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looks pretty expensive to me, why would someone choose this over ket?
The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread
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Bluelighter
uhhh....because it is an ENTIRELY different drug than ketamine?
incognition
Bluelighter
About 350 mg.. (from THE vendor, the original)
I did in total 150 the day before, and i have some sort of tolerance after a few too long and intense ketamine weekends, so i guess i need a bit more than the average. I've smoked DMT countless times. So i'm kind of used to losing reality completely. I'm saying this with the intention to brag or anything, its just the way it is, and im not sure i'm exactly proud of my drug habits. Especially not today.
I started off with 110 mg. This was not very intense, i could type and surf the web, so i took another 50 or so after.. well, i dont know exactly, but over 1 hr later, but less than 2. Things started to get better. At this point i was convinced that the substance was non-toxic in the same sense as ketamine. I lost the plot and took all i had left, starting before the additional 50 mg's had kicked in. I'm not completely sure about the time, but i must have finished 350 mg's in less than 3 hrs.
What followed was the most amazing thing i ever experienced on a drug. I was convinced that i had died, but that was ok. This was a good way to die. So peaceful and serene. I saw and knew everyhing in the universe, i travelled from microcosm to macrocosm. I was the niagara, i was the inner of planet earth, i was god, the sun, i was everything. All those klichés. The strange thing was that despite all this, i kind of knew who i was - on deep ketamine journeys i kind of lose that concept totally and end up in oblivion, totally unaware of the concept of "I". This was different, more like serotonergic psychedelics in that sense. I had this consistent feeling of a religious experience all the time. Profound, serene and overwhelming. I had entered to the other side. All religions made sense. Especially christianity, Biblical. Veery strange. This went on for an eternity.
Then, after a while, i was surpriced to see that i was back in my room. Very detatched ofcourse, but i realised i had not died. Good, since i have children. I can manage to open a webbrowser and skype. I type some incoherent messages to some other druggies. All is good. I enjoy the opera music coming out of my speakers. Fine, fine. Time goes by.
Then the not so fun part starts. The sun rises. My family wakes up, i hear my kids running on the floor above (i'm in the basement of our house, where i have a music studio and electronics workshop). Oh no, the "guilt by dissociation"-factor. My wife must have understood something, i played opera music all night here, she must have heard something. She knows. Ofcourse. Paranoia. I am insane. It never ends.
It's getting lighter outside, but the intensity does not decline. Im stuck in this dissociative state. What was this? How can i be so irresponsible that i take huge amounts of this almost unknow substance? But i took it yesterday and it wasn't not like this? Hm. It must be that the second bag contained something else (i bought 2x250). It must be MK-801 or something. It will be like this for a week, possibly forever. I cannot function in reality at all. I have this alternate reality that is like 25 % stronger than the ordinarity reality. Sometimes it takes over completely.
SHIT! Someone coming downstairs to talk to me. I cant let my kids see me like this. FUCK. Pretend to sleep. Noone comes. Good. Oh, getting tired and possibly a bit more more normal. Will i get back? More tired, less whacked out. Falls asleep.
Wakes up, still dissociated, but ok.
I did in total 150 the day before, and i have some sort of tolerance after a few too long and intense ketamine weekends, so i guess i need a bit more than the average. I've smoked DMT countless times. So i'm kind of used to losing reality completely. I'm saying this with the intention to brag or anything, its just the way it is, and im not sure i'm exactly proud of my drug habits. Especially not today.
I started off with 110 mg. This was not very intense, i could type and surf the web, so i took another 50 or so after.. well, i dont know exactly, but over 1 hr later, but less than 2. Things started to get better. At this point i was convinced that the substance was non-toxic in the same sense as ketamine. I lost the plot and took all i had left, starting before the additional 50 mg's had kicked in. I'm not completely sure about the time, but i must have finished 350 mg's in less than 3 hrs.
What followed was the most amazing thing i ever experienced on a drug. I was convinced that i had died, but that was ok. This was a good way to die. So peaceful and serene. I saw and knew everyhing in the universe, i travelled from microcosm to macrocosm. I was the niagara, i was the inner of planet earth, i was god, the sun, i was everything. All those klichés. The strange thing was that despite all this, i kind of knew who i was - on deep ketamine journeys i kind of lose that concept totally and end up in oblivion, totally unaware of the concept of "I". This was different, more like serotonergic psychedelics in that sense. I had this consistent feeling of a religious experience all the time. Profound, serene and overwhelming. I had entered to the other side. All religions made sense. Especially christianity, Biblical. Veery strange. This went on for an eternity.
Then, after a while, i was surpriced to see that i was back in my room. Very detatched ofcourse, but i realised i had not died. Good, since i have children. I can manage to open a webbrowser and skype. I type some incoherent messages to some other druggies. All is good. I enjoy the opera music coming out of my speakers. Fine, fine. Time goes by.
Then the not so fun part starts. The sun rises. My family wakes up, i hear my kids running on the floor above (i'm in the basement of our house, where i have a music studio and electronics workshop). Oh no, the "guilt by dissociation"-factor. My wife must have understood something, i played opera music all night here, she must have heard something. She knows. Ofcourse. Paranoia. I am insane. It never ends.
It's getting lighter outside, but the intensity does not decline. Im stuck in this dissociative state. What was this? How can i be so irresponsible that i take huge amounts of this almost unknow substance? But i took it yesterday and it wasn't not like this? Hm. It must be that the second bag contained something else (i bought 2x250). It must be MK-801 or something. It will be like this for a week, possibly forever. I cannot function in reality at all. I have this alternate reality that is like 25 % stronger than the ordinarity reality. Sometimes it takes over completely.
SHIT! Someone coming downstairs to talk to me. I cant let my kids see me like this. FUCK. Pretend to sleep. Noone comes. Good. Oh, getting tired and possibly a bit more more normal. Will i get back? More tired, less whacked out. Falls asleep.
Wakes up, still dissociated, but ok.
Thanks for the report, sounds like quite some trip you had.
I have had glimpses of the things you describe at much lower doses. I can see how you ended up taking such a massive amount because this stuff really creeps up on you and I am glad you seem to have come out of it relatively unscathed.
I have had glimpses of the things you describe at much lower doses. I can see how you ended up taking such a massive amount because this stuff really creeps up on you and I am glad you seem to have come out of it relatively unscathed.
incognition
Bluelighter
Yeah, after my first trial i thought it was very similar to ket. But now i agree, it's something on its own.
I wrote the report still dissociated and in a hurry, and i can see now that some words fell out etc, but i hope the message gets through. 8)
I wrote the report still dissociated and in a hurry, and i can see now that some words fell out etc, but i hope the message gets through. 8)
Had to comment on several of the posts here, especially incognitions... I have had similar experiences on larger doses, haven't exceeded 150mg in a single session but I have noticed an additive effect, the drug stays in your system for a long time after consumption... I have experienced mostly positive effects, a profound change in my way of thinking, slight visual alterations, general feelings of disassociation/movement... the 3rd time taking the substance was lying down listening to music with headphones, then the drug took on a new character, it felt as though I had become music itself and was experiencing it in a completely new way, very interesting and highly pleasurable... very psychedelic, LSDesque, with a feeling of movement throughout.
My friend tried a reasonably large dose and had a very intense trip, was dancing around the room and at one point began spontaneously doing uncontrollable tai chi/yoga like movements, was far out to watch, it looked like a very spiritual experience but also was quite energetic as opposed to my relaxing trips. We all have experienced massive time warping. 2 days after my last MXE dose I tripped on 3.2g of cubes+80mg MDMA, I was expecting a mellow trip due to experience but got probably the most psychedelic experience of my life... I had to write this post because I also got the biblical trip that incognition described, he described it well, I suddenly understood all religions, sounds silly but for a moment I felt as if I was god or an of expression of it or whatever, and that maybe all of us are... I'm a non believer and I don't even like religion, but it's hard to describe really as I still knew who I really was and the experience I had didn't contradict my non-beliefs, it just made me understand the whole concept and the misconceptions/misunderstandings about it... very cosmic, but I never felt delusional and it was never explicit... the MXE must have had an additive effect on this trip because the whole experience was different, it was pretty amazing... I even ended the trip doing the spontaneous tai chi thing and that was pretty shocking. Funny that someone else mentioned this. It should be noted that I am also an experienced DMT & Ketamine user.
I have experienced headaches after the trips, but no worse than a hangover, same behind the eyes ache that others have described. I've also had the trippy sleep thing every time, even once falling into my pillow in a loop, though this didn't bother me. I have become slightly concerned about the type of mind warping that is actually going on with this drug, as it seems to become more versatile the more you do it... and you do find yourself questioning the nature of your thoughts, because they're so far out you almost can't believe them, but that being said, I haven't had a reason not to believe them, they're far out but not unrealistic concepts if you get my meaning... I haven't had any scary or negative or even contradictory ideas/delusions. It's been a pretty exciting drug so far, but I think it does need to be treated with a lot of respect and of course it remains to be seen what the long term effects are, I have noticed less depression and more work orientation since doing the drug. I think the drugs effects can be greatly altered with mindset/intention, but I also think it's playing with the thin line between genius and madness, so I would expect some MXE casualties. This is a powerful chemical that probably shouldn't be so linked with ketamine and should be treated as the more mysterious compound that it really is. Thumbs up though.
My friend tried a reasonably large dose and had a very intense trip, was dancing around the room and at one point began spontaneously doing uncontrollable tai chi/yoga like movements, was far out to watch, it looked like a very spiritual experience but also was quite energetic as opposed to my relaxing trips. We all have experienced massive time warping. 2 days after my last MXE dose I tripped on 3.2g of cubes+80mg MDMA, I was expecting a mellow trip due to experience but got probably the most psychedelic experience of my life... I had to write this post because I also got the biblical trip that incognition described, he described it well, I suddenly understood all religions, sounds silly but for a moment I felt as if I was god or an of expression of it or whatever, and that maybe all of us are... I'm a non believer and I don't even like religion, but it's hard to describe really as I still knew who I really was and the experience I had didn't contradict my non-beliefs, it just made me understand the whole concept and the misconceptions/misunderstandings about it... very cosmic, but I never felt delusional and it was never explicit... the MXE must have had an additive effect on this trip because the whole experience was different, it was pretty amazing... I even ended the trip doing the spontaneous tai chi thing and that was pretty shocking. Funny that someone else mentioned this. It should be noted that I am also an experienced DMT & Ketamine user.
I have experienced headaches after the trips, but no worse than a hangover, same behind the eyes ache that others have described. I've also had the trippy sleep thing every time, even once falling into my pillow in a loop, though this didn't bother me. I have become slightly concerned about the type of mind warping that is actually going on with this drug, as it seems to become more versatile the more you do it... and you do find yourself questioning the nature of your thoughts, because they're so far out you almost can't believe them, but that being said, I haven't had a reason not to believe them, they're far out but not unrealistic concepts if you get my meaning... I haven't had any scary or negative or even contradictory ideas/delusions. It's been a pretty exciting drug so far, but I think it does need to be treated with a lot of respect and of course it remains to be seen what the long term effects are, I have noticed less depression and more work orientation since doing the drug. I think the drugs effects can be greatly altered with mindset/intention, but I also think it's playing with the thin line between genius and madness, so I would expect some MXE casualties. This is a powerful chemical that probably shouldn't be so linked with ketamine and should be treated as the more mysterious compound that it really is. Thumbs up though.
incognition
Bluelighter
Boombox: What i meant with the message was the information about the characteristics of this drug. I'm genuinely sorry if you feel that your posts regarding this drug seems boring in comparison with mine, it was not my intention to invoke this feeling in you.
Ibeing:Very interesting post. This is a weird compound, indeed.
Ibeing:Very interesting post. This is a weird compound, indeed.
psood0nym
Bluelighter
I experience this during psilocin/ketamine (both IM) combo trips all the time, and have for years. It's exciting to hear someone else mention it. It typically follows automatic body movements and sensations of sex (in a female body), birthing, and birth of myself as a new component of my ego. It was really disconcerting at first, because I had never heard of anything like it, but I've come to view it as a profound and revealing process.
The understanding that comes with these movements is that the various quasi-autonomous ego intelligences that together compose my conscious and unconscious being are synthesizing a new intelligence by fusing together aspects of themselves. That new aspect is then symbolically born, and the Tai Chi-like movements you describe ensue in response. They seem to be a reflection of my collective ego incorporating the new aspect into the congregation, of finding its place in my total being. Subjectively, it feels as if the organization of sensations that are the new egoic aspect are being woven into a larger web of sensation. That is, the movements strike me as being somewhat like a spider spinning a web, but it's the web of myself, that I, that we all, create, expand, and walk within.
cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
That's what I felt too, psood0nym, and that's what I like to call "the bee-hive". I believe that the best description is by Carl G. Jung, what he likes to call "the collective unconscious" - from the wikipedia,
Also, I believe that the place where such collective dream is being experienced by ourselves (when dreaming) is the noosphere. Again from the wikipedia,
This alternation of places (between 'normal' or waking reality and dreamed or visionary) could also be understood as a brain hemisphere predominance. Noosphere being the way we perceive or interpret the world with our right side of the brain.
Both worlds, or dimensions, or states of mind, depend from each other, are interconnected, and can't exist without the other. Our repetitive habits and routines on this world are equivalent at an amnesia sickness that we suffer in the noosphere. We have to transcend our individuality to let reality flow. The goal is a planetary tantric orgy from which a planetary (gaian) overmind will emerge. We have already reached the point of no return in this evolutionary process and the party will start before the 2012.
Death doesn't exist, as we are all the same being experiencing ourselves through different bodies, in the same way the cells form our body. To die is just to lose an specific individuality, but consciousness carries on forever. and is at the level.
Many of these visions were taboo and deeply secret some time before, but now it doesn't matter, as the game over is close.
The main effect of this drug, to me, is melt the barriers or psychological walls that normally separate the left hemisphere of the brain from the right one. The walls that separate dreaming and waking life.
there's much more to say, but it is not important, as the most predominant feeling is "i feel it, it's alright"
cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
is anyone familiar with the "tao te ching" , by lao tse? I found very interesting to read it during or after snorting methoxetamine - you can google it and read it for free.
psood0nym
Bluelighter
When I refer to a "congregation of egos," I mean "as they exist in my brain." I don't mean to refer to anything external -- no universal consciousness or the like. I just mean that, within myself, and in each of us, there exists numerous and various quasi-autonomous selves. I don't mean to invoke any supernatural explanations, and I certainly do not put any stock whatsoever in the 2012 nonsense. No offense intended to those who do.
Can't really comment on the replies, all interesting stuff but hard for me to follow from this frame of reference... all I can say is that it is a very intellectual experience, you think about far out concepts and you seem to learn a lot about the way things really are... and I do think this drug has a unique character in that it I feel smarter on it and I come back from the trips with genuine new understanding about the way things work...
I will write more about what I "learned" later... but a quick note, last night I experimented again this time went pretty experimental...doing several combos I had yet to try. I understood the compounds and had an idea of what would happen, but stepped into the unknown... I began the evening with 200mg white MDAI, followed by 2gr cubes, things were again stronger than expected not bad at first, DMTesque visions rather than laid back color popping.. 2grams felt more like 5gr and there was a moment things turned south, like 2 mins, I felt the need to take a 10mg valium, that worked great.. anyway, was surprised that the mdai dragged the color saturation of the shrooms out for at least 5 hrs, great, quite grounded not crazy....on the comedown I took 90mg codeine and another 5mg of valium, plus a kavakava extract tea, I wanted to relax not trip hard... ....... this is where I had 50mg of MXE and to my surprise the valium/codeine/mxe/kava combo worked really well, the madness aspect seemed to vanish (that'll be the benzo I guess) but the far out thinking and relaxed euphoria was all there.... the experience was augmented, the shrooms added color but the benzos killed the messiness.... I've read that valium is neuroprotective whilst on ketamine, it feels like that on MXE. I've noticed from personal experience that benzos have little effect on MDAI, but obviously they potentiate codeine but also reduce weirdness in MXE and maybe even enhance the opiate effect... very useful, hope this helps users, I have found MXE's wildness a little overwhelming albeit worthwhile.
Edit: That whole combo is pretty awesome if you can do it.. all cerebral, no fiending, no madness, just bliss, contentment... really nice trip
I will write more about what I "learned" later... but a quick note, last night I experimented again this time went pretty experimental...doing several combos I had yet to try. I understood the compounds and had an idea of what would happen, but stepped into the unknown... I began the evening with 200mg white MDAI, followed by 2gr cubes, things were again stronger than expected not bad at first, DMTesque visions rather than laid back color popping.. 2grams felt more like 5gr and there was a moment things turned south, like 2 mins, I felt the need to take a 10mg valium, that worked great.. anyway, was surprised that the mdai dragged the color saturation of the shrooms out for at least 5 hrs, great, quite grounded not crazy....on the comedown I took 90mg codeine and another 5mg of valium, plus a kavakava extract tea, I wanted to relax not trip hard... ....... this is where I had 50mg of MXE and to my surprise the valium/codeine/mxe/kava combo worked really well, the madness aspect seemed to vanish (that'll be the benzo I guess) but the far out thinking and relaxed euphoria was all there.... the experience was augmented, the shrooms added color but the benzos killed the messiness.... I've read that valium is neuroprotective whilst on ketamine, it feels like that on MXE. I've noticed from personal experience that benzos have little effect on MDAI, but obviously they potentiate codeine but also reduce weirdness in MXE and maybe even enhance the opiate effect... very useful, hope this helps users, I have found MXE's wildness a little overwhelming albeit worthwhile.
Edit: That whole combo is pretty awesome if you can do it.. all cerebral, no fiending, no madness, just bliss, contentment... really nice trip
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uncle stinky
Bluelighter
I see what you did there
uncle stinky
Bluelighter
Odd question, maybe it's just me
Has anyone else using this odd strain had the feeling that the space they were in was larger than it appeared to be. It's not unpleasant at all, everything just seems roomier. Someone agree or am I going hatstand?
Has anyone else using this odd strain had the feeling that the space they were in was larger than it appeared to be. It's not unpleasant at all, everything just seems roomier. Someone agree or am I going hatstand?
Thorns Have Roses
Bluelight Crew
Has anyone actually sampled the tiletamine analogue being fraudulently sold as methoxetamine?
I'm really curious about its effects. (I'd try it myself but alas, don't know the vendor, so any reports to satisfy my curiosity would be appreciated).
I'm really curious about its effects. (I'd try it myself but alas, don't know the vendor, so any reports to satisfy my curiosity would be appreciated).
Lazyscience
Bluelighter
im not sure if this is what you mean but, i had this effect that when i closed my eyes i was in an enorous dark space like a cathedral or something. youre not going hatstand, this drug is bound to cause weird things to go on in your mind.
can I also point out another aspect of that combo that I found pretty remarkable... I ended up experiencing heightened color saturation long after the main effects wore off, pretty extreme color saturation for over 30 hrs... no other effects observed, woke up feeling really nice, I suppose it's the serotonic nature of the combo.
cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
Make no mistake about it, what we call altered states of consciousness are every bit as real and substantial as the consensus reality we are now experiencing in this auditorium. While in deep entheospace, there is seldom any doubt about what we know to be true, and this knowledge comes from the deepest levels of our being.
The problem psychedelic thinkers face when returning from an altered state is how to translate this unspeakable knowledge into words and actions that will be understood by others. Most of us have been in these interesting conversations where someone will say, “I can’t put words to it, but I can assure you that for an instant I truly understood it all.” And whenever someone in the tribe says that, we know exactly what they are talking about. This is where I see the first light of psychedelic thinking.
It begins during that wonderful time in deep entheospace when you absolutely know the truth. From that first little spark can come a great flame. Whether or not you choose to nourish that flame is a decision that can determine your destiny. In times like these, however, your personal destiny may be more closely related to our species-destiny than at any other moment in human history. In addition to everything else that is going on right now, our culture has also begun an evolutionary transformation. Josh Wickerham says "The war on drugs is not a war on substances; it's a war on states of mind. Entheogens are not illegal because a loving government is concerned that you're going to hurt yourself by smoking pot or tripping in your bedroom. Entheogens are illegal because they make you question authority. They break down socially constructed fables and cleanse the doors of perception. They make you question the wrongs of society in a fundamental way, making you dangerous. You're like Neo in The Matrix when all of the illusions of reality have been irrevocably stripped away. As Ray and Anderson point out ... "Most of us change our worldview only once in our lifetime, if we do at all, because it changes virtually everything in our consciousness. When you make this shift, you change your sense of who you are and who you are related to, what you are willing to see and how you interpret it, your priorities for action and for the way you want to live. Regardless of whether you leave your home, change your job, or switch your career path, if your worldview changes, it changes everything."
The problem psychedelic thinkers face when returning from an altered state is how to translate this unspeakable knowledge into words and actions that will be understood by others. Most of us have been in these interesting conversations where someone will say, “I can’t put words to it, but I can assure you that for an instant I truly understood it all.” And whenever someone in the tribe says that, we know exactly what they are talking about. This is where I see the first light of psychedelic thinking.
It begins during that wonderful time in deep entheospace when you absolutely know the truth. From that first little spark can come a great flame. Whether or not you choose to nourish that flame is a decision that can determine your destiny. In times like these, however, your personal destiny may be more closely related to our species-destiny than at any other moment in human history. In addition to everything else that is going on right now, our culture has also begun an evolutionary transformation. Josh Wickerham says "The war on drugs is not a war on substances; it's a war on states of mind. Entheogens are not illegal because a loving government is concerned that you're going to hurt yourself by smoking pot or tripping in your bedroom. Entheogens are illegal because they make you question authority. They break down socially constructed fables and cleanse the doors of perception. They make you question the wrongs of society in a fundamental way, making you dangerous. You're like Neo in The Matrix when all of the illusions of reality have been irrevocably stripped away. As Ray and Anderson point out ... "Most of us change our worldview only once in our lifetime, if we do at all, because it changes virtually everything in our consciousness. When you make this shift, you change your sense of who you are and who you are related to, what you are willing to see and how you interpret it, your priorities for action and for the way you want to live. Regardless of whether you leave your home, change your job, or switch your career path, if your worldview changes, it changes everything."
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