The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

[lbeing789]

Has anyone else using this odd strain had the feeling that the space they were in was larger than it appeared to be. It's not unpleasant at all, everything just seems roomier. Someone agree or am I going hatstand?

Yeah a lot of that, especially with eyes closed in silence.. I often feel like I'm hanging from a hook on the walls of very large spaces, in darkness, but I've also been twisted up into odd shapes and generally moved around in spaces. Though as I've pointed out that particular effect seems influenced by set and setting, if you listen to music you get a different effect. If I'm thinking about things it seems to enhance those thoughts, if I'm getting introspective, I get very introspective, it has a myriad of setting based effects. I've even done it in a club setting and that was different again, though that was hard to explain, a bit strange, don't know if it was suitable.

I kinda want to try it on ket or even do DMT on it, does anyone have a theory of what my happen?

 

[MrTiHKAL]

I have noticed that there seem to be 4 or 5 stages to the experience for me.

1) Dissociative?

I first start feeling strong effects around 45 mins after insufflating 50mg, I turn off the lights, turn the music up and lay in bed. I get feelings of rushing through space and feel that my body is dissolving and leaving a trail behind me as a fly. Music sounds awesome but it can be diffilcult to find the right tunes for the occasion. I have found that something with vocals that you know and can understand to be good. I was convinced that Florence's "Dog days" was the best song ever made and the positive message and rousing vocals filled me with euphoria. I am totally absorbed by the music.

The closed eye visiuals remind me of very low dose dmt but more liquid, no geometry more like oil floating on water. The visuals are effected by the music, there is a rainbow like stream rushing towards me and through me undulating in time to the music, kind of reminded me of rainbow road from mario kart if the track was the music.

I try to pick out individual instruments but find it impossible, I realise the stream is the music, i try to picture a band on stage but all I can imagine is five people standing in a line with the same rainbow stream emerging from their chests and flowing out into the world. My whole concept of music is now just this beautiful multi coloured wave and it is taking me on a wonderful ride.

During this first stage I find I can open my eyes and feel quite nornal, the trip is very much under my control.

2) Introspective

This is where it seem to me that the drug starts to get into all the little corners of your brain, seeking out the things you have hidden in there and gently teasing them out just to let you know that you could be happier in your life if you just dealt with these things, it is not the assault on your psyche that other drugs can bring but I could see how things could take a turn for the worse here for people with serious unresolved issues.

This is also where I get some confusing thought patterns and a general feeling of weirdness, everything seems different in a way that is difficult to describe. This stage doesn't seem to last long before...

3) Euphoric

It's like the drug says "ok lesson's over, let's have a party". Waves of massive euphoria, light floaty body feeling, big smiles, feeling of total contentment, confidence, energy, empathy, not a care in the world. I feel compelled to dance alone in the dark and choice of music becomes less important as everything sounds brilliant, even songs I know well sound really different. "Month of May" by Arcade Fire comes on, which is probably the fastest and rockiest song on the album, it sounds like a chilled out sixties psychedelic classic and seemed to last about half an hour (better than it sounds). Time perception is out the window. Would love to be in a club right now. Open eyed visuals are apparent but indistinct, shifting patterns are covering everything but I can't make out any detail, gives everything a sort of soft and fluffy appearence.

4) Creative

The weirdness condenses into something more like the best parts of the classic psychedelic headspace, my brain seems to be super charged, ideas start to flow, new connections offering new perspectives, I often laugh to myself as amusing thoughts occur. The world is full of possibility. You can change your own destiny, you can change the world, you can start right now. Positivity is total. I will often start to write and the words just flow out as if automatically.

I think a talented person like a musician or artist could really use this stage for inspiration and motivation.

5) Visionary?

I was unsure if i should include this stage because I see it as the comedown really, probably because it last's so long and is mostly visual with no real mental component, but it is interesting for a while.

My thoughts slow down and my body begins to relax. I try to sleep but it is not possible. I close me eyes and I begin to notice patterns forming, neon glowing shapes that start to look like leaves that start to form into plants and trees, suddenly this becomes a totally realistic forest scene. This is just one example, I have no control over these visions, they show me whatever they want but there does seem to be a theme of scenes from the natural word. It almost feels like remote viewing, like I am actually looking at real places in real time.

This can go on for hours and is dreamlike to the point that I am not sure if am still awake or sleeping so this is where i take a couple of benzos and sleep shortly follows.

I haven't tried to estimate the duration of these stages as time perception is very altered and I find constant clock watching distracts from a trip. Also the stages overlap to a large extent.

Would love to hear if anybody else has had similar experiences of these stages or even something completely different.

Peace

 

[lbeing789]

The whole time whilst on it I spent thiking about the MXE experience and how it relates to the DMT experience, they're so different, but I wanted to come up with a theory that would explain the two experiences.. on the drug I "kinda-thought-I-realised" that "god" as we understand it. is actually ourselves, and that the human experience is actually the "sub" concious not the other way round... and that "god" is actually a higher level function of our mind, me lbeing789 is actually living in a matrix, a matrix created by myself, the "god" part of myself, but a higher aspect of myself, it "tricks" "me" into experiencing this world as it is and the higher power we feel on these drugs is actually real, it's the operating system, we're just users and that's why this world doesn't seem real, etc.. in other words I got the impression that in our minds there are multiple entities, "I'm" just one of them, we all have different purposes but "god" is actually the program that runs above me, "I" run as a virtualised system within the system, if that makes any sense.... what was even more far out was that I realised that I could be granted "administrative privledeges" on MXE, it's like the higher level functions [of me] are dealing with cosmic matters.. basically much bigger things than i [I should say we] realise, it knows more that "I" know, and that my personality, the whole human experience "I" is actually dealing with survival and other day to day bullshit, where as the "god" part of my mind is dealing with far out complex stuff to do with the universe... perhaps even that "god" system of our brain is communicating with other "god" circuits in other humans and thats how we seem to be communicating on a deeper level, yet that level is hidden to us because our "concious" mind doesn't deal with those functions.. I believe there are moments on drugs where we communicate with the master system of our brain, but also times when we realise that we are one and the same as that system and then we get to see things a new way.... it could also be that this "god" part of our mind that looks over us has it's own set of beliefs that are a higher level above that...

I'll leave it there, but like I said MXE is a pretty far out drug for me...

 

[psood0nym]

Thanks for the breakdown. I can't get methoxetamine where I am yet but I'm curious about your experineces with ketamine. Do you get these kinds of effects from ketamine by itself, how about DXM? I ask because I've never been able to get "holing" effects from ketamine alone, but occasionally get hynogogic-like visions from DXM.

 

[lbeing789]

I have noticed that there seem to be 4 or 5 stages to the experience for me.

1) Dissociative?

I first start feeling strong effects around 45 mins after insufflating 50mg, I turn off the lights, turn the music up and lay in bed. I get feelings of rushing through space and feel that my body is dissolving and leaving a trail behind me as a fly. Music sounds awesome but it can be diffilcult to find the right tunes for the occasion. I have found that something with vocals that you know and can understand to be good. I was convinced that Florence's "Dog days" was the best song ever made and the positive message and rousing vocals filled me with euphoria. I am totally absorbed by the music.

The closed eye visiuals remind me of very low dose dmt but more liquid, no geometry more like oil floating on water. The visuals are effected by the music, there is a rainbow like stream rushing towards me and through me undulating in time to the music, kind of reminded me of rainbow road from mario kart if the track was the music.

I try to pick out individual instruments but find it impossible, I realise the stream is the music, i try to picture a band on stage but all I can imagine is five people standing in a line with the same rainbow stream emerging from their chests and flowing out into the world. My whole concept of music is now just this beautiful multi coloured wave and it is taking me on a wonderful ride.

During this first stage I find I can open my eyes and feel quite nornal, the trip is very much under my control.

2) Introspective

This is where it seem to me that the drug starts to get into all the little corners of your brain, seeking out the things you have hidden in there and gently teasing them out just to let you know that you could be happier in your life if you just dealt with these things, it is not the assault on your psyche that other drugs can bring but I could see how things could take a turn for the worse here for people with serious unresolved issues.

This is also where I get some confusing thought patterns and a general feeling of weirdness, everything seems different in a way that is difficult to describe. This stage doesn't seem to last long before...

3) Euphoric

It's like the drug says "ok lesson's over, let's have a party". Waves of massive euphoria, light floaty body feeling, big smiles, feeling of total contentment, confidence, energy, empathy, not a care in the world. I feel compelled to dance alone in the dark and choice of music becomes less important as everything sounds brilliant, even songs I know well sound really different. "Month of May" by Arcade Fire comes on, which is probably the fastest and rockiest song on the album, it sounds like a chilled out sixties psychedelic classic and seemed to last about half an hour (better than it sounds). Time perception is out the window. Would love to be in a club right now. Open eyed visuals are apparent but indistinct, shifting patterns are covering everything but I can't make out any detail, gives everything a sort of soft and fluffy appearence.

4) Creative

The weirdness condenses into something more like the best parts of the classic psychedelic headspace, my brain seems to be super charged, ideas start to flow, new connections offering new perspectives, I often laugh to myself as amusing thoughts occur. The world is full of possibility. You can change your own destiny, you can change the world, you can start right now. Positivity is total. I will often start to write and the words just flow out as if automatically.

I think a talented person like a musician or artist could really use this stage for inspiration and motivation.

5) Visionary?

I was unsure if i should include this stage because I see it as the comedown really, probably because it last's so long and is mostly visual with no real mental component, but it is interesting for a while.

My thoughts slow down and my body begins to relax. I try to sleep but it is not possible. I close me eyes and I begin to notice patterns forming, neon glowing shapes that start to look like leaves that start to form into plants and trees, suddenly this becomes a totally realistic forest scene. This is just one example, I have no control over these visions, they show me whatever they want but there does seem to be a theme of scenes from the natural word. It almost feels like remote viewing, like I am actually looking at real places in real time.

This can go on for hours and is dreamlike to the point that I am not sure if am still awake or sleeping so this is where i take a couple of benzos and sleep shortly follows.

I haven't tried to estimate the duration of these stages as time perception is very altered and I find constant clock watching distracts from a trip. Also the stages overlap to a large extent.

Would love to hear if anybody else has had similar experiences of these stages or even something completely different.

Peace

Good job on this, you pretty much nailed it for me I've had almost all the same experiences and in the stages you described... I described the music stage as actually becoming music, it was like my brain re contextualises myself from a human into a song.. good point about finding the right music to play, I found beat driven music distracting (which is odd for a drug, for me), it wouldn't "trigger" the effect, I need ambient more textured stuff, almost noisy was better... though as you said it all sounds different... my own music sounds like shit unfortunately, extremely distracting, it's like my brain isn't confused by it or something.....

I liked how you put "Visionary?" because I've had this stage also, it's right at the end, I noticed my room looked futuristic and I was questioning whether this stuff was just ket with acid dripped on it haha...but yeah, there is a visionary component, it's hard to explain and it's hard to control.

Can't wait to become more experienced with this stuff... also good point about the lessons part.. I've already had some hard times doing introspection on drugs, and I feel that I'm past that point at this moment in my life, but I'd imagine some people will have some very difficult lessons to deal with... it could be a tricky one.. I myself found myself feeling mentally healed, as if gunk was being cleaned out of my brain, or maybe even that new life-enjoying receptor sites were being developed...

Can I also say that I'm still feeling amazing color saturation 48hrs after the trip? as in full on colors but with no other effects and I feel very normal... I love it, but maybe it's not going away? haha

 

[lbeing789]

I can't seem to k-hole on ket and I've never done DXM.. to be honest, although I love ket, I've never held much value for disassociatives... I do now. It's funny looking back at Terence Mckenna arguing with people about his experiences with ket, he found it very spiritual... I have a feeling MXE may have opened up some new personal gateways for ketamine and DXM... can anyone relate the DXM experience to the MXE experience? I'm gonna try it very soon, but I'd love some advice going in.

 

[lbeing789]

also MrTiHKAL I was thinking more about your breakdown and it occurred to me that another way to look at it is that it's almost as if your whole mind is supercharged...that every aspect of your cerebral consciousness is heightened, some psychs feel like they scramble it up, this one feels like it overdrives it...

should point out again, definitely increasing headaches if used too much, glad to have found that a break + vallys really helped with this.

 

[lbeing789]

one more thing... another thing that keeps on popping to mind is how it reminds me of how my perception was when I was younger, I've always commented to people how the world seems "darker" as you get older, meaning everything loses it lustre, but at this moment my mind feels like a young man, it's funny how often "change the world" comes up because that thought has occurred repeatedly to me and my friends, it's the kind of naive optimism you get as a teenager... hope it's not too delusional haha

 

[incognition]

I think it was hugo24 that said something about MXE being a bit like ketamine with focus more on the spiritual side and less on the analgetic, and i agree on that. As i wrote before, i had a quite remarkable experience with it this weekend (which i remember almost all of), and the aftereffects are more related to how i feel after a journey with serotonergic psychedelics than ketamine. I think ketamine is much more addictive too. I dont feel the urge to take MXE again soon, but with ket i just want to do it everyday. The stuff is moreish when you're at it though, for sure. But how couldn't it be?

You might argue about ketamine being a true psychedelic or not, but not with this one. We have winner.

 

[incognition]

DXM is interesting and can be very powerful, but it feels dirty. A friend suggested that you could use the plateu system on MXE too. I agree on that. But still i think MXE is more similar to ketamine than DXM.

I can't seem to k-hole on ket and I've never done DXM.. to be honest, although I love ket, I've never held much value for disassociatives... I do now. It's funny looking back at Terence Mckenna arguing with people about his experiences with ket, he found it very spiritual... I have a feeling MXE may have opened up some new personal gateways for ketamine and DXM... can anyone relate the DXM experience to the MXE experience? I'm gonna try it very soon, but I'd love some advice going in.

 

[lbeing789]

DXM is interesting and can be very powerful, but it feels dirty. A friend suggested that you could use the plateu system on MXE too. I agree on that. But still i think MXE is more similar to ketamine than DXM.

So it's probably worth a try... does it feel dirtier than ket? because after a night of ket usage you do feel a little wrong, not necessarily harmed but my chest aches a bit... haven't had that on MXE... on a side note, too much nitrous has left me with flu like symptoms.

 

[incognition]

^ Much dirtier than ket. Sometimes nausea and always itchyness. It's not great, but does the job somehow. Comparing MXE with DXM like comparing gourmet food with mcdonalds.

 

[lbeing789]

^ Much dirtier than ket. Sometimes nausea and always itchyness. It's not great, but does the job somehow. Comparing MXE with DXM like comparing gourmet food with mcdonalds.

yuck, I think I can imagine it... I can get pure DXM but I'm guessing it's just as bad... think I'll still try it for experience.

 

[mi5]

I find this stuff feels much LESS dirty than regular K

Much cleaner.

It feels more sophisticated too, like comparing Cigars (Methox) to Marlborough (K)


Other than the price, the only downside I note is that even once it does finally wear off 3 hours after the line....you then have another 3+ hours where you cannot get to sleep.


Not a good thing to do a cheeky line of just 2hours before bed - though it is not a bad insomnia, you do not have the heart + pulse racing associated with stimulants, nor the odd thoughts associated with psycadelics. In fact, if I was going to be unable to sleep, this is probably one of the better reasons

 

[Coolio]

^ Much dirtier than ket. Sometimes nausea and always itchyness

Nausea and itchiness are good signs. Those are the side effects of mu opioid agonism. To most drug users that's desirable, not 'dirty'. You wouldn't call pharmaceutical diamorphine dirty would you?

 

[incognition]

I think i'm not alone feeling that DXM is dirty and inferior to ketamine.
Each to his own.

Nausea and itchiness are good signs. Those are the side effects of mu opioid agonism. To most drug users that's desirable, not 'dirty'. You wouldn't call pharmaceutical diamorphine dirty would you?

 

[lbeing789]

Nausea and itchiness are good signs. Those are the side effects of mu opioid agonism. To most drug users that's desirable, not 'dirty'. You wouldn't call pharmaceutical diamorphine dirty would you?

I'm not experienced with opiates except Kratom and codeine, I have some tramadol that I'm gonna try soon... but I get the nausea and itch from high enough doses of those, is this the kind of side effects we're talking about or is it extreme versions of them? I would've assumed the dis-associative nature would make you care less...

 

[knock]

Seems like some people are talking about DXM and other people think they're talking about Methoxetamine!

 

[lbeing789]

^ I think we're discussing the relationship of DXM and ketamine to MXE.. how they relate to each other, we're comparing them.

EDIT: I also think discussing these things are important not only to discuss the compounds in question, but also to identify the actual spectrum of effects these compounds have. I'm more interested in what they are doing than what they are if that makes sense.

 

[knock]

I was talking about this, which appears to be a defence of Methoxetamine in response to a comparison between Ketamine and Methoxetamine, finding "M" dirtier than "K", when no such comparison was made.

I find this stuff feels much LESS dirty than regular K

Much cleaner.

It feels more sophisticated too, like comparing Cigars (Methox) to Marlborough (K)