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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine (MXE) Thread - Chapter 14

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I'd like to open up my 'Multidisciplinary analysis of MXE' to collaborators. I want to cover as many angles of this drug as possible, and for that I can't do it alone. It's 65 pages at this point, already longer than I had imagined it would be, yet there is still a lot to write.

What am I looking for from collaborators? Anything really, as long as it is informative, insightful, or interesting. In particular, anyone who can write about chemistry, pharmacology, law and other technical aspects that I haven't filled in yet. Mental health professionals could add valuable perspective in a number of sections as it covers the potential for using it in drug-assisted psychotherapy and other scenarios. I cover different theories of consciousness as it relates to understanding the phenomenology, so anyone studying that would be welcome. Finally, and the biggest section, is the phenomenological analysis. This is where 'regular users' can contribute with insightful experience, tips for set and setting, philosophy and ideas relating to spirituality.

I write a lot about what I call intentional energy 'tuning', and go back into ancient philosophies to show that this idea is nothing new (i.e. yoga) and already accepted in modern science (i.e. biofeedback). I hypothesize that MXE facilitates the ability to tune consciousness in novel ways and as such has novel applications for healing/balancing the energy of our body, mind and spirit, especially in conjunction with traditional methods of tuning such as meditation and yoga. Other psychedelics also have this ability in varying capacities, and I do touch on that as well, but the focus is on MXE.

I have been creating the document through google drive which is great as it easily allows collaborative options. Let me know if you'd like to join me!
 
in regards to all of this, if reality really is just inside of our heads, and all of our esoteric knowledge and understanding was derived from past experience with psychedelic compounds giving us things like mystical symbology and what have you. From what i can tell this compound has a vast and wide array of effects. You could technically do that with any compound, build a religion out of it. Look at DPT. I think the brevity, smoothness to disassociate while being in a constant state of reassociation due to the dopamine release with MXE, means that ultimately while this compound is capable of producing sacred experiences. It is in by no means natural. It's like a little tumbling molecule that spirals into your brain and touches many different receptors randomly. If you have been for awhile without sacred experience and you do this and receive one.
Accept it. But as the days wear on it feels more plastic than some of my other experiences....

Like 2c-e will grip you by the titties and show you yourself very vicariously then break you apart and put you back together again, but not everytime.
There is Waaay more magic in 2c-e. It can also be a rather mean compound. But in the best possible way.

MXE feels more like a philosophers tool, or an imagination machine. Or a writers tool. I couldn't imagine doing this compound often. When i am coming down off of mxe, i want to build things. I certainly cannot explain myself.
The mild phosphene images that linger in the back ground are like machines. But i have no design knowledge but it all "feels" important.

Whereas with DMT, that 15 minute blast every single thing you see and experience IS important. and you work through it all, only to find that everything you experienced is going to come creeping up on you like Deja Vu as months pass... it's kind of interesting to see a pattern on DMT, and have it like burned into your memory, then finding it somewhere in your daily life. Example there was this image, i once hallucinated into an old pair of curtains.
Oddly enough my mom bought me some curtains for Christmas, and i had smoked this DMT in the Spring time. As i unwrapped the curtains I remember just looking at her like. "thank you, but how did you know?!"

MXE just leaves the yearning for the dopamine receptors to be tickled again. With the "feeling" knowledge has been gained. I don't know if that is good or bad yet... I don't feel as if the revelations or feelings that one can obtain from it are actually useful in daily life, being that this compound can be very far disassociating. I mean, I saw a desert on this stuff while listening to the glitch mob, and i hallucinated a giant praying mantis walking across the pyramids with Mars in the sky. So while that is really fucking beautiful, and i felt it in every single way imaginable. I don't think that i can actually, USE that to benefit my daily existence. i'll certainly be doing it again...
But not for awhile...
 
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240sxLover said:
I seem to be allergic to DXM/Robotussin; 60mg is plenty enough to dissociate me.

Given this, would I be predisposed to stronger trips/danger from other dissociatives such as MXE and Ketamine?

Is there anyone here who has the same issues with DXM that has tried MXE and could chime in on any potential issues and how MXE affects them compared to DXM?
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I think people who're very sensitive to DXM are affected by the same differences in metabolism as those who're highly sensitive to Codeine if I recall correctly, I might be thinking of something different though so don't quote me on that. I'm sure in most cases it's metabolic though and I haven't heard of those types of issues affecting MXE or Ketamine so I wouldn't automatically assume you'd be sensitive to them.

I'm more sensitive to DXM than most too, maybe not as sensitive as you are - I feel 60mg myself, albeit weakly - but I'm no more sensitive than any other person to MXE or K. I don't have any issues with DXM necessarily other than maybe how I've used it to potentiate opiates a lot in the past and had to take like 30mg to do so without it altering the high at all. While other people were able to take 100-150mg and get better potentiation I couldn't because I'd feel that weird dissociative edge which I didn't like colouring those opi highs.

That said, even if it's likely that your DXM sensitivity won't affect other dissociatives, it's still worth starting low. Imagine if you are sensitive and you dive straight in at the deep end, might not be too fun.
 
^Thanks for your reply Jesusgreen. I'm about 130lbs on average for the past few years, and my metabolism moves so fast I get hungry right after eating... Yet I can't put on weight for shit lol.
 
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What is your opinion about MXE and musical creativity?
Do you think it could a good tool for that?
 
How are you intending to be musically creative? Low doses can enhance and facilitate a flow state of creativity so long as you aren't needing your left-brain so much. Exploring freely on an instrument you already are comfortable playing can be great. However, if you are producing electronic music you need to be very comfortable in your software or you will get lost. MXE brings no shortage of ideas and inspiration, but acting upon it may be more labored than normal. A low dose of 3-meo-Pcp may be better suited for this purpose.
 
I produce electronic music but I'm in a time period where I feel like I want to "assimilate" all my past works and methods and shift to a new happy / inspirational period. I'm not intending to produce under the influence, I love to produce sober.
But at the same time I'm seeking new ideas and fresher version of me/my sound.
 
I think you already know your answer. Use MXE to explore possibilities, maybe just have a microphone recording to 'jot down' anything inspiring that comes through your 'antennae' by humming and banging rhythms on random objects. Then later when you are sober you can evaluate and pick out what you want to develop. On a large enough dose I will literally hear an entire spectra of music that is more wild than most things I've ever heard. I wish I had a microphone that would record that stuff directly! I've also had many bouts of 'channeled' vocalizations that I really wish were recorded at the time. Really spiritual experience!
I know what you mean though about assimilating past works and moving on with a new positive sound. I've made over a dozen albums of electronic music through the many years and listening back at it, my sound would be so much different if I were to make music now, but at the same time there are a lot of good elements in my old sound that I don't want to lose.
 
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I luv me sum mxe, like I luv me sum good beers. But last couple months when doing beers+mxe combo I have been getting fast aggressive, feeling like no one can do me anything, I just fuck em up. WTF? I am not aggressive in general, not in this way I get when doing this combo at all.. & im a daily drinker, so not because of the beers. Any ideas why it could be I get like that guys?
 
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I luv me sum mxe, like I luv me sum good beers. But last couple months when doing beers+mxe combo I have been getting fast aggressive, feeling like no one can do me anything, I just fuck em up. WTF? I am not aggressive in general, not in this way I get when doing this combo at all.. & im a daily drinker, so not because of the beers. Any ideas why it could be I get like that guys?
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Yeah, I've had this happen with MXE + alcohol when I was using them daily. I had overall less impulse control and inhibition, was too overconfident and cocky, strange calm but easily violent and physical.

It felt dopamine related. Almost like a manic episode starting.

Dopamine antagonists (antipsychotic) stopped it for me.
 
Ive had afterglows that have done that to me, calm and confident but short fuse, it made me pretty manic towards the end
 
lurching said:
Yeah, I've had this happen with MXE + alcohol when I was using them daily. I had overall less impulse control and inhibition, was too overconfident and cocky, strange calm but easily violent and physical.

It felt dopamine related. Almost like a manic episode starting.

Dopamine antagonists (antipsychotic) stopped it for me.
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Methoxetamine also has major effects on the Cerebellum and has led to multiple cases of cerebellar toxicity.
The cerebellum plays a huge role in motoric skills, but also does stuff for your fear and pleasure sense.
Damage in this area might make you less afraid of confrontation?
I have always been the sweetest guy, but I really felt like punching someone (who annoyed me, in my defense) in the face at a party last week.
Usually I wouldn't even have thought about it, because I'm just 1.70m and that's not really an impressive length here in the Netherlands 8)
 
Is this magical compound REALLY being banned in the EU now as well? What does that mean? Will it disappear? Will they just change shipping hubs again like after the UK ban?? Is it ACTUALLY being banned, because I see nothing about this in Drugs In The Media.............I would LOVE some answers 'cuz it's about to be time to place a SERIOUS order if that's the case. Thanks to all. Stock the FUCK UP!!
 
hawaii said:
I produce electronic music but I'm in a time period where I feel like I want to "assimilate" all my past works and methods and shift to a new happy / inspirational period. I'm not intending to produce under the influence, I love to produce sober.
But at the same time I'm seeking new ideas and fresher version of me/my sound.
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Maybe, but it is quite fun to play with tones and textures while under the influence, albeit clumsily. I only have my guitar and effects these days but I'd love my old synth + fuzz + delay and just make textures to transport.
About half of my effect presets for my guitar were created that way, and a lot of the time they are quite lovely for use later and sober.
 
lurching said:
Yeah, I've had this happen with MXE + alcohol when I was using them daily. I had overall less impulse control and inhibition, was too overconfident and cocky, strange calm but easily violent and physical.

It felt dopamine related. Almost like a manic episode starting.

Dopamine antagonists (antipsychotic) stopped it for me.
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mxe plus alc can be bad in public with strangers. I have zero filter. I will start preaching to people about drugs and criminalizing myself to strangers.
 
GolemGolem said:
Maybe, but it is quite fun to play with tones and textures while under the influence, albeit clumsily. I only have my guitar and effects these days but I'd love my old synth + fuzz + delay and just make textures to transport.
About half of my effect presets for my guitar were created that way, and a lot of the time they are quite lovely for use later and sober.
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You got any vids or recordings?
 
LearntYoung said:
Yes it is being banned soon.
Question is whether or not the underground market will start producing it.
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Considering a lot of it is produced in China anyway, I doubt it'll disappear. If Mephedrone survived the EU-wide bans, I'm sure MXE will. I think MXE was actually more popular on the whole, just had less of the media hype that surrounded Mephedrone.
 
Yesterday, a friend of mine came in when I was tripping on MXE and what he did was surreal!
He made me put in in-ear headlines and listen to a virtual barber.
After that he made me listen to a virtual thunderstorm.
Both were amazing!

@Jesusgreen: There's no mephedrone to be found here anymore.
People often still buy it, but if they being it to lab to get tested, it's often something else.
3-MMC or whatever.
Even those who were certain they had the real 4-MMC.
This is the Netherlands I'm speaking of by the way.
 
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