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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy ETH-LAD Thread

^ Hm interesting... thnx, maybe I can combine an order with something else.

By 2C-B-FLY it is I meant that I am leaning towards opting for that expensive psychedelic but I can't pick em all. Also I should definitely avoid collecting too many again before I eat what I still have lying around.
 
Solipsis said:
^ Hm interesting... thnx, maybe I can combine an order with something else.

By 2C-B-FLY it is I meant that I am leaning towards opting for that expensive psychedelic but I can't pick em all. Also I should definitely avoid collecting too many again before I eat what I still have lying around.
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Everything I've read about 2c-b-fly seems to be vaguely underwhelming, and people seem hell-bent on justifying its worth because of its novelty status and the reports of it in PiHKaL. I dunno, it seems to me like it'd probably be some sort-of-lame cross between a mild psychedelic and not-exceptional entactogen.

Whereas ETH is extremely psychedelic. For me, it's a little too easy for me to trip too much on it for me anymore, but I am extremely sensitive to most psychedelics these days. I did have some very intense/good/interesting experiences on it, though.
 
It's not even a debate in my mind, ETH-LAD is *far* more compelling than 2C-B-fly. It's the new kid on the block and brother to the venerated LSD. It's the most potent 5ht2a agonist we know of (I think this is true anyways..) and the trip is awesome.

Full disclouse though.. I've been obsessed with ETH-LAD since I first heard about it, so I have an agenda here, and am very biased towards it. And I haven't tried 2C-B-fly, but my impression is in line with IamMe90's above^. Ann Shulgin really dug this one, and it seems the reputation emanated out from there. IIRC she said at one point that it seemed to be a quirk that the drug agreed with her so well, and that it didn't seem to have the same magic for most other people.
 
perpetualdawn have you tried any of the other new lysergics as well? Your statements are compelling to say the least....
 
Hey perpetualdawn, have you managed to try 4-HO-DET yet? Or 4-AcO-DET? (They're pretty interchangeable for me.) Just curious because I'm very interested in what your opinion on it is/will be, I've had it in the back of my mind since I read your 300 ug ETH-LAD report right after I signed up here. If you recall, I was intrigued at the time by the way you described your super intense trip because it felt similar to when I try to grasp the ineffable nature of a strong 4-HO-DET trip, with the fact that ETH-LAD and 4-HO-DET are structurally quite similar. I did try ETH-LAD myself recently at 100 ug and I felt that it did have some similarities to lower doses of 4-HO-DET, and also in retrospect to 4-HO-EPT which is even more structurally similar, but I haven't yet been to that level of heavy tripping on it that you and others have described.
 
Haha yeah, sometimes we have that weird connection with specific drugs for whatever reason. I REALLY love 2C-P, for example, but it doesn't seem to be particularly popular at all. I guess I've just had important trips on it that were in the right timing and at the right setting. If expectations can play a role in our trips, then things like personal attachment and preferences certainly compound that factor.

But anyway, yeah, ETH-LAD is worthwhile, really. Another color to the same lysergamide flavour. I must admit that the come-up bodyload was too much for me at 100 ug, not in an unbearably uncomfortable way, but it felt oddly sedating and I felt very heavy. At 50 ug all body load issues were gone and I still tripped. I'm thinking of taking 2x 50 ug an hour appart the next time. Maybe that will easy the come up a little.

What's your prefered dosage with this one, Perpetualdawn? I remember you were one of the first enthusiasts of this compound.
 
I've had these tabs for almost two years, and finally get around to dosing 300ug blast off - then, nothing!!
Maybe the went bad?
 
I've tried LSZ and AL-LAD. I really liked AL-LAD, very magical light and lovely. LSZ didn't seem to have anything wrong with it, and I'd like to give it another go at some point. Of the 3 new lysergamides I've tried, ETH-LAD has my focus. As approachable and kind as it comes off, it's a powerhouse of a molecule and demands some serious respect, be careful with it.

LSZ is the nerdy girl you had a fling with, that you keep meaning to go back to, but get distracted by prettier and more approachable things.
AL-LAD is the super pretty girl who's tons of fun. It's always a blast to hang out with her, but maybe she doesn't capture your heart.
ETH-LAD is that down-to-earth mega babe who you want to marry. Don't push her too hard or she will kick your ass. Treat her just right and she's the best thing that happened to you.

Flip the gender around in that analogy if you aren't sexually oriented towards females. Also not sure how seriously to take that analogy haha.

Haven't tried 1P-LSD or ALD-52 yet, because I was under the theory that these would be indistinguishable from LSD. Now, I've softened my opinion and I do want to try them myself, eventually.
 
Haha it does sound pretty damn good ;)

I have the same thing with not really believing that 1P-LSD or ALD-52 are noticably different, not having read anything to the contrary certainly contributes to that idea. I have some 1P somewhere in storage, I think it came as a free sample along with my AL-LAD... am in no hurry to retrieve it.

LSZ felt like more hi-def or laser-sharp compared to LSD but otherwise not so unique that I would go out of my way for it.

AL-LAD doesn't necessarily have that much less impact on me than LSD, so the lightheartedness doens't come at a high price at all. 4-HO-MET on the other hand has the creative thinking and is special, but the ease means that it necessarily is NOT punishing like mushrooms are, so I think that really must mean that it can't teach a hard lesson, which would usually be a lesson well learnt (sic?).

2C-B-FLY sounded really great like maybe close to the 2C-T-X series but generally quite benign, in that erowid article about some tens (?) of people who all took it at the same occasion and completed surveys on it.

I guess it doesn't quite live up to that then.. :?
 
Kaleida said:
Hey perpetualdawn, have you managed to try 4-HO-DET yet? Or 4-AcO-DET? (They're pretty interchangeable for me.)
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No I haven't tried either of those yet, but they are certainly intruiging. 4-HO-EPT even moreso, I'm following that one with a close eye.

Img_9999 said:
What's your prefered dosage with this one, Perpetualdawn? I remember you were one of the first enthusiasts of this compound.
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Depends what you want. I've tried it at non-micro doses only twice, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. 150µg seems perfect to me though.
BTW I really liked 2C-P as well. Haven't tried it much yet, but it was really nice at a pretty low dose.

Boognish said:
I've had these tabs for almost two years, and finally get around to dosing 300ug blast off - then, nothing!!
Maybe the went bad?
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Damn that sucks. How did you store them? Maybe ETH-LAD really is the fragile molecule. How did you have the tabs for two years already?

Solipsis said:
2C-B-FLY sounded really great like maybe close to the 2C-T-X series but generally quite benign, in that erowid article about some tens (?) of people who all took it at the same occasion and completed surveys on it.

I guess it doesn't quite live up to that then..
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I dunno I think the jury's still out a bit. Don't let a couple of people's strong opinions, who haven't even tried it, spoil the possibility of magic.
 
perpetualdawn said:
No I haven't tried either of those yet, but they are certainly intruiging. 4-HO-EPT even moreso, I'm following that one with a close eye.
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Got it, thanks for the update. :) And I'm totally with you there.... My plan was to try a few other molecules first, but I'm thinking that for my next trip I might give 4-HO-EPT another shot instead; the first experience was quite satisfying, but ultimately still just a taste. I should have time for a trip on Monday though, so I think I might take around 35-40 mg and focus more on the experience than taking any notes this time, and see just how deep I can go....
 
Marry a lysergamide wtf has this thread degraded to?
So has anyone else noticed degraded 2+ year old tabs thanks kind bros
 
perpetualdawn said:
Haven't tried 1P-LSD or ALD-52 yet, because I was under the theory that these would be indistinguishable from LSD. Now, I've softened my opinion and I do want to try them myself, eventually.
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I haven't tried ALD-52, but I believe 1P-LSD and ALD-52 are those very hot twins that make it very difficult to decide which one you should hit and that smell like your old girlfriend.
 
Solipsis said:
ETH-LAD is worth the effort like AL-LAD is? Or just another lysergamide like I think LSZ is, novel to try but ultimately a little pointless comparing the difference to LSD?..

(I love how friendly AL-LAD is, similar to 4-HO-MET, still have some liquid and crystal locked away somewhere but can't really afford all that many expensive psychedelics. I think 2C-B-FLY it is..)
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I really liked ETH-LAD / 1p-ETH-LAD, much more so than AL-LAD, especially once you go beyond 150 µg (of ETH).

AL-LAD felt shallow, 1p-LSD felt too abstract; high-dose ETH-LAD, OTOH seems to exert intense pressure on the psyche without totally deforming it... how can I put this...? With LSD, the mindfuck seems to be more on the inside, where your mind starts attempting to deconstruct basic abstract concepts (like "vast" and "expanse"); with ETH-LAD, the core of your personality stays relatively stable, but it is being bombarded by all these sensory impressions and memories and thought loops whereas with LSD-25, the mindrape seems to be more on the inside, where your mind starts attempting to deconstructunraveldissect basic abstract concepts (like "spatial" and "x/y/z-axis"); with 6-Ethyl-6-Nor-LSD, the core of your personality stays relatively stable, but it is being bombarded by all these sensory impressions and memories and thought loOUROBOROS whereas with Lysergsäurediäythlamid... 8(

Edit: P.S: And even at low doses, I thought ETH's visuals were more interesting than AL's, with a comparable degree of mindfuck (again, comparing 1 tab for 1 tab, i.e. 100 µg of ETH vs 150 of AL)
 
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