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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread

So whats the deal.. How similar is the LSZ available right now to N. Sands product from a few decades ago? How similar are the precursor and synth?
Pretty much asking if I got Nicholas's LSZ Years back how similar would it be to a product available currently in the UK?
Identical?

I guess the only differences possible are precursor and purity's

Lets start a dirty LSZ FAQ
JK Love you all
 
EarthBounded said:
So whats the deal.. How similar is the LSZ available right now to N. Sands product from a few decades ago?
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Unless someone analyzed it back then and submitted it for literature: impossible to say.

How similar are the precursor and synth?
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Sorry we can't really talk about that

Pretty much asking if I got Nicholas's LSZ Years back how similar would it be to a product available currently in the UK?
Identical?
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Pretty much.
 
Well if all goes to plan and I'll be trying it for the first time today. Planning on doing just one blotter, but I planned on doing just one my first time with AL-LAD, ended up eating all three, lol.


@Si Ingwe: haven't tried LSZ so far, but with AL-LAD it's definitely faster if you just chew and swallow.
 
The case appears the same for each compound then. Coincidence?

Good luck on your Liz trip, I still havent got round do doing a whole tab of LSz in one go. After reading about the differing ROA I decided first to replicate the original research using a different method of application & I felt it would queer the pitch if I didn't use the same dosage regime.

My final LSz dose was a bit too late on Sunday, approx 6pm & I unsurprisingly found myself unable to sleep at midnight. Dozed off about 1am & awoke at 6 feeling a bit shite! Once up & off to work though, I felt great, definitely more of an afterglow than a hangover! :)
 
>The case appears the same for each compound then. Coincidence?
Better absorption from the stomach? Maybe due to the acidic environment?


Thanks for the wishes!
 
is there any clue whether or not this is the S,S isomer or ?

that GC/MS, unless it was derivatized, is concerning:
1. it shows only a ~1 minute window of a 15 minute wide trace.
2. the compound doesn't matched published MS data for LSZ :(
3. it shows several other compounds whose MS are not shown
 
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Yeah I was told that as well. I would have expected better potency from the theoretical structural superiority, but it can still very well be true.
I guess it sounds credible to me...
 
Interesting, I'd not really bothered to scrutinise the data from this after the success that was AL-LAD. It is indeed puported to be enantiomerically pure.
 
I know people that say that LSA is more potent that LSD as well. I've never found anything that's come close to as strong as a strong acid trip. With the exception of DMT and maybe some 2c family drugs. But I'd still be real interested in trying it/hearing about someones experience that is very knowledgeable in this area, since I've never actually tried LSZ. I'll watch for the report.
 
Anyway, because I know people don't read far back - yesterday was my first time with LSZ, ate 1 blotter and I must say I was very impressed.

If AL-LAD is the extroverted visual brother, LSZ is the introverted one.

The come up abut as fast as AL-LAD (30 min for me, I just chew and swallow), but where with AL-LAD you start getting more and more visuals, the come up from LSZ is almost 100% mental. What other have said is true, it is very introspective, allows you do think and talk about your problems, perhaps find solutions, ... None of it is forced, the drug just helps you if you wish. The sensory effects were minimal, just a little bit at the peak. Physically it's totally benign (AL-LAD is also for me), no nausea, no cramping, no jaw clenching, .... It's also not stimmy at all, if anyone remembers, yesterday I was complaining about being sleepy. Also, like AL-LAD, there were never hints of anxiety. Even while on I feel I could have gone asleep if I wanted to, think I actually did come close a few times*

(this is for lower doses 1-2 tabs):
Anyway if you're looking to have some fun, do something with friends, stuff like that go for AL-LAD, if you're looking to explore your self LSZ is the one.

Things to still explore: higher doses of LSZ and a combo of LSZ and AL-LAD



*I actually fell asleep on a combo of apb 5 and 6 (75mg of both I think) and on mapb5 alone. I also have insomnia sober a lot of the time.
 
I tried a 150 ug blotter of this on sunday night. I think i had ate too much prior to taking only about an hour before ingesting. This was at exactly ten to eight pm and didnt actually feel anything till after midnight. There was some faint cev patterning but next to nothing with eyes open. It did keep me awake till the dawn though. There was something there but as i was smoking a lot of noids they may have masked any psychedelic effects. maybe i just got a bad one but i still have 2 left so will start earlier in the day next time and if effects are similar i will be able to drop a second one so heres hoping.
 
I'd go for one & a half straight off, if you're experienced with psychedelics... I had this yesterday & updated my report on my initial LSz test - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/683345-quot-er-giggly-ergoloids-quot-LSz-2-x-75ug-experienced

I am pretty light-weight, with low tolerance but lots of experience tripping, if I can handle 225ug LSz on my own, any other experienced traveller will also :)

I always thought, & I'd hate to criticise this vendor after they've shown so much forsight sourcing these remarkable compounds, that the Al-Lad should have been 200ug. I'd now say the same for the LSz.
 
Personally I think 100ug would have been ideal. One can easily take two but for those who might not want the full intensity first time, it's ever so slightly more hassle to halve a tab.
 
How does AL-LAD and LSZ stack up against the 4-substituted tryps?

Being a big fan of their mental & physical effects would i be underwhelmed with these?
 
I suspect it would be simply a case of finding your idea dosage.

Although the trips on 4-subs are clearly, subjectively different to these lysergide, both LSz & Al-Lad do have something in common with them. Both LSz & Al-Lad are about as gentle on the system as 4-subs but last a fair bit longer, especially LSz which produced a 12 hour trip at 225ug...
 
Two blotters of LSZ puked me out, literally, even after two ginger tablets. Let's just say, two LSZ blotters is too many, at least for my system.
 
Well, 1.5 blotters sure gave me a kick in the arse, so... yeah... I think that's about as high as I'd go...
 
Yup, 2 was excessive for me. And the visuals weren't even boosted much, just the side effects. I got a lot more visuals from the AL-LAD actually, just that the tremors were rather severe and lasted the whole duration. LSZ is not as good as I thought it would be based on its 5-HT receptor affinities. The first few hours are quite unpleasant really and even after that part subsides it isn't anything particularly great. I'll use the 100 hits I bought, but only because at one hit there isn't noticeable tremors and only light nausea. I would prefer AL-LAD based on the visuals and lack of nausea but the tremors have turned me off from it. I may be able to prevent the nausea somehow, ginger didn't work but maybe diphenhydramine would work, haven't tried that yet.
 
How long does tolerance from this last I had one 150ug blotter of LSZ of the 3rd of September and 3 AL-LAD blotters just an hour 10 min ago. Still feeling nothing really and usually AL-LAD gives me first alerts in 30 min or sooner and then rises quite fast.
 
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I chose 300µg of LSZ... and holy Lord, it was a tremendous orgiastic psychedelic Venture as far as i could've probably go with my first ever experience! And in no way should one think i'd exaggerate when saying something like this, because it was simply TERRIFIC :?8o:D=D<3
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Extraordinary substance!
 
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