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The Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread (Third Injection)

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abstrakt said:
I have two different kinds of vial K in the collection, but I'm a little afraid to give it a try again. I've only done K a couple times, and it was from a gram I bought at a festival. I'm not sure what isomer it was, or anything like that. I don't even know if it was originally vial K or not. But, it made me extremely nauseous and dizzy, and that was really all I got from it - a really swimmy feeling in my head, and nausea. I didn't get any effects that I would call positive. Basically, i hate being sick to my stomach like that. I would like to know what ketamine is all about though, so I'm tempted to give it a try again...

I have an Agrovet vial (Ket-a-100) 10ml 100mg/ml, made in Peru.

I also have a Kepro vial, 10ml 100mg/ml, made in Holland.

If anyone has tried or knows anything about either of these brands and can suggest which one I give ketamine another try with, it would be appreciated. Also, once I cook it down, about how much should give me an idea of what K is all about without really thumping my head too hard?
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Hey I have some experience with the Peruvian agrovet vials, I consider them more S+ isomer than R+ which is good news for your nausea situation. I could walk around fine on ~30mg insufflated and feel no nausea, wheras that much racemic K would probably make me feel pretty wonky. For me walking becomes difficult while on any more than 20-40mg of racemic or R+ dominant K, which is what it sounds like what you got the first time.

If you don't have a scale than take the corner of a credit card and scoop up a small amount to take as a bump. An average k-hole sized dose is 100-200mg which will be one or two lines around the size of your pinky, or 1/10th of your gram pile. Check out Erowid's dosage vault for more info, & good luck on your adventures!
 
I appreciate it. I'll probably cook that one down then (Agrovet).

Also, I do have a milligram accurate scale, so I can be exact with the dosage. :)
 
Alright sweet! That's the best way to do K since you can calculate a dose exactly based on your weight, again the Erowid vault can guide you in terms of mg per lb/kg. When you're eying the stuff it makes it way harder to discern the difference between enantiomers since the difference in potency isn't something you can spot visually. The Agrovet is probably the cleanest ket I've ever had, should be able to hole with around ~100mg of that stuff-it's fairly potent. Enjoy :)
 
Whenever I do more than 75-100mg in one session I end up yaking (even with no food in my stomach). Anyone have any tips for avoiding this?
 
From http://www.thedarkpassenger.org/2009/11/the_ketamine_olympics_and_hall.html

"One of the concepts we talk about involving ketamine is something we refer to as the "K Olympics." Before taking the ketamine, the group identifies a goal, such as "go upstairs and touch a sink." Then, when everyone is in k-land, the race starts. Admittedly, this sounds more entertaining to watch than to participate in, but I have a better appreciation for the idea after this experience."
 
That is awesome ^. I feel like before I take a dissociative I always need to have some sort of plan, because when I start tripping my balls off, I sit there wondering what the hell am I doing (not in a bad way, just very confused). If I have some sort of plan a head of time I manage to follow some sort of path with out even intending on doing so, not that it is very easy to complete complex tasks, but it can be done over a period of time.

I love being lost in confusion or performing tasks as an observer during dissociative experiences. Not sure what it is, but something about it is just a lot of fun.
 
naginnudej said:
Whenever I do more than 75-100mg in one session I end up yaking (even with no food in my stomach). Anyone have any tips for avoiding this?
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What's your setting like? I rarely feel nauseated if I'm lying down with my eyes closed; it's only when I get up to walk around that I feel weak and wobbly.

Also I usually smoke weed before using K, as it seems to help with K-related tummy issues.
 
naginnudej said:
Whenever I do more than 75-100mg in one session I end up yaking (even with no food in my stomach). Anyone have any tips for avoiding this?
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Stay still! Seriously, that's it. Ketamine used to make me nauseated at similar dosage levels (though only IM; insufflated didn't cause nausea even at 100 mg, for whatever reason). My physiology has since changed, though, and I can now take larger doses without becoming nauseated. I wonder if dramamine would be effective at combating K nausea. It might be that the nausea from K is due to your brain having reduced interoceptive awareness of your body because of K's NDMA antagonism, which could theoretically cause "virtual" motion sickness on account of the delay between body movement and your brain's awareness of body movement. In other words, K slows down or distorts the signals to your brain that tell it about the timing of the movements of your body, and the difference in timing is interpreted as originating at some non-bodily source (like a boat on a wavy sea) because your brain is conditioned to expect signals within some "sober" millisecond range.
 
The first few times I did K I would get nauseous when ever I moved. Never puked though. But now it seems to not be a problem. I get dizzy as fuck when I try to walk on 100mg+ but no nausea.

Maybe the drip is what's causing your nausea. Perhaps doing it on an empty stomach would be better? Or perhaps with a light meal if you usually do it that way.
 
The only time I ever felt slightly nauseous from ketamine, it was first of all, pretty random (outlier experience). I snorted ~120mg, smoked two bowls, and smoked a cigarette at with in 5 minutes of consuming the K, as well as 20 minutes into consuming the k. After that second cig, I don't know what happened. Whenever I walked, I felt what I can imagine being sea sick would be like in a mild to moderate form. I ended up sitting down and still felt a little off. I consumed more k and smoked another bowl and I was fine.
 
psood0nym said:
Stay still! Seriously, that's it. Ketamine used to make me nauseated at similar dosage levels (though only IM; insufflated didn't cause nausea even at 100 mg, for whatever reason). My physiology has since changed, though, and I can now take larger doses without becoming nauseated. I wonder if dramamine would be effective at combating K nausea. It might be that the nausea from K is due to your brain having reduced interoceptive awareness of your body because of K's NDMA antagonism, which could theoretically cause "virtual" motion sickness on account of the delay between body movement and your brain's awareness of body movement. In other words, K slows down or distorts the signals to your brain that tell it about the timing of the movements of your body, and the difference in timing is interpreted as originating at some non-bodily source (like a boat on a wavy sea) because your brain is conditioned to expect signals within some "sober" millisecond range.
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I really just needed to stay still. Thanks p, your delightfully easy-to-follow advice worked!
 
Staying still helps a lot but for me, weed has been able to curb my nausea to the extent that I can even get hungry on ketamine. It will color your experience in your own way, depending on how you react to smoking weed. I'm a regular smoker so I must admit I use it for and with just about everything 8).
 
this is going to sound so stupid because ive taken ket quite alot but here goes...

when snorting, does the 'drip' that you swallow turn into norketamine thus making it less effective (norketamine works more as a painkiller??)

what im getting at is, do you want to swallow as little as possible, ive always thought swallowing the drip was what made it work (as stupid as that sounds)
 
^ The liver.

The idea that only swallowing the drip results in norketamine simply isn't correct.

While a bit of K is excreted as-is (I think), almost all the K you take, regardless of ROA, will be converted into norketamine by the liver.
 
Has anyone tried the ketamine trip combo film/audio available at some torrent sites? I just did the combo myself and was blown away. I would include a link but I think that would violate the BLUA.
 
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