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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine (MXE) Thread - Chapter 14

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Thank you Confield, yeah I jumped onto the Bluelight train years too late. Its the Methoxetamine Big & Dandies that were a major factor in making me decide to become a bluelighter though.

Heres a drug invented by a Bluelighter, marketed by vendors who keep a finger on the pulse of Bluelight who's development is being chronicled on Bluelight. BL is drug history in the making.

Some time ago I got on the soapbox here and made a stand that 3-MeO-PCP was overpriced, that this was harming the development of the drug on he free gray market and so forth. Several members chimed in with their 2 cents. Several weeks later several vendors known to be Bluelight responsive markedly dropped their 3-MeO prices. Coincidence? Maybe but BL is at the heart of the RC revolution and whats discussed here matters in the real world.

Confield, whats plugging 3-MeO like? Is it more anesthetic and less manic too? Does the dose too go down by much compared to oral? How much? What doses are you using, and how much would you use orally or Intranasally?

If rectal admin for MXE is indeed superior in effects to IM, then this is harm reduction at its finest. The needle can do horrid things for you if it goes wrong, whereas the butt handles nasty shit on a daily basis =D

Confield would you agree that plugging MXE requires twice the dose of MXE IM?
 
Confield, whats plugging 3-MeO like? Is it more anesthetic and less manic too? Does the dose too go down by much compared to oral? How much? What doses are you using, and how much would you use orally or Intranasally?

If rectal admin for MXE is indeed superior in effects to IM, then this is harm reduction at its finest. The needle can do horrid things for you if it goes wrong, whereas the butt handles nasty shit on a daily basis

Confield would you agree that plugging MXE requires twice the dose of MXE IM?

I'm interested in these questions.

IM became my choice ROA for mxe, and mxe became my DOC, It was originally an efficiency orientated choice - However it's become more ritualistic for me, and sometimes I feel I'm blinded by that compulsion.

A question in regards to tolerance though, how persistent is tolerance though as my mxe tolerance went through the roof at the peak of my use (or maybe the product got cut more), but my ketamine (IM) dose has never changed, regardless of use?
 
How do you guys store your mxe? On the info sheet I got with it it says to store it in a relatively cool environment. I have never kept it below my average room temperature and never really had any problems with the chemical losing its effect, but I was just wondering what you guys think of the importance of storing it in a cool place?
 
@Asante & isthisincognito: Hello,

I have found 3-MeO-PCP is sort of unpredictable regardless of ROA, sometimes it seems to hit me hard on small doses and sometimes even larger doses don't effect me until I will eventually redose myself to the point when I've taken an overdose resulting in confusion and lethargy. I use the same doses regardless of ROA (nasal, sublingual, rectal). Nasal and rectal will result in a faster comeup than sublingual. My dose is usually about ~8-15mg but I will have to redose couple of times because I have tolerance. Sublingual and oral dosing of 3-MeO-PCP or MXE causes acid reflux type symptoms so I avoid them.

Nasal 3-MeO-PCP does cause more mania/impulsiveness than rectal use, I'm now pretty sure of this. I would say rectal is more "anaesthetic" if you will.

Plugging MXE vs. i.m. MXE: same dose for me, but as I said plugging is much more comfortable and safe.

In regards to tolerance to MXE or other dissos in general.... I have absolutely no idea! I've been a chronic user for a couple of years and I do have a tolerance but these drugs do get me high, it just feels like the high has become a bit different compared to the times when I was less tolerant. For example, I haven't holed in months. But what is happening, I am constantly going through symptoms of mania or even manic psychosis or something similar to schizotypal personality disorder. I have been diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder years ago so my brain may be a bit different from the other guy and I'm probably more prone to "psychotic" thought patterns or behaviour but I consider myself kind of sane and functional, if this makes any sense. It must be noted I'm also taking benzos daily, shifting between oxazepam and alprazolam at the moment, trying to keep the dose as low as possible. Oxazepam dose daily 15-30 mg, alprazolam 1-1.5 mg. I'll usually break the tablets and consume only a bit at a time.

My personal opinion is that chronic use of dissociatives causes a long term "damage" to the nervous system and the brain, thereby causing a very long lasting tolerance. I'm using quotation marks because sometimes I'm enjoying this brain damage like I've never enjoyed anything before.

Negative symptoms: my memory is fucked, I'm sometimes a bit paranoid or incoherent in my thoughts and I have a high BP. During "bad" moments I'm impulsive and can become agitated very easily and I will make hasty decisions. I've never been violent or yelled at anyone or broken anything or strolled down the road butt naked in the winter like one bluelighter did in a bout of 3-MeO-PCP induced madness (I hope you are feeling better now!), but my loved ones are concerned about my physical and mental health and I have hurt their feelings. I'm spending more money than I should since I'm unemployed and out of money all the time. Hmm. I'm also urinating quite frequently. There may me negative symptoms that are not quite manifesting themselves, for example if I would have a pain somewhere I might not notice it because of the pain killing properties of these drugs etc.

I am very nervous and anxious if don't take benzos or dissociatives or alcohol etc. This is not a result from my drug use imho, since I've battled with severe anxiety and depression since I was a child and I have only started using drugs about 4-5 yrs ago, I am now 30.

My drug regimen:

I will take small doses (10-20 mg MXE) rectally whenever I feel like it, usually hourly. When I've reached "gnosis", I won't have to take a drug for a couple of hours. I'll stop taking drugs before midnight so I'll get 6-8 hrs of sleep every night. Total daily dose with MXE amounts to 150-200 mg rectally. Total daily dose range of 3-MeO-PCP ~20-30 mg perhaps. At the moment I'm only using 3-MeO-PCP since I'm out of MXE. I used 3-MeO-PCP nasally for a couple of days but it hurts my nose so I'm back to rectal dosing now and it's good, although I'm not sure if this chemical is very safe for my butt either as it's clearly not good for nasal use (stuffed nose, blood in my mucus), but rectal dosing does not cause pain, so I'm not too worried for now. 3-MeO-PCP use for me is not as compulsive as MXE because of the longer duration. MXE feels more benign for rectal use, or any ROA pretty much in regards to the "corrosive" feeling of 3-MeO-PCP hydrochloride/hydrobromide, so I'd rather use MXE daily if I could choose.

If someone can elaborate how sensitive the rectum is compared to nasal membrane in regards to rectal use of drugs, I'd be very happy to hear this information. Thanks.

Like I've stated somewhere recently, I have also taken some tramadol now for 3-4 days, this seems to have a strange synergy with 3-MeO-PCP. Daily tramadol dose 50-100 mg. Tramadol or tramadol combined with 3-MeO-PCP has caused minor nausea, so I have taken ½-1 tablets of cyclizine now with tramadol. I'm trying to get rid of daily tramadol use now so I would be only using 3-MeO-PCP (and benzos). I enjoy tramadol more than other opioids I've tried in the past (codeine, oxycodone, buprenorphine, O-DT) but I would rather not get physically and/or mentally dependant on it.

I have been also consuming quite a lot of alcohol (simultaneously with disso use, naturally) for a few weeks but I'm now getting rid of this nasty habit, because it fucks with my physical health and causes rebound anxiety and depression. My beverage of choice is dark rum (cuba libre) and beer.

I'm also taking 1-2 mg melatonin every night. After one hour of consuming melatonin whilst under the influence of 3-MeO-PCP and tramadol, I have heard some strange inner monologues inside my brain and had closed eye visions before falling to sleep.

I'm taking B12, D vitamin, magnesium & B6 daily, I also used to take Q10 but I'm all out at the moment.

I store my MXE and other drugs in baggies, stored in dark, in room temperature.

I've edited this post now about a dozen of times. I hope my writing is as coherent as possible, easy to read and educational. English is not my native language so there may be some grammatical flaws etc.

Confield
 
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lmfao!! yeah im looking to "store" some mxe and am worried about it degrading before I get a chance to shove it all up my butt first. Riiight. Nice to see we are really adding to mankind with this wealth of knowledge. What the fuck is this fluffy shit postman, this aint no birfday part aye, i dont want cake i dont want yellow i want white mxe crystals up my butt. For science!! and harm reduction!! Nice to see the big and dandy mxeee hasn't gone full retard.
 
lmfao!! yeah im looking to "store" some mxe and am worried about it degrading before I get a chance to shove it all up my butt first. Riiight. Nice to see we are really adding to mankind with this wealth of knowledge. What the fuck is this fluffy shit postman, this aint no birfday part aye, i dont want cake i dont want yellow i want white mxe crystals up my butt. For science!! and harm reduction!! Nice to see the big and dandy mxeee hasn't gone full retard.
Thanks for the feedback mr fuckUwil$on. I'm aware there have been constant waves of madness here on BL and all over the world, but I do honestly think we are practising harm reduction with these posts and informing people about our experiences. Sorry if you are offended or concerned by the habit of shoving drugs up our assholes instead of snorting or injecting these drugs.
 
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lmfao!! yeah im looking to "store" some mxe and am worried about it degrading before I get a chance to shove it all up my butt first. Riiight. Nice to see we are really adding to mankind with this wealth of knowledge. What the fuck is this fluffy shit postman, this aint no birfday part aye, i dont want cake i dont want yellow i want white mxe crystals up my butt. For science!! and harm reduction!! Nice to see the big and dandy mxeee hasn't gone full retard.

Seems to me you're the one shitposting.
 
lmfao!! yeah im looking to "store" some mxe and am worried about it degrading before I get a chance to shove it all up my butt first. Riiight. Nice to see we are really adding to mankind with this wealth of knowledge. What the fuck is this fluffy shit postman, this aint no birfday part aye, i dont want cake i dont want yellow i want white mxe crystals up my butt. For science!! and harm reduction!! Nice to see the big and dandy mxeee hasn't gone full retard.

I don't get it, you have a problem with rectal administration or with talking about MXE experiences?
 
Confield, thank you for going at length about your usage and adding valuable information. Very good news I think, that rectal 3-MeO-PCP apparently follows the pattern of rectal MXE, being less manic and more anesthetic. More anesthethic is conductive to the mystical experiences and lying around peacefully whereas the more manic ones are more inviting to anxiety and acting out in the real world while out of your gourd. Its great that you equate the rectal dose of MXE to the IM one. Drugs-forum.com has a chart that basically pegs relative potencies as 3 oral = 2 rectal = 1 IM, which is quite a difference from your experience, as they rate it half as potent as IM and you as equipotent. As for me I am yet unsure, to few data points, I can already tell however that rectal is a lot more potent than oral, I think about twice as potent, but after the plateau it drops off quite fast to levels similar to the same dose orally.

With 3-MeO-PCP you use the same dose rectal as sublingual, would you say it is about as strong, or more potent? If you say the comeup is faster, thats almost guaranteed to mean higher potency as fewer passes through the liver are made. How long does it take to peak? I take it you use the HCl salt, as 3-MeO-PCP HBr is very poorly water soluble.

And yes I defend rectal MXE as harm reduction. It reduces the amount of the drug needed for a desired effect compared to oral use, and with it reduces the stress the drug places on the metabolic organs like liver, gall bladder, kidneys and bladder. Compared to intramuscular use, the potency and effects are in the same ballpark without use of the needle and all the great harms that can come from incorrect use of them. The very reason rectal use works so good, is because the colon's natural purpose is to efficiently extract water containing small molecules into the bloodstream, so you are not abusing an organ for an unnatural purpose, such as deliberately inhaling smoke in the lungs or snorting fine dusts up the nostrils.
 
How does plugging MXE compare with nasal administration? I had great success trying aMT rectally and am very curious about MXE this way but I'm just curious how different it is to snorting it.
Nasal is just about the worst route for MXE so far the experience of my friends is concerned, with even oral administration on an empty stomach resulting in stronger experiences. Rectal is close to indistinguishable from IM for me -- so much so I've never bothered with IM since plugging MXE for the first time. If it's weaker than IM at all it's only by 10-15% as far as I can tell, and so much more convenient/fast/safe/comfortable. There's not much sense in IMing in my opinion unless you have a needle fetish or a medical condition/hang-up with your own butt.
 
Yeah, IM is maybe 20% more potent in my experience? They both have their merits...as Asante points out, rectal is safer....and the slightly slower come up is smooth and nice. I prefer IM just because I can gauge my dose better....rectal is less predictable for me. And admittedly, I may have a needle fetish of sorts leftover from a decade of decadent destructive habits! ;)
 
Nasal is just about the worst route for MXE so far the experience of my friends is concerned, with even oral administration on an empty stomach resulting in stronger experiences. Rectal is close to indistinguishable from IM for me -- so much so I've never bothered with IM since plugging MXE for the first time. If it's weaker than IM at all it's only by 10-15% as far as I can tell, and so much more convenient/fast/safe/comfortable. There's not much sense in IMing in my opinion unless you have a needle fetish or a medical condition/hang-up with your own butt.
This is fantastic news for me as I despise snorting anything but MXE was one of the very few things I'd make an exception (only MXE and 4-HO-DPT & possibly DPT). I'm really, really looking forward to my next monthly MXE vacation!!
 
I took like 20mg mxe 5 hours ago. Right now it seems my muscles are tense and I can't stop shaking. I'm not shaking a lot, but just a little bit everywhere and can't fall asleep. It feels like i'm freezing and I can't stop being cold even with blankets and shit. What the hell? I never reacted to mxe this way and I'm fairly sure that the stuff I have is indeed mxe. Should I be worried?
 
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^ I've experienced that, I likened it to "Ketamine Shivers" - Something I nearly always get when insufflating ketamine.

I've only had it once, the batch I experienced it never produced the symptom thereafter, I just chalked it to mxe being a little unpredictable sometimes.
 
How long did it take for it to go away? Honestly I'm pretty worried right now and I need to sleep but can't
 
This morning I took 50mg MXE rectally, to explore.

A kick in the face and then some, even with my sizable shortterm tolerance.

I decided that 50mg rectally, even with my tolerance, is too much. Its best to let the tolerance drop and plug a lower dose.

Plugging, like foretold by my inner dialogue, has completely changed my perspective on MXE use. I find myself naturally abandoning the whole concept of repeat dosing at this point, in favor of single rectal doses spaced far apart to minimize tolerance.

My oral use was very much geared to the whole repeat dosing/all day ascent type of extravaganza but changing my ROA completely turned that mentality around.

One dose, one ascent, one experience, one descent. Not a gradual saturation with repeat doses that individually fall short of the mark, which is already being metabolized as its coming up because of the ROA, but instead one p0lunge, one dose, one deep dive into the realm, trying to achieve the goals, then the descent.

Changing ROA's I find the whole binge mentality I had dissolving. The fundamental approacxh to the drug is changing for me.
 
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