The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

[knock]

instead of saying "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", she would say "the quick brown fox jumps overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... the lazy dog" in an almost gutteral tone. She said afterwards that she didn't know whether it was an echo in her head or her actually making the noise until I told her what she'd been doing.)

To quote myself from a previous report:

I made noises that would waken the dead and was fearful of discovery, fortunately no-one alerted the authorities.

This was in reference to me clearing my throat and it coming out like some sort of ten second long growl turning into a roar! At least that's what it sounded like to me. I was honestly concerned the neighbours would wonder what the hell was going on.

 

[lbeing789]

Hey lbeing789 No need to apologise for your tone; it's all good

We've both enjoyed aMT, MDMA, laughing gas and ket many a time.

You could well be right about the freakout, except that the line between a freak out and a psychotic episode can get pretty blurry at the best of times. I have no idea what it would have been called by a doc - like I said at the time, everything I've reported has been a best-guess - but her behaviour was very much confused and agitated.

More interestingly/worryingly, I also noticed her speech was affected three times when she would repeat a consonant sound for several seconds; almost like a very aggressive stutter; e.g. instead of saying "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", she would say "the quick brown fox jumps overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... the lazy dog" in an almost gutteral tone. She said afterwards that she didn't know whether it was an echo in her head or her actually making the noise until I told her what she'd been doing.

That alone makes me incredibly worried that her signs and the symptoms she described were in the ballpark at least of being a psychotic break, and hence potentially very serious...?

Hell, I don't know. I'm just a Google-equipped keyboard monkey, but it's been a lesson to us both.

Yeah, I think MXE is a lot more psychedelic than those drugs... in the classic use of the term we're all psychotic when we're tripping (hallucinating, out of touch with reality) but in the drug world I think a psychotic episode is viewed as one where you totally lose control, usually involving violence/aggressive behavior... also that's probably the NMDA activity causing the speech effect, to be expected, I've had this on all the NMDA dissociatives I actually get this badly on ketamine, probably not quite as many 'r's that you listed, probably more like 'o..ov.overrrrrr'.. typical studder. Noticed it on MXE but it's weird with MXE because you can smooth it out quite easily, I only ever have one speech impediment, then it catches up almost instantly.

 

[lbeing789]

I think it would help some to realise that in low doses MXE is like ketamine, but the more you take, the less like ketamine it becomes and eventually it something else entirely... at high doses some quite profound physical effects are noted, but I'm also reading on this swedish forum of people taking even more and then having full blown alien abduction experiences ala DMT... whether this is a bad thing or not remains to be seen, but does say something about the seriousness of the drug.... I'm really disliking the ketamine relationship more and more.

 

[deffi]

Took 50mg a couple a days ago and I liked it. Didn't get any CEVs (which I get easily with other dissociatives) so im looking forward to trying a higher dose...

More interestingly/worryingly, I also noticed her speech was affected three times when she would repeat a consonant sound for several seconds; almost like a very aggressive stutter; e.g. instead of saying "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", she would say "the quick brown fox jumps overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... the lazy dog" in an almost gutteral tone. She said afterwards that she didn't know whether it was an echo in her head or her actually making the noise until I told her what she'd been doing.

This isn't methoxetamine specific symptom. I've seen that happening in people who have taken high doses of DXM and having bad trip. It sounds pretty funny (lol) and they often don't even realize that they're repeating a character or a syllable in a word. Your friend might have just been oversensitive to MXE, that's why we do allergic tests.

 

[Albion]

Yesterday evening I took 90mgs, turned out the lights and lay in bed. Everything was normal at first, and I thought 'hey, I'll be able to handle the experience if I'm just laid here, doing nothing with my eyes shut'. Then my duvet got caught on some sort of rotary device, and started to bend my bed downwards into a circle, and my whole body was bending with it. But it didn't end there. On the other side was a whole other WORLD, full of pushing, pulling, twisting, lurching machines, and I was being passed through each one of them. My body moved forwards, backwards, upwards, spiralled inside out, you name it, I felt it.

I was confused, I had forgotten that I had taken any drug. I didn't know whether I was dying, or whether this was as life had always been. The only resemblance this world had with the real world was the deep crashing of waves that were my breaths.

I still had full motor control, however. I needed the toilet, and went to the toilet. But I didn't perceive the act of doing it through ANY of the 7 senses. I perceived it through an 8th sense, if that is possible. Detached from reality, time and space, my body got up and went to the toilet whilst my mind lost within itself.

Then at some point, the music I had playing at the time materialised itself as avenues and sensations over my body. This must have been during the peak of the experience, as I had no idea that this was music. I couldn't hear anything, only feel things in a remarkably profound way. This went on for a good 3-4 hours. After the 4 hour mark, memories started trickling back to me. I remember having taken a drug...remembered that I was in my room (still took me a long time to recognise it again). Realised that I had music playing over the hifi. The rolling body sensations began to fade....and slowly I came back to Earth...with a huge smile on my face

I'm not sure whether I had fallen asleep, but I don't think it matters, since the whole experience could only be described as a waking dream. It was absolutely profound, impossible and beautiful. Once I decided I wasn't dying, I could enjoy the experience and wow....I know I will never, ever forget it.

If there is such a thing as an M-Hole, I think I found it. This was a complete and utter ego-shredding, mind-bending psychadelic experience. The sensations of being rolled about were quite real and powerful. My ears were ringing. My whole body tingled. It was WONDERFUL!!

 

[abore]

^ What a tease. I'm really excited for this chemical. Great description. That's the full on kind of dissociative experience I'm waiting for.

 

[incognition]

Thank's for sharing! It's amazing. The m-hole is far more interesting, lucid, psychedlic, profound & everything than ketamines. But it sometimes seems to be connected with certain problems visiting that place.

Yesterday evening I took 90mgs, turned out the lights and lay in bed. Everything was normal at first, and I thought 'hey, I'll be able to handle the experience if I'm just laid here, doing nothing with my eyes shut'. Then my duvet got caught on some sort of rotary device, and started to bend my bed downwards into a circle, and my whole body was bending with it. But it didn't end there. On the other side was a whole other WORLD, full of pushing, pulling, twisting, lurching machines, and I was being passed through each one of them. My body moved forwards, backwards, upwards, spiralled inside out, you name it, I felt it.

I was confused, I had forgotten that I had taken any drug. I didn't know whether I was dying, or whether this was as life had always been. The only resemblance this world had with the real world was the deep crashing of waves that were my breaths.

I still had full motor control, however. I needed the toilet, and went to the toilet. But I didn't perceive the act of doing it through ANY of the 7 senses. I perceived it through an 8th sense, if that is possible. Detached from reality, time and space, my body got up and went to the toilet whilst my mind lost within itself.

Then at some point, the music I had playing at the time materialised itself as avenues and sensations over my body. This must have been during the peak of the experience, as I had no idea that this was music. I couldn't hear anything, only feel things in a remarkably profound way. This went on for a good 3-4 hours. After the 4 hour mark, memories started trickling back to me. I remember having taken a drug...remembered that I was in my room (still took me a long time to recognise it again). Realised that I had music playing over the hifi. The rolling body sensations began to fade....and slowly I came back to Earth...with a huge smile on my face

I'm not sure whether I had fallen asleep, but I don't think it matters, since the whole experience could only be described as a waking dream. It was absolutely profound, impossible and beautiful. Once I decided I wasn't dying, I could enjoy the experience and wow....I know I will never, ever forget it.

If there is such a thing as an M-Hole, I think I found it. This was a complete and utter ego-shredding, mind-bending psychadelic experience. The sensations of being rolled about were quite real and powerful. My ears were ringing. My whole body tingled. It was WONDERFUL!!

 

[Albion]

Thank's for sharing! It's amazing. The m-hole is far more interesting, lucid, psychedlic, profound & everything than ketamines. But it sometimes seems to be connected with certain problems visiting that place.

How do you mean 'certain problems'?

 

[Entheogenic]

Has anyone with anxiety and/or depression tried MXE and what was the experience like? Classic psychedelics can really amplify these types of things and drag you deep into the subconscious exposing the causes of problems. This is usually quite unpleasant during but can be very beneficial and rewarding in the end. Does MXE compare to this? Any lasting benefits noticed afterwords?

Also how does it affect benzo or opioid withdrawal?

 

[knock]

Yesterday evening I took 90mgs, turned out the lights and lay in bed. Everything was normal at first, and I thought 'hey, I'll be able to handle the experience if I'm just laid here, doing nothing with my eyes shut'. Then my duvet got caught on some sort of rotary device, and started to bend my bed downwards into a circle, and my whole body was bending with it. But it didn't end there. On the other side was a whole other WORLD, full of pushing, pulling, twisting, lurching machines, and I was being passed through each one of them. My body moved forwards, backwards, upwards, spiralled inside out, you name it, I felt it.

This sounds fantastic and reading it reminds me more than anything of Salvia!

 

[Albion]

This sounds fantastic and reading it reminds me more than anything of Salvia!

The bodily sensations were extremely salvia-like, however I enjoyed this experience. Salvia feels like your body is getting ripped apart, such is the violent force and searing sensation of the experience. This felt like I was being played about like a child playing with putty. Sort of warped and distorted...but it feels right. The directions changed softly and slowly, and they were all pleasant.

 

[Methox23]

Has anyone with anxiety and/or depression tried MXE and what was the experience like? Classic psychedelics can really amplify these types of things and drag you deep into the subconscious exposing the causes of problems. This is usually quite unpleasant during but can be very beneficial and rewarding in the end. Does MXE compare to this? Any lasting benefits noticed afterwords?

Also how does it affect benzo or opioid withdrawal?

Well i have had some anxiety over the past 2 months, just for whatever reason.... and i took this and it got rid of it.. because of the asfterglow aswell... i was rid of anxiety... and not just for the duration of the drug... right up until now
http://i.bluelight.ru/s/biggrin.gif

 

[deckmunki]

Just a quick footnote: thanks everyone for your comments re mine and Mrs Deckmunki's experiences. I'm enjoying MXE in 40-80mg doses and, while a couple of times it's been something of a nightmarish experience, Entheogenic's question about depression rings a bell with me; I've been going through some pretty horrible experiences with work in the last three months which have almost destroyed my self-belief in my abilities in my job, and MXE seems to have helped me see those issues for what they are.

Whether or not this means I'm approaching the happy conclusion of an introspective trip, or (more likely) I'm about to open something of a Pandora's box on my emotional deficiencies remains to be seen, but hey; in for a penny, in for a pound/a life not lived, and all that jazz...

;o) /DM

 

[BabyGuinness]

My partner got hold of some methoxetamine and sampled some while i was at work, he said the experience he had was out of this world. So the next day we decided to do some, he plugged 60mg and i snorted 60mg, within 20mins he was slumped in his chair swinging his head to the music and was speaking in ridiculous slow motion clearly tripping having the time of his life, while i was just sat on the sofa with nothing but a warm sensation and slight light traces. an hour later i was still not feeling anything special while he was a wreck. I snorted another 10mg and plugged a further 30mg in hope to get to a similar state of mind as my partner.
he couldn't walk or talk and STILL my physical and mental state appeared almost untouched. i left it 20mins before decided to completely redose and plugged 60mg, i thought maybe it was the snorting that had stopped me feeling anything. My partner continued to snort and plug various amounts over the evening despite the fact he was clearly and utterly wasted.
It was only now after a grand total of 160mg of methoxetamine that the magic happened, disorientated with blurry visuals and extreme content happiness overwhelmed me, i found walking difficult and stood squatting in the middle of the room for several minutes convinced i could 'do the double jump off of the mario bros game' ( lol) and laid watching the music visuals on the computer and happily flowing with them in my mind. i couldn't tell you the things i saw, as i have no idea or clear recollection of them. this lasted about 2 hours.
I came back to reality very suddenly with no apparent transition stage, was happily back to chatting normal and walking normal whilst my partner remained in a state of i can only describe as retardation, slumped to the side, eyes looking in different directions muttering that he was 'strange and this is it, i wont ever get back to normal'. It baffled me at how yet again i seemed fine and he was mangled, so we put a movie on and i grabbed myself some chocolate and sat amusing myself by talking to him humoured by his responses.
He was looking around on his desk and looking furious, he looked up at the tv and yelled 'WHO IS THIS MOVIE?!' and when i laughed it seemed to make him even more angry 'LOOK EMMA, DO YOU HAVE A MOVIE FILTER OR NOT?!' lol i dont think i will ever forget it, he sounded completely off his rocker. an hour later i decided it was time for bed , my partner seemed almost fine by this point and we chatted for a few hours laughing about his episode and our trips. i had a broken sleep but not too much trouble actually getting getting to sleep.


All in all i thought it was a fantastic drug! WHEN it finally got me. but my question is, why does it always take me massive amounts of things before i feel the effects?

It was disappointing after reading everyone elses reviews and being warned prior to taking 'dont shout or get out of control'. ive been like this with several drugs, for example AMT ,ive taken heroic doses and not felt anything before whilst my partner has been in another world. i know everyone has different reactions and needs different doses, but sometimes it really takes the piss. Im 20 and have been using alot of drugs since the age of 15 my partner said something about maybe i damaged the receptors in my youth as it only seems to be the psychedelics i have this problem with yet they used to knock me on my arse just fine? but im not sure at all.

anybody else experienced this? would be nice to have some sort of answer as tripping has become a rather expensive hobby lately! 8)

 

[lbeing789]

Just a quick footnote: thanks everyone for your comments re mine and Mrs Deckmunki's experiences. I'm enjoying MXE in 40-80mg doses and, while a couple of times it's been something of a nightmarish experience, Entheogenic's question about depression rings a bell with me; I've been going through some pretty horrible experiences with work in the last three months which have almost destroyed my self-belief in my abilities in my job, and MXE seems to have helped me see those issues for what they are.

Whether or not this means I'm approaching the happy conclusion of an introspective trip, or (more likely) I'm about to open something of a Pandora's box on my emotional deficiencies remains to be seen, but hey; in for a penny, in for a pound/a life not lived, and all that jazz...

;o) /DM

Hey man, it's all good, they often do this... 4-meo does this in spades to me, but it's usually a form of therapy, you gotta get this shit sorted out first whether its when ur when you're tripping or when in the real world... I think my first big MXE trip was super therapy, dealing with a lot of personal issues, and remarkably a lot of issues were dealt with and are still dealt with... I think mental issues get amplified with MXE, but not necessarily in a bad way, possibly in a therapy kinda way, in my experience it could be a fantastic tool for introspection and dealing with serious traumas, how it reacts to more exotic mental issues, I can't really say...

 

[Albion]

he plugged 60mg and i snorted 60mg

60mgs plugged, compared to 60mgs snorted, would have wildly different effects on you.

I managed to achieve the state of interplanetary mindfuck through sublingual administration.

 

[BabyGuinness]

I managed to achieve the state of interplanetary mindfuck through sublingual administration.

I am intrigued by this method, but i used to take alot of GHB and now the slight taste of any chemical in my mouth or even the knowledge that it will be there, sends my gag refelx into overdrive making anything like that highly unpleasant. Its always a last resort to put things in my mouth

 

[Albion]

I am intrigued by this method, but i used to take alot of GHB and now the slight taste of any chemical in my mouth or even the knowledge that it will be there, sends my gag refelx into overdrive making anything like that highly unpleasant. Its always a last resort to put things in my mouth

It isn't the most pleasant method of administration. I'd bet plugging is even more effective, if you'd rather try that.

 

[BabyGuinness]

It isn't the most pleasant method of administration. I'd bet plugging is even more effective, if you'd rather try that.

it was when i plugged the 60mg later on that i finally got what i was looking for. We have decided to get some more and im going to plug it from the start and not bother with the snorting. snorting it was pleasant, but i would defo say its a waste of a drug that has so much potential.

 

[phatboy303]

Looking back in retrospect of my experience at the weekend, i think that the afforementioned "Mania" must have been a distinct factor, particularly in my obsessive search for the lost/hidden baggy (for those who didn't read my report the Mrs hid it from me after my fifth line as i was obviously getting carried away). For me personally the mania was quite entertaining, however i can see how some people may not enjoy it, perhaps even lead to some sort of psychotic episode.

I also feel that the contrast between my own high K tolerance and practically non-existant Opiate tolerance may be a reason for my experiences seeming to be quite different to a lot of the others on here. This may also be an issue for me and other like me with regards to safe dosages.