the same bag. I can't know, though, whether it's MXE that was synthed in Europe pre-ban and stocked up on or if it's newly made in Cambodia but by a really good chemist who shipped it through India first, or whatever. So to flap my fingers on the internet at this level of ignorance like I'm trying to get a barometer on the scene is counterproductive. There is something I can do. But that's not it.

 

[Br1tannia]

Aha!
You've found the bottom of the MXE pit.
Just be glad you're alive, count your blessings, and take you own advice.
You know what you need to do. Stop.

Trust me I love the hell out of MXE it's really hard for me to do too, man. I feel ya 100%.
Shit just isn't worth it anymore.
I got up to every day use and then it really starts to show it's ugly head.
Specially this usa stuff.

The UK stuff you really couldn't use it every day or the mania would have drove you insane..
that stuff lasted 16 hours too. you'd be going all night and into the next day.
You literally couldn't spend days on it because it was a 30 hour ordeal to complete recovery. lol
getting your vision back after a hole took hours and hours.

Not for me, I took 8g over the course of 3 weeks, 24/7 (very high quality UK stuff) and it lasted 4-6 hours, the hole lasted about 1-2 hours. I could sleep fine on it, wake up and be fine, no hangover. I was never off my tits from even 150mg lines, never found the effect mind bending, I could act completely sober even when almost in a hole. Never had confusion or anything like that. Maybe my body just acted differently towards it than others...

 

[Delsyd]

Yep, the whole UK vs US distinction people are trying to make is just ridiculous.
I know for a fact there are US vendors reselling stuff they got from some major European vendors.
Also isnt all this stuff made in China and India anyway? Cant a US vendor order from the same manufacturer the UK vendors order from.
Seriously dont you all see how silly it is.

Lately i order from mostly US vendors so it doesnt have to go through customs, but before it was very available here i was ordering from the UK and Europe. And i had gotten some pretty shitty batches from there too. Anyone remember the chunky yellowish tan stuff. The stuff made gave headaches, made my ears ring, and didnt have the energy boost im so used to with MXE.
I admit the best experiences ive had was with my first few grams i ordered when it just came out. But i believe that had more to do with me trying an exciting new drug and the experience still being novel then.
In fact the last stuff i got in the US resembles that first batch a lot. It came in these small white crystals that looks like salt but when crushed it turns into that fluffy white powder that almost feels nice going up the nose.

As for mixing it with alcohol. Ive had lots of great times going out to the bar or a concert on a low dose of MXE (for me a low dose is 30-50mg, this varies depending on your tolerance) and combining it with a couple beers, it was the perfect social drug IME.
I also have a problem not using this daily when its in my posession so i order in small increments and when it runs out i dont order any more for a month or two. Seems to work well for me.
My plan for the next time i order is to have my gf hold it for me. Id be much less inclined to ask for some everyday, it would probably be more like one or two weekends a month which seems like a reasonable amount to use.

 

[whataboutheforests]

In fact the last stuff i got in the US resembles that first batch a lot. It came in these small white crystals that looks like salt but when crushed it turns into that fluffy white powder that almost feels nice going up the nose.

This sounds exactly like the MXE i've been getting, and it's very good quality.

 

[psood0nym]

Yep, the whole UK vs US distinction people are trying to make is just ridiculous.
I know for a fact there are US vendors reselling stuff they got from some major European vendors.
Also isnt all this stuff made in China and India anyway? Cant a US vendor order from the same manufacturer the UK vendors order from.
Seriously dont you all see how silly it is.

This is what I was getting at. It’s a phenomenon I see constantly on drug message boards, and not isolated to MXE or discussion of geographical origins. Talking about the print of blotters, the smell of weed, using the "dirtiness" of an experience to make conclusions about purity, potency, etc.: it's all variations on the theme of using salient features of drugs and experiences that don't have necessary relationships with the objective qualities of drugs in what I have to assume is an attempt to reassuringly rationalize a sense of control at the consumer level that there's very little evidence to encourage.

I’d be nice to see an expansion of some existing vendor discussion sites using poster trust ratings that involved some kind of “seal of veracity” that vendors could put on their sites and also have revoked. In other words, a product is independently analyzed for composition (perhaps funded by bitcoin donations from site users) by the consumer network, discussed by trusted posters, and, once vetted, that product (the specific batch from a producer only) gets the consumer site’s stamp of approval and can be used by the vendors to sell their products. Basically I’m wishing for some serious attempt at online encryption, self-regulation, and quality control of the RC market. I heard secondhand that informal approximations of this have happened already, but it must not have lasted and the whole thing gives me the impression of being ramshackle with very limited access (which means low cash flow/low incentive to persist). Maybe the whole business is too shady, fly by night, prone to corruption, and amateurish for anything like it to happen – this is all just me making informed speculations -- but it’d sure be nice if a system could be created where there was stronger monetary incentive to sell products independently and scientifically inspected for quality.

 

[missimoo]

^ could you please be so kind and leave a review on the SOS site of this vendor, that others know that he sells junk? highly appreciated.

My review was sent but never appeared on the site...

I contacted the site (they asked for my feedback)...i told them it was either weak or impure ...i was informed, basically, that it was neither and inferred in less then subtle writing that "i didnt have a clue, nothing wrong with it." nice.



When there was a lot talk of "low quality" before, i did an experiment and purchased samples of as many places as i could to compare (i dont have lab equipment but did a subjective test...)....

there was at that time A LOT OF BUNK being sold (and a lot of moaning here about it, justifiably so) by some big names (not to break rules)... but some places were still VERY GOOD (UK pre ban)

Im currently repeating this with a list of EU sources, will take me a week or so but i will let people know if its bunk everywhere, or if there are different batches, or just some rouge traders (i cant name and shame here, but i may do on another site....)

the bad sample i had that prompted this was very fine fluffy white powder, slightly shiny, not dull.

 

[vortech]

Not for me, I took 8g over the course of 3 weeks, 24/7 (very high quality UK stuff) and it lasted 4-6 hours, the hole lasted about 1-2 hours. I could sleep fine on it, wake up and be fine, no hangover. I was never off my tits from even 150mg lines, never found the effect mind bending, I could act completely sober even when almost in a hole. Never had confusion or anything like that. Maybe my body just acted differently towards it than others...

This is close to how I have been tolerating it lately, although I'm averaging closer to only 1 gram per week. I've certainly had a number of times where I 'find a trip' on it when the conditions are right, and in my first few months I would occasionally get jumbled, but now day to day I can function completely normally or even with enhanced clarity while still benefiting from therapeutic effects. I've noticed recently that when in public it does an amazing job of eliminating anxiety that I sometimes get in public spaces. I'm taking a break from it today and probably tomorrow too. A couple days is all it takes for me to bring back some of the magic that dulls after a week or more of daily dosing.