The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

[knock]

Cells! That's what the round-cornered rectangles were like in my freeze-frame. Cells, with a nucleus.

 

[davem]

.....This is the inspiration for my earlier post appreciating the ability to

F R E E Z E



F R A M E


and carry on.

I have experiences occasionally, I think the first time was with Salvia, where I feel I enter infinity. It seems to be getting down to molecular level and using a 'crowbar' to prise two molecules apart to stop them vibrating. In that instant time stops and does as you describe - freeze frame. That moment lasts forever, but takes sooooo much effort that I eventually have to let the 'crow bar' go and the little buggers start vibrating again and everything starts up again, including time. Whilst in that state of infinity, everything is understood - loops, energy, time and causality. It really is beautiful and it sooooo helps me appreciate and enjoy my life fully in a way I never thought I would.....having been bought up a cafflik

 

[davem]

That report puts the profound aspects of this drug into words. I get the overwhelming sense that the experience is totally real, that I am uncovering the secrets of the universe. I am talking to my own cells, and taking a sneak peak at the bigger picture.

I honestly would not be surprised to discover that this is not a drug, but a key to the meaning of life, because that is what it feels like at higher doses.

I so used to get that with Salvia - step outside, take a look, enjoy the cosmic joke, come to, laughing my tits off and rapidly forgetting the joke but safe in the knowledge that it's all alright after all - everything that happens is supposed to and nothing is 'wrong'

 

[amanitadine]

I honestly would not be surprised to discover that this is not a drug, but a key to the meaning of life, because that is what it feels like at higher doses.

I would be very careful with that line of thinking JSPete. While the feeling is an incredible one, it is fleeting, and that effect is not unique to methoxetamine. It is a recurring theme with NMDA antagonists, and has led many a fellow to lose the plot entirely, especially in regards to ketamine. This seduction and allure is why many have dubbed ketamine "psychedelic heroin" and this (along with several high profile deaths and many more problems with severe addiction) is why many in the psychedelic community are very wary of NMDA antagonists.

Having been seduced by this sensation and doggedly pursuing the "answer" myself years ago, I urge caution, and to take it all with at least a grain of salt. After spending far too long trying to answer "the question", the only answer I was satisfied with was the inherent audacity of the question:D

Its all fun and good, just keep in mind that NMDA antagonists such as ketamine (and possibly methoxetamine....I think we won't know for awhile) for good reason have earned the title of some of the most psychologically addictive drugs out there.

Be safe, and have fun

 

[Albion]

I would be very careful with that line of thinking JSPete. While the feeling is an incredible one, it is fleeting, and that effect is not unique to methoxetamine. It is a recurring theme with NMDA antagonists, and has led many a fellow to lose the plot entirely, especially in regards to ketamine. This seduction and allure is why many have dubbed ketamine "psychedelic heroin" and this (along with several high profile deaths and many more problems with severe addiction) is why many in the psychedelic community are very wary of NMDA antagonists.

Having been seduced by this sensation and doggedly pursuing the "answer" myself years ago, I urge caution, and to take it all with at least a grain of salt. After spending far too long trying to answer "the question", the only answer I was satisfied with was the inherent audacity of the question:D

Its all fun and good, just keep in mind that NMDA antagonists such as ketamine (and possibly methoxetamine....I think we won't know for awhile) for good reason have earned the title of some of the most psychologically addictive drugs out there.

Be safe, and have fun

I was not aware of that, thanks for the heads up. Perhaps it is too good to be true. I feel as though I am on the brink of a monumental revelation when in the trip, and I can certainly sympathise with trying to chase that revelation and unmask it.

So the secret is to always remember that no emotion or experience whilst intoxicated can hold a light to the real and now?

 

[amanitadine]

So the secret is to always remember that no emotion or experience whilst intoxicated can hold a light to the real and now?

Well I wouldn't say that...(in fact I might disagree with that statement...) ...I would say the secret is to always remember the addictive potential in visiting these alternate realities, and what exactly it is you can take from them to enhance (if you will) this reality.

Just trying to remind you to be safe. Like I said, I didnt have any idea of the addiction potential when I first started playing with arylcyclohexylamines years ago, and boy I could have saved myself a lot of grief had I been a little better informed.

Have fun, and be safe

 

[invert]

I was not aware of that, thanks for the heads up. Perhaps it is too good to be true. I feel as though I am on the brink of a monumental revelation when in the trip, and I can certainly sympathise with trying to chase that revelation and unmask it.

So the secret is to always remember that no emotion or experience whilst intoxicated can hold a light to the real and now?

Someone on here, I forget who, has suggested (in relation to the classical psychedelics, not to dissociatives, but I think the suggestion could apply here too) that, rather than promoting insights and revelations, psychedelics promote the same feeling one has when having an insight or revelation, without actually inducing any such insights or revelations.

I'm not sure I agree wholly with that... I think that part of it is that psychedelics allow one to have thoughts one wouldn't normally have, thus increasing the range of possible assertions to pick from (without necessarily increasing the average insightfulness of them): if one retains the ability to decide what is an insightful and what is not an insightful assertion, this increased range would lead to one genuinely accessing more insights with psychedelics than without.

The third possibility, which some espouse, but which I doubt, is that psychedelics actually increase insightfulness directly, rather than just increasing the range of thoughts/feelings experienced.

However, it's difficult to choose among the accounts. The insightful-feeling account of apparent psychedelic insights seems to be just as capable of explaining our experience of insights as either of the actual-insights accounts. I suspect it might be a combination of the first two possibilities (sense of awe/insight/revelation, plus an increase in range of thoughts/feelings experienced), but I'm not at all sure.

 

[abore]

I'm curious if anyone has any experience mixing this with nitrous?

 

[incognition]

Wow. Thank you amanitadine for an amazing report. Just brilliant. Those places is where i want to go, and as you say, that's why dissociatives can be so incredibly psychologically addictive. And can make you snort 350 mg of an almost untried drug in a couple of hours, like i did with the last batch.

Sure low dosages is addictive, but reaching those high dose states can make you.. obsessed. And i think MXE can take you further than ketamine. With recall too.

 

[Shambles]

Please add the missing "IM" doses and come up times for IM as an ROA.

IM doses and come up are kinda what you'd expect. It comes on within a few minutes and then gets whacky and hard to say. Dosages seem to correlate to ketamine with a point to the left... or right... you know which I mean


It's the extended plateaux stages that intrigue the most. Very unlike ketamine... but not. Tis lush stuff either way

 

[davem]

Here's a warning.........

So there I was last night, bumping along quite nicely, 3 x 20mg doses over several hours, dinner with half a glass of wine in the middle and right up to the end, as pleasurable as you like, looking for possible negative signs occasionally with a level 3 self-diagnostic (star trek ref!)...and really enjoyed Eddie Izzards 2008 live show 'stripped' before finally thinking should be heading for bed when disaster nearly struck.....It has become a regular thing for me over the last couple of weeks to grab an Ovaltine just before bed-time...I don't know, must be because a) I am getting old and 2) it works a treat with everything else...in fact it's the only thing I've tried that really does seem to provide for a good and restful nights sleep, waking feeling well rested and refreshed, ready to go again - it does what it says on the tin!! ...anyway, drank it whilst posting last thing on here and within 10 minutes was feeling decidedly ill. The irony of the situation was not lost on me. Started to feel drunk, queasy and rough. Got my head down quick and managed to get off to sleep before things got too messy.

So - warning kids - watch out for the Ovaltine!!!!

(strangest post you've ever read on here or what??

p.s. - feel fine this morning

 

[davem]

I can dance forever on mxe, everything feels fluid and just right

Want to try this and may well save for NYE - dancing is why I live and chemicals help me get to where I enjoy being....

 

[cosmic._.ape]

the experience is totally real, that I am uncovering the secrets of the universe. I am talking to my own cells, and taking a sneak peak at the bigger picture..

you'll benefit from reading "The Center of the Cyclone", by john lilly

 

[newworldorder]

does anyone have any experiences of increased heart rate?.

My girlfriends heart was beating so hard it was almost popping out of her chest the other night. We have insufflated three small lines over an hour or so at about three am, then totally lost track of time till seven am. I guess we may have done 50mg each in total and she is really used to K so not a disassociate novice and has not had those problems before.

 

[newworldorder]

i should add that she did not have the beating heart till we tried to go to bed at about 9am

 

[knock]

does anyone have any experiences of increased heart rate?.

My girlfriends heart was beating so hard it was almost popping out of her chest the other night. We have insufflated three small lines over an hour or so at about three am, then totally lost track of time till seven am. I guess we may have done 50mg each in total and she is really used to K so not a disassociate novice and has not had those problems before.

I've paid attention to my heart rate once, but I didn't notice anything untoward and I gave up paying attention after a few seconds, there was too much else going on in my head. I suppose the brief benignly manic spells could be accompanied by increased heart rate.

 

[Shambles]

Ketamine (not the same drug I know but close enough maybe) can have oddly stimulating properties - in part why it's used surgically cos that increased heartrate can be a rather handy thing sometimes. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Methox has similar stimulant properties sometimes. Would also surprise me if it where anything to be overly concerned about but tis a New Thing. Does kinda sound like you and your girlfriend experienced exactly what you would expect after taking Methox though... Maybe a spike of anxiety when body and mind switch from inebriation to trying to sleep it off an assimilate?

 

[Albion]

Also, the very first day I got my mitts on Methox, I must admit I got a bit uncomfortable when it started setting in big time.

Was it your girlfriend's first time on MXE? The fear of the unknown, especially when the unknown feels confusing and overwhelming, is good reason for you to panic and thus have increased heart rate.

 

[incognition]

It fairly obvious mxe shares this property with ketamine, and its not impossible it's much more powerful in that sense.

One dead from heart attack after combining with MDAI, 2 guys snorting 400 mg to the hospital where one of them "almost had an heart attack". And now this girl.

I think it's a "good idea" to not combine this drug with stimulants.

Anyone knows how this mechanism exactly works? Is it by blocking acetylcholine receptors?

Ketamine (not the same drug I know but close enough maybe) can have oddly stimulating properties - in part why it's used surgically cos that increased heartrate can be a rather handy thing sometimes. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Methox has similar stimulant properties sometimes. Would also surprise me if it where anything to be overly concerned about but tis a New Thing. Does kinda sound like you and your girlfriend experienced exactly what you would expect after taking Methox though... Maybe a spike of anxiety when body and mind switch from inebriation to trying to sleep it off an assimilate?

 

[mr.mackey]

I'm guessing this girl's heart concerns were primarily psychological rather than physiological. However that does not mean that caution should be thrown to the wind so to speak.

I'm guessing the stimulant properties have more to do with any dopamine reuptake inhibiting properties, because as far as I know, ACh (acetylcholine) doesn't have much to do with the stimulating properties of any drugs. I'd say thats usually attributed to norepinephrine and dopamine, and I as far as I have heard, methoxetamine is more likely to be a dopamine reuptake inhibitor than a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.

perhaps someone from ADD or more knowledge will correct me if Im wrong