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The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration

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Chr1stoffer said:
Read this thread, but can't find an answer to how long the tolerance last? I took 10HWBR seeds yesterday, can I trip next friday on the same dose or I will I have a big tolerance?
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psychedelics have a long wait time until you can "experience" them on the same level again.

example:

You smoke weed on the first of the month. You quit until the 3rd of the month - by then when you smoke, it pretty much hits you the same as it did on the first (except when youre a heavy heavy smoker)

with hallucinogens/psychedelics like LSD, LSA, mushrooms....the MINIMUM most people say to wait to trip is at least 2 weeks, if not 3 to 4 (a month). I personally dosed on LSA a few days ago, and i have close to 35 seeds left. I plan on doing it again towards the middle or end of july, same dosage if not a LITTLE higher...i took 10 and had an awesome experience, but it was probably more like 8 or 9 because i didnt drink the entire mixture..

don't push it if you feel safe. wait awhile, give it some time, let your body become totally off the effects (2-4 weeks) before you try it again, and maybe increase dose by 1 or 2 seeds as a lot of people say their LSA experiences go from euphoric and amazing to scary and dark with higher dosages
 
Well my trip was "aborted" after about 3 hours. Kinda lost track of time. I was bad tripping hard and luckily my friend had some clonazepam. But I guess that doesn't affect the tolerance since the drug was still in my body. Thank you for the answer.
 
Chr1stoffer said:
Well my trip was "aborted" after about 3 hours. Kinda lost track of time. I was bad tripping hard and luckily my friend had some clonazepam. But I guess that doesn't affect the tolerance since the drug was still in my body. Thank you for the answer.
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the nature of your bad trip? Did you by any chance go into self analytical mode? I am just interested because in my experience most bad trips on LSAs tend to involve this kind of thing...
 
I don't mind. The TV was on, and I think it was one of those CSI programs on. It showed some tigers, human bodies, human bones and such. Not a nice thing to see on psychedelic drug. At the same time the computer was playing loud psychedelic music, and it was all floating together into a big can of psyuchedelic soup. I thought I knew what I was in for, i have read all there is to read about psychedelics but it completely took me by surprise with its sheer strength. I was kinda struggling whether to let go of my self or not. I felt that if I didn't kept watching the tv I would float away, into outer space and "I" would not exist anymore.
I was thinking thoughts like "Whats the point of all this, whats the meaning of this remote control." Nothing in the world made sense.

Looking back I think I should have faced my fears and accepted it, and letted go.
 
Chr1stoffer said:
What kind of visuals will you get by 4-6 hits of LSD? I have never tried it. The 10 HBWR seeds gave me alot of patterns on my jeans and arms, "lagging" images in the tv and very blurry vision when looking at normal things.
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well, the most blotters i've taken at once was 3. stationary objects would appear to move (for example, curtains flowing in the wind with the window shut, flowers sliding and dancing across an open field). moving objects would leave trails behind them. colors would seemingly change before my eyes, or even exhibit multiple hues at once (which the best way i can describe is somewhat like the rainbow sheen you see when oil is on top of water). walls would seem to loose their angular nature. the most intriguing visual effect was looking at a picture made up of black and white lines that seemed to suck into itself and turn inside out (bad explanation, but its hard to put into words). outlines of objects seems to take on rainbow shades and vibrate. and of course, textured objects would take on geometric patterns.

morning glory on the other hand is like a much scaled down version of this. the only visual effects i got were slight wavering of objects, minor trails and an increased sense of brightness/color. the visuals are just much less pronounced compared to LSD at a similar intensity of the mental trip.
 
Chr1stoffer said:
I don't mind. The TV was on, and I think it was one of those CSI programs on. It showed some tigers, human bodies, human bones and such. Not a nice thing to see on psychedelic drug. At the same time the computer was playing loud psychedelic music, and it was all floating together into a big can of psyuchedelic soup. I thought I knew what I was in for, i have read all there is to read about psychedelics but it completely took me by surprise with its sheer strength. I was kinda struggling whether to let go of my self or not. I felt that if I didn't kept watching the tv I would float away, into outer space and "I" would not exist anymore.
I was thinking thoughts like "Whats the point of all this, whats the meaning of this remote control." Nothing in the world made sense.

Looking back I think I should have faced my fears and accepted it, and letted go.
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Yeah I get these kind of moments on LSA. It's like the relativistic nature of existence undermines the point of everything. I remember during one trip I wasn't able to pick some tunes because all the music (around 4000 songs of different genres) in my collection seemed the same. I simply couldn't make a choice because the concept of making a choice didn't really make sense.
 
yeah, it was sometyhing like that. I hope I won't get those thoughts on my next trip. I think the reason was because it just took my completely by surprise. I had imagined it like an MDMA comedown + more visuals + more thoughts, so no wonder it was much stronger than expected.
 
TRPPNASS_DSCOMONKE said:
well im getting ready to do my first LSA water extraction and i just have a few questions about it that i didnt see answered in the big MG/HBWR thread.

#1- what is your average dose in terms of grams of seeds. ive been told that about 10g will produce a effect with a similiar strength to two hits of LSD. sound about right? is this still true in a water extraction?

#2- about how many grams of seeds would you use to produce an effect to say 4 or 6 hits of LSD?

#3- how often is it safe to ingest LSA? i know one every other week is pretty safe with LSD, what the case with LSA?

#4- do you prefer water extraction or grounds seeds in a smoothie? any benefits to either one?

#5- any special tips or anything that synergizes extremely well with LSA? and ive gathered that MG seeds will give you a more stimulated trip while HBWR will be more of a relaxed, couch lock trip, sounds about right?

thanks for the info. merge into the big and dandy thread if you like mods.
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1 & 2: I wouldn't compare anything in terms of a 'hit' of acid as they can vary so much in strength. Appropriate doses are in the 5-12g range, with 12g being a pretty powerful experience. Water extractions are ever so slightly less efficient, but I would still start around 5-8g.

3: I wouldn't do it more than once a month, but that's just to keep the experience new and magical. In terms of safety, you could probably do it every day and besides a massive tolerance you'd be fine once you quit doing it. (I in no way advocate doing so, but it wouldn't kill you.)

4: Water extraction hands down. A water extraction doesn't extract the things that make you sick, so it feels way, way better.

5: It's true that morning glories are more stimulating while HBWR are pretty sedating. I don't really like HBWR, but other people seem to like them just fine. I like to smoke a small bowl of weed as I'm coming up to quell the nausea, otherwise they're fine on their own.

Good luck on your explorations!
 
butane: How about ergotism? LSA (or whatever alkaloids these seeds contian) seem to have a VERY vasoconstrictive effect on me. Even more so than what's to be expected from a psychedelic.
 
^I think regular use would certainly have detrimental affects on circulation as well. I don't know the half-life of all the LSA's but I'm sure that if you were dosing daily you would accumulate a fair bit of rather toxic ergolines in you. Does anyone know if LSA's and metabolites can collect in tissue/fat?
 
So has anybody else tried this peppermint oil/everclear super-lsa conversion from page 5?
 
So, lets say. I tripped monday, and its now thursday. Would my tolerance be too high for me to trip? I know you're not supposed to trip this often to keep it magical, but if my mind is set on it?
 
Should try using vodka (total alkaloid extract) or alcohol (leaves a lot of LSA behind) then evaporate it if you want more LSD like activity/feel
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Does evaporating it down not leave a product the degrades very rapidly in open air?


So, lets say. I tripped monday, and its now thursday. Would my tolerance be too high for me to trip? I know you're not supposed to trip this often to keep it magical, but if my mind is set on it?
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You would still trip, though I doubt it would be as powerful unless you ate more than you did before. Why not just wait till the weekend and have an extra 1-3 days for the tolerance to go down? And yea you don't wanna lose the magic.
 
Also worth noting is that if you make a habit of tripping every week, you will also lose the magic and it will take a long time to get back. Physical tolerance is just one kind of psychedelic tolerance... mental tolerance is much harder to get rid of. But if you always leave enough space in between trips to forget what it's like to trip, you'll never develop it.

Lord knows it can be hard to do though, if you come to really enjoy tripping... I sometimes fear I've forever lost the ability to trip like I used to because I spent 2006 and 2007 tripping way too often. I tripped multiple times a week for most of those two years, and even after a 4.5 month break, I could barely trip. Currently I'm tripping with much less frequency but I never seem to encounter anything new... it's become mostly recreational. Lots of fun, but no reality displacement.
 
I am going to trip on them in about a week, and after having 4 trips and considering myself "semi-experienced" with this substance I want to try a different setting. I have done two trips in nature last month and want to try to get a more visionary trip with more meditation (and maybe weed) or going outside with a sober person and go to a nice spot in nature where nobody can see us, and smoking a good bag of weed. Which one would you guys choose and why?

I really enjoy LSA and want to get the most out of it. :) I'll probably get around 20 seeds so I can take 10-12 at a time, finely crushed with a peppermill into powder and put in gelcaps and have a good trip. %)
 
^Last time I used a pepper mill and got very good results, didn't expect it to work either but ended up with a very fine powder. Only thing left to do is putting the stuff into gelcaps and swallow, should take only 15 minutes or so :)

I grinded 1 or 2 seeds at a time tho, and getting the powder into gelcaps can be a bit tricky but I got good results overall last time. :)

Can't wait until I can trip again, luckily it's only one week before I can get them. =D
 
ive just discovered an accessible morning glory plant. it is a vivid purple color, and displayed in the erowid image vault. however i'm completely new to LSA. will these seeds be psychoactive?

also, due to the unfortunate circumstance of not having a scale... how many seeds do you recommend taking for a first timer? (first timer to lsa, im experienced with lsd, psilocybin, nn-dmt)
im very excited for this new find of accesible morning glory, and i hope to not have my enthusiasm shot down by the words along the lines of "the purples ones dont do shit!"

thanks guys
 
from what ive gathered about 6 grams worth of seed is a good starting point. if you dont have scales the weight is on the front of the seed pack.
 
i also did not buy them in seed packs, i am "harvesting" them from a neighbors backyard.

my only measurement seems to be the number of seeds.
 
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