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The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration

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Anyone else combo'ed LSA with piracetam?

Yes, me and a few friends did this combo and they synergize very well. From my personal point of view, piracetam made me more clear-minded and intensified a part of the visuals (colors became more bright, could see 'the waves' better). No negative effects experienced for me as well as the other people I know that made this combination. Be aware, though, the max. dosage was 2.4 grams of piracetam with 15 HWBR.
 
Don't bother. LSA is the shittiest shit of psychedelics that you'll ever experience. Your most likely just gonna throw up, if you do manage to keep the seeds down you will feel nauseous for the entire duration of your trip and instead of insightful thoughts and the world looking beautifully distorted everything will take on a darker edge and you will most likely get in a depressive mind state.
LSA is not worth it in my opinion.
 
^ I disagree. I found my LSA trips to be very powerful and insightful. Yes, HBWR makes you purge more often than nought, but that comes with the territory.

HBWR is not something "to get fucked up on", its definitely not recreational in the same sense that alcohol and weed are recreational.
 
LSA is very very good psychedelic... its more euphoric,more stimulating than lsd

visuals are amazing,feels like heaven... only bad thing is that its hell on stomach
 
Don't bother. LSA is the shittiest shit of psychedelics that you'll ever experience. Your most likely just gonna throw up, if you do manage to keep the seeds down you will feel nauseous for the entire duration of your trip and instead of insightful thoughts and the world looking beautifully distorted everything will take on a darker edge and you will most likely get in a depressive mind state.
LSA is not worth it in my opinion.

Then you had lousy seeds. Ergoline seeds are very powerful when fresh (and the correct variety). Like mushrooms, they can and will vary in potency...some are very weak and some are very strong. Actually, good woodrose seeds are absolutely the most powerful plant-based psychedelic there is...less than a gram of ground seed material is needed for full effects. Only a single species of mushrooms (Psilocybe cyanescens) is that potent.
 
Actually, good woodrose seeds are absolutely the most powerful plant-based psychedelic there is...less than a gram of ground seed material is needed for full effects. Only a single species of mushrooms (Psilocybe cyanescens) is that potent.

i never realized that before... pretty incredible.

ergoloid containing seeds can be very incredible. i've had some near life changing trips on them. i've also had some crazy delusional mind fucking trips on them. i've even had recreational trips on them... i don't have a handle on what was different in all those trips. but yeah, they are definitely interesting things...
 
one of my favorite trips of all time was off morning glories. ate 13 grams of em. Took me 7 hours to peak but once i did the euphoria was better than mdma in my opinion...
 
Wikid I'm keen the hit it up, but does anyone know how to remove the sulfur dust that they are sprayed with? I'm going the extraction route so hopefully that should counteract some of the nauesa.
 
In my experience, HB Woodrose seeds are the most difficult serotonergic psychedelic to handle that I have tied. That being said, I have used them dozens of times, and have had mostly good or great experiences, many experiences that I would only classify as "neutral" or "fair", and only one very bad experience. If you can overcome the often intense stomach discomfort (which sometimes lasts for several hours) the seeds can be very rewarding, but you're more at risk of a bad trip than you are with Mushrooms or LSD for instance. If you have a weak stomach, I would avoid using them. The presence of cyanogenic glucosamides (which are quite toxic) in the seeds is unlikely but not disproven. I would not use HB woodrose seeds without Piracetam; for me this would certainly result in an underwhelming trip, although some people are affected more by this particular psychedelic than others. Your call.
 
^do you have a source? I am not disputing your claim; its just that I have not encountered conclusive evidence yet in my own research.
 
I don't know if you will find such a source saying that they don't contain such compounds, what i have done are extensive searches of plant data bases that list species which do contain cyanogenic glycosides (among other compounds)...I have never seen argyreia nervosa, ipomoea violacea, or any other morning glory listed as having such compounds.
 
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^Judging by how conclusively you phrased your previous post, I had honestly expected that you would have at least one source stating specifically that HB Woodrose seeds do NOT contain cyanogenic glucosides. I hate to be picky, but saying something such as "period. end of discussion" without truly conclusive evidence may be acceptable on a public forum, but that's not the sort of thing that one would expect from, say, scientific literature.

This can't be something that is that difficult to test for, can it? Maybe I am thinking too optimistically, but perhaps we could sponsor a thorough and definitive test of the outer coating of these seeds with the help of other bluelighters? You probably know more about what such a procedure would entail than I do, so perhaps you could offer some information as to how plausible such a proposal would be. Let me know what you think.

Respectfully,

-Saucy
 
^Judging by how conclusively you phrased your previous post, I had honestly expected that you would have at least one source stating specifically that HB Woodrose seeds do NOT contain cyanogenic glucosides. I hate to be picky, but saying something such as "period. end of discussion" without truly conclusive evidence may be acceptable on a public forum, but that's not the sort of thing that one would expect from, say, scientific literature.

This can't be something that is that difficult to test for, can it? Maybe I am thinking too optimistically, but perhaps we could sponsor a thorough and definitive test of the outer coating of these seeds with the help of other bluelighters? You probably know more about what such a procedure would entail than I do, so perhaps you could offer some information as to how plausible such a proposal would be. Let me know what you think.

Respectfully,

-Saucy
I disagree, but if we all agreed this forum would be lame. Such tests (that examine the seed coat, and all the flesh inbetween) have already been conducted....many times over.

Check out plant data bases, alkaloid data bases, etc. When you start exploring, you will see how extensive they are. And many you won't find online without a membership, but your local university library should have everything you can imagine.

No one makes lists of what plants do not contain...lists are made of what plants do contain.

These seeds (ergoline-containing morning glory) have been extensively analyzed since 1966 and they simply don't have cyanogenic glycosides. I don't think it's plausable to assume so many scientists have somehow missed the presence of chemicals so easy to detect.

PS...I do have a source that says they don't contain the glycosides....me! I've done the research and they don't have them. :)
 
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It's pretty easy to prove the presence of something. But to prove that something ISN'T there.... that's difficult.
 
It's pretty easy to prove the presence of something. But to prove that something ISN'T there.... that's difficult.

Naw. GCMS, TLC, and other means of analysis are tried/tested/true at showing both what is there, and what isn't there. :)

Ps Sorry to be such a know-it-all it is just that this topic is one I have studied for literally half my life, including countless hours in the university libraries. Hell, on my month long vacation to the Western USA in 2002, we stopped in the library of every major city so I could read journal articles and look at micro film.

It is one of those things where you just need to trust me, or look on your own for a proper reference to show the presence of cyanogenic glycosides in the seeds.
 
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LSA question

I know a lot ofpeopletake the LSA gummy stuff and put it into gel caps
but is it possible to soak it up in paper/puzzle peices like they do for LSD?
 
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