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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine / MXE Thread - Holey Shit no. 15

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Yeah words can get hard to speak successfully, at higher moderate dosages... this effect seems to vary for different people. I find it interesting that you get amnesia from it, as I have never forgotten anything when I'm on MXE, unlike K which gives me a huge amount of amnesia. That's actually one of the reasons I like MXE better than K, because I can actually remember the whole experience. Though mixing with benzos I can see would cause amnesia, I have never mixed MXE with benzos except sometimes if I want to sleep at the end and I can't... it seems like mixing benzos with MXE would be counterproductive.

I will also say I've gotten pretty self-conscious and nervous around brand new people who aren't on MXE... but with people I am close with it's wonderful socially.
 
Well, MXE gives me a very short attention span. I keep wanting to do stuff, getting up and forgetting why I got there in the first place. I lose objects, drop them at some place because I've forgotten what I wanted to do with them. Because I mostly take it at home, I've never had to talk with people during the peak / plateau. But in the afterglow of an MXE experience, if I go out, most times I experienced amnesia while talking with people (losing track of my thoughts and not remembering what I wanted to say). This has happened even when benzos were not used.

I enjoy combining MXE (20 mg) with benzos (10 mg prazepam or 10 mg clorazepate) and weed for a nice relaxed day at home, listening to music and chilling. I went to buy some food in the afterglow of such an experience and it was the most euphoric shopping experience ever lol.
Doses of 20 mg make me very receptive to the music. I can't resist dancing, it just seems so natural, and there is a very fluid feeling to it. However, on higher doses, any music just sounds awful and distorted, even ambient (this seems to start around 40 mg).

I've also chewed salvia divinorum during the MXE experience and it was awesome. Energetic and colourful, very fun. Doses were 20 mg MXE sublingual, 2g dried salvia leaves buccal (T+2h), 25 mg MXE oral (T+3h) and 2g dried salvia leaves buccal (T+5h). The really trippy part was on that last dose of salvia.

I've had a bad experience on MXE, because of an accidental high dose. Extremely fast come-up, forgetting who/where I was, massive visuals, feeling presences, eventually loss of consciousness. Heavy motor impairment and numbness of the lips. On the come-down I just couldn't enjoy anything anymore (music, movies, games, food).

I have quite a few TR's to make. :)

What do you mean by counterproductive? As in not necessary? Or causing you to not do anything productive in your day?
 
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I don't know why the urge to take it has been so strong every day despite the fact I'm not having a terribly remarkable time with it. Anyone else like this?

Hopefully when the 4-HO-MET gets here, things will become much more interesting.
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It seems, at least to me, that I've started to reverse my realities and in doing so I re-dose often to keep my "new" reality in tact.
Snuck right up on me too, definitely didn't see it coming and am taking measures to curtail use...very strange drug indeed.
 
By counterproductive I meant not necessary, or even detrimental... for me I like MXE because it makes me feel very present and alive, if dissociated, and benzos make me feel less present and less alive. They don't seem to go well together for me, and in fact they weaken some of the nicer psychedelic aspects of it.
 
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Yea benzos and MXE pretty much negate each other. Just like when trying to end a trip, benzos will pretty much end your trip. What I do find nice is a few kpins will get that buzzing feeling you get at the end of a trip. Makes you much more clear headed and able to slip IMO.

Xanax pretty much ends the MXE trip. Kpins take a bit longer.
 
I see what you guys mean. I feel as well that combining higher doses of MXE with benzos would be a waste of both substances. However, I tried combining these two in low doses because I felt like benzos could take the good feelings of MXE a step further. And I actually enjoy it. At low doses (20 mg), MXE doesn't seem really psychedelic for me anyway. I do seem to get some dissociation (I attribute the music sounding good to this), as well as the spinning head sensation, motor impairment and numb lips. But the distortions (faces, sounds) and the real dissociation (strange outlook on concepts, feelings) have been encountered only on 40 mg doses or more. But maybe I've been doing this wrong, maybe I haven't been in the right set & setting. What doses do you guys use?

Also, I can't push the dosage too high, or everything will seem fake and distorted, in a bad way. I noticed this at 40 mg already.

It also seems that MXE has sedative qualities, so I wouldn't feel safe combining high doses of it with benzos.

Side note: MXE seems to supress my appetite. If I take it in the morning I can go the whole day without feeling the need to eat.
 
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I also get the fake/distorted effect at doses that are too high, unless I lay down with my eyes closed and go inward, then high doses are much better and in fact desired. But if I'm going to be up and interacting with the world, I try to keep it to 50-60mg, not all at once though. I don't like taking more than 30mg at once, but redosing more at 45-60 minute intervals will slowly ramp it up and keep it less intense than taking all of that at once.

I usually start with 25mg, and then add 15-25mg at an hour in, and maybe add 10mg a few more times if I feel like it. I don't really get sedative effects from it until I go higher than that, it makes me feel relaxed but energetic at the same time. Up to 50mg, I want to move a lot and test my balance (for some reason MXE makes me want to balance on things and perform unusual fluid dance moves that require balance whether music is on or not). The first 25mg will alter my thoughts and speech somewhat and get to start feeling that "MXE flow", and the next 15-25mg will make those things much more pronounced and will cause the conversations to get much weirder and more disjointed, but in a way where those of us tripping on it will all understand still.
 
Nice! Thanks for the info! I see exactly what you mean by "fluid dance moves". :)

Question out of the blue: have you holed? Maybe I did, I don't know because I've never done it before. It was on a high dose. At some point, after an intense come-up (including stuff such as becoming part of the floor and seeing me at the 3rd person), I was a spectator, could not control the CEV's. I was seeing my mind in a dark and empty place, it had the form of a flat strap, it was stretched into infinity, and it was forcing on some cylinder or something. It was bending so hard that it was ready to break. I was really feeling like my mind was going to break, pretty scary. I was fighting against this feeling, maybe I should have let it all go (let my mind break). People reading this, what do you think?

But instead of breaking, my mind dissolved (into hundreds of tiny bubbles). Instant relief and feeling of bliss. Then it reassembled and dissolved again. Can't remember how many times it did. But that's my last memory. Then I blacked out (or maybe instead of a blackout, I was tripping hard, but in this case I've forgotten all of it..). I then came back to my senses after what could have been hours (I can't really tell for how much time I was gone. Probably around 30 min - 1h30). Was still tripping balls. From the moment the visuals started, until the blackout, it was actually pretty similar to a smoked salvia experience, only way longer...
 
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Well I went on a little mini-binge of MXE yesterday... somewhere to the tune of 130-140mg over a few hours.

Anyone that says this stuff doesn't have ketamine potential just hasn't been doing it right. There must be a plateau sigma like DXM has because I was straight FUCKED. Synchronicity became the theme of that trip and it flowed into everything around me. Ego death at one point and the tail end I was treated some lovely open eye morphing of wooden grains in the bathroom not unlike what I would see from aMT at about half the amount.

Mixes well with a few beers, takes the edge off greatly. Nothing much on the tachycardia front DESPITE my looking for it (around 100BPM which my average has been pretty high lately so I don't have a baseline to compare it to), only real bodyload was frequent urination.

But the compulsivity is almost as bad as methylone. My 4-HO-MET needs to arrive ASAP so I can lay off this one... AFTER my 4-HO-MET and MXE combo I have planned, that is.

But man... the synchronicity was insane... Bad things were happening to electronics yesterday when I was at the plateau and it was not just for me, it was for all of my friends. Cell phones stopped working, computers crashed, I got blown up on all my personal sites, Facebook, and text messages about people all of a sudden wanting to fuck my brains out, people I haven't talked to in ages...

It was madness!

I was MiXEd up from probably 7AM to 6PM with residuals until I passed out around... 8?
 
MagikalKat thanks for sharing all that, I have had very very similar experiences in that high range of doses, the synchronicity beyond rational explanation and even the speed of heart rate. The song I made recently on a 3 day run was 100 BPM in the key of D as I found it easy to entrain to and very energizing, but not too energizing, like a more sustainable excitement.
 
Yeah MXE has ketamine-like potential, no doubt. The best dissociative hole I have ever had was from MXE.

I also get synchronicity from MXE, the most recent example was actually on an MXE + 4-AcO-DMT combo, but in it, I was listening to an album that had a lot of subject matter in it regarding contemplations about a romantic interest. I was thinking about the girl I've been seeing who is in California right now, who I like a lot, and who is out of cell phone range 95% of the time. I was calmly thinking about her and considering how I feel, and I was starting to really want to talk to her. Then right at this precise moment that was perfect, where I was really yearning, and where the words were saying basically "reach out to me, I want to hear your voice" (paraphrasing), she called me, RIGHT then. It blew my mind a little.

Of course I couldn't talk to her right then, I couldn't speak at all let alone on the phone, so it threw me into quite the loop for a while.
 
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But man... the synchronicity was insane... Bad things were happening to electronics yesterday when I was at the plateau and it was not just for me, it was for all of my friends. Cell phones stopped working, computers crashed, I got blown up on all my personal sites, Facebook, and text messages about people all of a sudden wanting to fuck my brains out, people I haven't talked to in ages...
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I got in my head one time on MXE to mess around inside my computer, and somehow ended up frying the motherboard, both hard drives, and the new video card I was installing. The only things that survived were the power supply and the case (and possibly the CPU, I haven't tested it yet). Oh well, it was time for an upgrade anyway 8)
 
So what is the consensus regarding mixing mxe and mdma? old big and dandies advised against this and now it seems to have changed. Going to a halloween rave there will prolly be "molly" there and its been awhile and I wanna roll but don't wanna die yet.
 
I personally love the combo, in fact I don't really see myself wanting to do MDMA without MXE in the future. It feels safe, of course that can't always be a solid indicator. The early caution was based on the possibility of it being dangerous, but many people have done it and I'm not aware of any specific bad experiences or health concerns reported. I used to say not to do it too until I tried it at a festival.
 
I actually did MXE+MDMA at a festival this past weekend because of the outstanding reports Xorkoth has been giving on the combo, and it was AMAZING. I dropped my MDMA capsule and had to run back out to the car and eyeball my MDMA dosage by picking rocks that I felt equaled my desired dosage (125mg). I ended up having the time of my life, rolling fairly "hard", and then afterwards came to find after weighing the baggie that I'd only taken 60-70mg of MDMA.

Very very good combo. Although I will say, the next days combo of 7mg 4-aco-met, bumps of MXE throughout 7 hours, and two decent bumps of cocaine was just as good if not better. Dancing was even better than MDMA and the euphoria felt more real, if you will. And the euphoria part was before cocaine even got in the mix :P
 
Nice, I'm glad it was amazing for you too. It reduces the required dose of MDMA by a lot, and for me, it's better than even a higher dose of MDMA by itself in some important ways. With pure MDMA I tend to feel really "monged"... I can forget stuff, and my mind isn't really very active or "on it". Also it's quite sedating. With MXE, the euphoria was still there but my mind was sharp as a tack, and I had energy. And the awesome mental effects of MXE were also still there so that added to everything. One of the most synergistic and beautiful combos I've found, I don't really get that excited about MDMA because of the negatives I mentioned (plus a full dose for me will give me the negative emotional aftereffects, whereas with MXE the dose is so low that I feel perfectly fine afterwards), but I'm eager to try the combo again.
 
I'm glad you expounded on that some more. I've only had two experiences with real MDMA, the rest all 6-apb, 5-mapb, etc., so it's useful to read that information. I would highly recommend you try either the acetoxy or hydroxy MET + MXE combo next time you plan to do MDMA + MXE. It really is quite beautiful, if not more so. Feels extremely similar, and was hands down one of the best drug experiences I've ever had.
 
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