The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine / MXE Thread - Holey Shit no. 15

[mastergreensars]

Hi, I am new here but have a couple questions about mxe if you could PM me that would be great. Thanks In advance

 

[methoxetaman]

Making dust causes fecal vision vanish! Wow!

 

[vortech]

Drug of the decade, at least so far in my book.
There's an interesting yin-yang to the time dilation, as in it oscillates around a center symmetrically. If that makes sense to anyone...shower thought LOL..
I'm on day 6 of my on cycle of daily use. Still as good as ever.

 

[St3ve]

^ This, taking a dose of LSD doesn't prepare you for a dissociative, just like taking a dose of MXE doesn't prepare you for a serotonergic psychedelic.

My first experience with MXE was a full on 100mg dose after a long night of psytrancing on what I can only guestimate as have being a ~200mg pill of MDMA. If I'd have had no experience dealing with the extremes of ups and downs that LSD and other psychedelics had put me in, I wouldn't have been able to handle the situation I think... It was an incredible stupid thing to do at the time. I had asked the guy that gave me it, what MXE was and he said it's a ketamine analog. I quickly looked it up on erowid on my phone and read the same thing. I figured it'd just make me feel a bit weird and wobbly for a bit and that'd be it. I didn't expect an extreme M-hole and waking up on the floor with little recollection of what had just happened and being hardly able to move and the world looking completely 2D.

At the time that guy thought I was some incredible hardhead because he'd given me a 100mg dose of 6-APB previously, which didn't do all that much to me (6-APB being his first drug experience and drug of choice in general). I guess this is why he gave me such a ridiculous dose of mxe. Me being in the state I was in didn't think much of it and mindlessly took it not expecting a lot. Oh lord was I wrong xD.

Point I'm getting to is that some LSD-like experience can, to an extend, help you deal with the disso state, although both of them are trippy in very different regards. Just that ability of being able to let go and just letting the drug guide you through whatever it is it wants to do you.

Thanks, good feedback by all posters. I agree trypts and dissos are very different in mechanisms, however they may tend to reach similar insights/conclusions.

In some regard I'm with you in this one, but I'd swap dissos with MXE in particular. Ketamine and DXM have a very thought inhibiting effect on me. In the sense that my mind goes completely blank on them in a similar sort of sense as smoking too much weed, whereas MXE seems to activate a similar thought pattern generator that is comparable to that of classic psychedelics. It's a very unique chemical in the dissociative family.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Obviously to some extent, but I can wholeheartedly say that multiple absurdly high dose DXM trips didn't prepare me for my first rough shroom trip... The insights as well as the place both take me are worlds apart, and the experience as a whole too.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

^Yeah, IME the warm euphoria caused by NDMA antagonists keep me from having a negative experience where as the classic psychedelic experience can range from euphoric to down right scary.

 

[St3ve]

Yeah to me high doses of MXE usually have this background reassuring quality to it. The whole world can be completely weird looking and you can hardly recognize yourself anymore, but at the same time there's a little voice in the back of your head telling you that everything is totally a-OK. Serotonergics don't have this and you need to put more work into it to make them into a rewarding experience.

That said, MXE can cause difficult and negative experiences though... I've witnessed someone having a really bad one and it wasn't easy to reassure him, pulling people out of serotonergic bad trips is much easier in comparison. He seemed to be popping in and out of his M-hole and then saying things like "Hooo shit, why is there three of you? St3ve am I safe? Am I dead?" and then flipping around into the couch until he'd open his eyes again a few minutes later asking the same questions. This cycle kept on repeating for about 8 hours before he managed to calm down a bit. I'm guessing he must've ingested a huge amount for it to last that long (I knew he took a 50mg dose with me and my friend initially, but the two of them redosed an hour into it. I think my friend just gave him the bag and he redosed himself, not knowing that small amounts go a long way...

The only sort of rough time I've had with it was when I was too drunk and had taken a bit of speed earlier on. I took 50mg and then got stuck in some delerious thoughts thinking that my parents were coming to pick me up soon and would see my huddled up in the corner of the bathroom looking like a complete mess. I felt incredible amounts of despair and self-loathing. Even 8mg of etizolam did very little to get me out of that :/. I guess it was preferable over my first and only bad trip with serotonergic psychs, that had me thinking my brain was literally trying to rip itself into two and that I'd never come out of that trip feeling normal again (I did and felt absolutely fantastic the next day :D).

 

[Xorkoth]

I had a difficult experience on MXE once too... generally I dose at 25mg increments and I'll do 2 or maybe 3 of them... getting to 3 (75mg) is often more than I want, but this one time I went for a 4th, for a total of 100mg... then I smoked a bowl, and proceeded to basically hole while I was still up and hanging out with friends. At first it was amazing, I felt that infinite moment feeling and had never felt anything quite like it. Then the energy coursing through me became too much... I felt like I was falling at a million miles an hour through the earth and everything began throbbing and pulsing. I broke out into a cold sweat and was completely unable to interact with people. I felt like I was going to throw up so I laid down and closed my eyes and immediately the energy stopped "leaking" and formed into a locus around me, going in, looping out in concentric bands, and coming back in. I didn't experience any thought, I simply existed there in this slowly rotating space where I felt AMAZING, a perfect physical and mental feeling. For about 6 hours, whenever I got up, I felt bad again but if I laid there with my eyes closed it was wonderful. Before I figured that out though, I was freaking out a bit, internally... I didn't know how I was going to handle hours of that feeling.

MXE is much different when you lay down and go inward vs when you stay active in the world.

 

[vortech]

The meta-programming effects of my MXE and tryptamine use have been particularly noticable as I near the end of this 'on' cycle. My time and space relations are being re-wired, tuned and tweaked with a clear sense of evolving consciousness.
I'm proud of my system for being able to process all of these energies effectively with beneficial effects on my my day-to-day life. It's a good feeling that I'm doing something right up there in my brain, however it is that these drugs facilitate the evolution of my neural networks.
What I mean to say is, the way my consciousness perceives and processes information/energy (as they are one and the same) has been changed at a fundamental level.
Lateral thinking is a good keyword.
Anyone else get that?

 

[Xorkoth]

Another fantastic MXE + MDMA combo. One of the greats if I may be so bold. This time I added a moderate dose of 6-apdb and the combo was glorious... But I think mostly because of the MXE and MDMA. It's just a great combo. 80mg of MDMA, one of the best "rolls" in years. But it's really so much more than a roll... One of the great drug combos. Synergistic in a beautiful way.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

So do you think it's safe to say that it would probably be alright to combine mxe and 5-apb? I have been avoiding mixing the two for awhile after seeing the warnings, specifically reading about your bad time with 4-fa and mxe. I know of course that everyone reacts differently.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

Thanks, good feedback by all posters. I agree trypts and dissos are very different in mechanisms, however they may tend to reach similar insights/conclusions.

which insights/conclusions are those? it would be great to compare notes to see if those insights are more or less in agreement with S. Grof, who studied lsd effects on thousands of subjects while researching in Czechoslovakia during the 60s and 70s

"Do methoxetamine users get similar visions or insights than lsd users? A case study"

 

[Xorkoth]

So do you think it safe to say that it would probably be alright to combine mxe and 5-apb? I have been avoiding mixing the two for awhile after seeing the warnings, specifically reading about your bad time with 4-fa and mxe. I know of course that everyone reacts differently.

I combined MXE with 6-APDB last night, I realize they're not the same chemical but quite related. It went great, actually I even added 80mg of MDMA later on and the 3 chemicals combined into a beautiful, wonderful state. I even feel fine today.

 

[《Plasticity》]

So do you think it safe to say that it would probably be alright to combine mxe and 5-apb? I have been avoiding mixing the two for awhile after seeing the warnings, specifically reading about your bad time with 4-fa and mxe. I know of course that everyone reacts differently.

I definitely wouldn't attempt the combo, not worth the risk. JSPete (now Albion?) had a horrible reaction to the 5-apb/MXE combo three times in a row, the third was a full 3 days after any MXE was taken. Here's his posts on the experiences...

NSFW:

I can go into plenty more detail with regards to what actually happened.

I took 100mg 5-APB. Waited for it to kick in and plugged 50mg MXE. This was absolutely awesome. It was a completely lucid journey through my bedroom roof into the universe beyond. Very nice indeed. Under the influence of the MXE I remember dosing another 100mg of 5-APB. I had about 4 hours of unadulterated fun.

However as I started to return to reality, the hallucinations simply got more and more intense (They were of the wobbly-eye, wiggly worm, floating translucent blob variety). These symptoms got gradually worse over the space of about 2 hours. I tried to keep time, but I couldn't read or understand the time on my phone.

My vision was a mess. The intensity of my bedside lamp completely overwhelmed my field of view. Everything turned to a red and purple infra-red camera-style vision.

My brain was making a 'swish-swish-swish-swish' sound, and felt as though it was about to burst.

I felt as though I was filling with air, unbearably 'inflating' far more than capacity allowed.

My heart beat was just a blur. Was beating so, so fast....Faster than it ever should.

Muscles were shaking uncontrollably, whole body tensed up.

I had to keep moving about because every time I laid down, consciousness seemed to slip away. If I stopped moving for even a few seconds, I lost all feeling in my body. As it was, my brain was aching, my face had gone numb, extremities were numb. My vision began to fade, began to look as though I was watching events through a flickering projector. Everything just turned to pot, faculties such as sight, sound, touch were all failing. Naturally I believed I was going to die.

So I continued the cycle of calm breathing, sitting up, sitting down, turning light on, turning light off, so that I wasn't overwhelmed by numbness and blindness. I ought to point out that I became seriously exhausted. I almost gave up. However after 3 hours or so, the effects began to subside. Whatever it was, it felt like it could have been lethal. I'm sure it's enough of an ordeal to put a body into shock, or trigger heart failure.

So dopamine syndrome? Serotonin syndrome? The level of hallucination I had would be on par with high dopamine levels, but I did not become psychotic or paranoid about anything other than my own health. By the 48 hour mark the effects had gone completely, but left me very shaken.

People who have previously combined MXE with 6-APB and 5-APB, you must have been very lucky to not have run into a situation like this. Also this is probably the last time I try out a combo because others recommended it. It is apparent that this is not safe at all.


Hopefully this provides enough information for someone in the know to recognise the symptoms and hazard a guess as to what happened, and how much danger I was really in.

I took 50mg of MXE yesterday evening. I had been on 5-APB the day before. Everything was normal, only I couldn't get to sleep after no matter what, even well after the effects of the MXE had worn off. I started to get hot flushes running up around my temples along with the occasional shiver. Upon trying to sleep, within seconds of me laying still my face would contort and my tongue would roll back inside of me and prevent me from breathing. I'd come over all pleasurable as this happened. Then one particular bout of this left me seriously struggling to remain conscious. I had to get up, move about, in order to fight this overwhelming feeling of sleepiness. I've been fighting this feeling for a couple of hours now. It's constantly trying to sedate me. If I shut my eyes for one moment the euphoria and drowsiness overwhelms me. My body goes rapidly numb, my tongue rolls back, my face contorts. It feels as though my body is trying to put me in a coma. I feel a lot of pressure around my temples, my brain is also squelching a little. This is very unnerving. The fact that my body is blasting out this euphoria, urging me to go along with it. But it feels so, so wrong. I'm not sure how long this is going to go on for, all I know is that as long as I don't give in, I'm still alive and breathing.

What the hell is happening to me??? It feels as though my own body is trying to lure me into something awful. It's so sinister, my own body has foregone pain and instead chosen to knock me out cold with an irresistible euphoria. Like it's saying 'there there, it'll all be over soon'. Is this something anyone has encountered before?

I'm feeling much better thankyou.

Unfortunately the exact same thing happened yesterday, a full 3 days after I took the 5-APB and more than a day since the last incident. I just dosed the MXE, and 7 hours later I was struggling to hold it together. 1 solid hour of moving about, massaging my head, trying not to let it build up, or let myself get too panicked. I don't know whether 5-APB has such a long half-life that it was still dangerous, or whether I've developed a dangerous reaction to MXE. I'm never touching either drug again, nor any other for a very, very long time.

There is a definite pattern to this experience though.

First 1-4 hours standard MXE experience. No troubles

Hours 5-6 I return to baseline mentally, but physically weak. Coordination is awful, fingers and extremities become numbed. Vision becomes very wobbly, my eyes slide about as though on ice, unable to keep them on any particular focal point.

Hours 7-10 consciousness slips, rhythmic squelching in head, brain feels as though it is inflating. Hallucinations (vision becomes reminiscent of rain running down a window), colour distortion, detachment from reality. Speech slurred.

Hours 10 + slowly fades away (very slowly).

Taken from this thread: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/568836-Strange-and-unnerving-drug-interaction

 

[Xorkoth]

Hmm, that's concerning. I was fine with 6-APDB and MXE last night, no adverse reactions of any kind, although it took me like double the MXE to feel what I normally do and even then it was less dissociating.

 

[vortech]

Crossing streams of energy producing interference patterns.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Has anyone here combined 5-meo-mipt with MXE? I am considering it.

I'm thinking of dosing the 5-meo-mipt and after 2-3 hours shooting for an m-hole.

 

[Xorkoth]

I have not but I bet they would go well together... the tryptamines I have combined it with have worked out well (4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT... the 4-AcO-DMT combo was especially wonderful).

 

[phuckingnutz]

Even my limited experience with MXE has shown me that it is highly "morph-able" depending on what it's mixed with, more so than most other subs I've had experience with...the two instances where I added weed to the mix totally changed the "nature of the beast" for me...and I'm sure that there are others out there that may be ill-advised, for me at least...
5-apb seems to be one of those. However, I know Xorkoth seemed to like the weed mix, but I haven't quite yet acquired that particular taste.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I've taken MXE with 5-meo-mipt before, that I know of for sure, but I can't seem to remember the experience, sorry . What I can say was that there were no adverse effects as those I tend to remember.

Hmm, that's concerning. I was fine with 6-APDB and MXE last night, no adverse reactions of any kind, although it took me like double the MXE to feel what I normally do and even then it was less dissociating.

Good to hear man. Now, we wouldn't wanna lose one of the greatest posters and writing contributors bluelight's ever seen to some unforseen event now do we . I too have combined MXE with SRA's, namely aMT and 6-APB, but this seems unwise given MXE's SRI activity so in the name of harm reduction I think combining releasers with MXE should be discouraged, especially with the experience quoted above which definitely sounds more like an adverse physical reaction than a "bad time".

I do know that the majority of people who take selective SRI's typically experience a dulling effect when taking releasers, but there are also those who experience adverse reactions, and possibly even serotonin syndrome though I can't confirm that, and since the term is so overused and associated with SSRI/SRA use it becomes hard to figure out what's real and what's just a user having a bad time and calling it "SS". Someone feel free to chime in on the possibility of serotonin syndrome from the two, some will argue to the death that there's only a reduction.

Btw, how did you like 6-apdb? It's my favorite, though not as easy on the body as for side-effects IME, at least when compared to the rest.