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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy ETH-LAD Thread

Peacephrog1972 said:
I sure hope the body load isn't worse than a cocaine overdose!!!??!
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LMAO! I personally never had an issue with bodyload, even at 300ug. I always found it to just feel really good, nice. No issues.. Probably the only analogue that feels better is Ald-52, with a complete lack of anxiety. Al-lad probably is the worse for me out of the bunch. For me.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
I sure hope the body load isn't worse than a cocaine overdose!!!??!
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I didn't get any bodyload at all at 300ug, my body felt great. I can't imagine any psychedelic's bodyload is going to be as bad as a cocaine overdose at any point. I mean unless maybe you take a dangerous overdose of something that is dangerous when overdosed, like 2C-T-7.
 
Jokes y'all. I mean it was pretty pleasant at 400 µg, it felt good physically I'm just glad I didn't take more! I just hadn't tripped that hard in a loooong time.
 
Ive done ETH-LAD at 150 and 50 ug. It was pretty cool but didn't feel as clean as 1p or regular lsd to me. Also I have had legit hppd for about two weeks after this experience. It isn't that bad and doesn't effect learning at school or doing sports really, but I constantly notice vibrant colors and slight movement in stuff that im not looking directly at. Also text moves the same way it would while at the very tail end of an lsd trip.

I won't really mind if this never goes away because it doesn't effect the way I think at all (at least that I can notice) and makes me notice how beautiful stuff is more often. I will never take this substance again because I don't want to make it worse though. I will try to remember to come back in a few weeks to give you guys an update about whether it goes away or not.

Edit: HPPD went away completely like 2 weeks ago.
 
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Wow, that's weird that you got HPPD off a "normal" dose. Was your trip challenging in any way?
Also, how active were those 50 ug ? Was it enough to experience some psychedelia, or was it mainly threshold ? I have some of this stashed since January, and think I'll be doing them soon with a psychedelic naive friend. I though this was perfect for a first timer as people say it got a lighter head-space than LSD, but also this one's supposed to be very potent. Don't want my friend to have an overwhelming first time :P
 
Img_9999 said:
Wow, that's weird that you got HPPD off a "normal" dose. Was your trip challenging in any way?
Also, how active were those 50 ug ? Was it enough to experience some psychedelia, or was it mainly threshold ? I have some of this stashed since January, and think I'll be doing them soon with a psychedelic naive friend. I though this was perfect for a first timer as people say it got a lighter head-space than LSD, but also this one's supposed to be very potent. Don't want my friend to have an overwhelming first time :P
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I would definitely not recommend ETH-LAD as a first psychedelic. The clearheadedness does nothing to alleviate the astounding intensity, and a few people have reported physical side effects or nausea that might make a bad first impression. It's also a very good idea to get a feel for a newbie's natural tolerance before trying substances with such a steep dose/response curve. What might be an average or even underwhelming dose for you or I could be very intense for someone else, especially if they lack experience.
 
Agree with above poster. Ethyl LSD should remain a research chemical for people like us, who seek out and find these molecules to properly research. Giving random research chemicals to people for their first time isn't the best idea especially with something like Ethyl LSD. Like mentioned it is very clear headed, but does nothing to remove the intensity, the general feeling of Lysergic Acid in your brain and body, is a very "intense" feeling in the sense giving you the feeling of having to strap into your seat belt and hold onto the ride, that's just the general feel of Lysergic Acid, gets more intense in higher doses to the point eventually you can't even talk or move if you do take enough. Ethyl is not a first timer thing, it is known to cause nausea in quite a few people I'd say 50/50 and I even know people who commonly puke on it, especially in doses of 300ug. It's 40% stronger than LSD by weight meaning the dose curve is gonna be alarmingly steep after a certain point. I noticed some minor leg tremors on the peak as well. I would put a first timer on something natural, like Mushrooms or Mescaline.
 
I don't really think something natural would be more appropriate than something synthetic for a first timer. If nausea is the concern, mushrooms and cactus are very prone to inducing that too. Also, correctly estimating the dose from a natural source is a lot more difficult.

My first time tripping was with an LSD blotter of unknown dosage, and I titrated from a quarter of a tab, which really gave me nothing but a stoned feeling, to half a tab on a different day which had me tripping really hardcore (In retrospect I would say the tabs where dosed at least at 250 ugs, because it was really intense visually and mentally). I reckon nothing would have prepared me for the point where I crossed that threshold from "feeling high" to "tripping balls" which was rather unexpected from my previous trial with those tabs. But I had a wonderful, if very intense time actually. So I don't think the intensity of the experience can be removed from the first time, because that feeling of "lysergic acid in your brain and body" as you said it, is completely unimaginable until experienced.

With a few exceptions (Like extremely long lasting substances, or the ones with a pretty nasty body-load and a darker mindfuck), I don't think the substance is as important for a first time as the dosage. I don't think the general intensity of the experience is such a concern unless you are in a setting that makes you vulnerable. A high enough dose of most psychedelics, on the other hand, can have your mind raped, and that would be more of a concern for me at least. So I think psychedelics with a higher (Emotional+Visuals+Spiritual effects/Mindfuck) ratio could be a good candidate for a first-timer. That's how I see it anyway, but maybe because I trust in my own first experience as a satisfactory one.


All of that said, I still agree that maybe it is a little reckless sharing this compound with a friend without knowing beforehand what I'm getting us into. I've reconsidered this and think I'll taste it by myself first and decide a posterior if I want to share this experience. Thanks for your input.
 
Yeah I would have to point out the logocal fallacy in the Natural vs. Synthetic. While eth-lad wouldn't be the best for the first time probably something gental like 4-ho-met, al-lad, or 2c-b would be a way better starter than say mushrooms IMO. Way less confusing/scary.
I think you know better than anybody here what your friends can handle, let me know how your experiments pan out!
 
Isn't it better, when people try to understand a psychedelic experience, and want to experience, to give them a proper one?
One where every aspect of it is touched, including the way it can fuck with your head?

Personally I didn't even know what mushrooms did (thought it was like cannabis) the first time, I was 15, alone (except for my parents that were sleeping), had no internet, and no one I knew who could explain to me what was happening.
Wasn't a good experience, but I never lost interest since that day.

But if you explain very well what will, or can happen then I believe mushrooms or LSD-25 with all potential mindfucks, is a great choice.

Eth-lad not so, it's got a very specific, almost sterile aspect to it, it lacks some character imo.
 
I only mentioned the natural aspect because at least in my mind, I would want someones introduction to be as "spiritual" and "natural" as possible, I'm sure most people would feel more comfortable trying something that comes right from our earth's top soil as their first experience than something from a lab. Yes you should definitely educate and let them know what may happen so they are pre-prepared. Most people spiral into a bad trip on a substance because they didn't research enough, example if you are unsuspecting of nausea and you get some it could send you spiraling if you are unaware that it will pass.

I just don't see any of the lysergics having as much spiritual potential as our natural enthenogenic counterparts. At least to me, lysergics aren't always completely comfortable and at times it does feel quite intense and synthetic in an "un-natural" way. I would say 2 to 2.5 grams of cubensis for a first timer is always a good time. Take them out into nature and do it right, mushrooms are made for you, to cleanse your being of conflicting thought and emotional turmoil within the self and to dissolve the barriers of your ego in the most natural way possible, it almost always floods your being with peace and love as well, reaches easily points of break through and enlightenment on certain aspects of your life.

I'm different from most people though and lysergics just don't feel completely normal/natural in my body as our ones straight from Earth. I prefer a more comfortable trip, and relaxed able to free yourself to the experience. Lsd you can't always do that, and sometimes you don't get too many eye opening realizations, it's very intense in a different aspect and not everybody is able to relax completely on that substance. At least in my world the methyl group of LSD dosen't work with my bodies anxiety and I would prefer not to be stimulated to the point of being awake for 17 hours, it just doesn't feel as natural and pure as it could and that's the only reason, let them decide if they want to do research chemicals after they are introduced to Earth.
 
eclipse3130 said:
I only mentioned the natural aspect because at least in my mind, I would want someones introduction to be as "spiritual" and "natural" as possible, I'm sure most people would feel more comfortable trying something that comes right from our earth's top soil as their first experience than something from a lab. Yes you should definitely educate and let them know what may happen so they are pre-prepared. Most people spiral into a bad trip on a substance because they didn't research enough, example if you are unsuspecting of nausea and you get some it could send you spiraling if you are unaware that it will pass.

I just don't see any of the lysergics having as much spiritual potential as our natural enthenogenic counterparts. At least to me, lysergics aren't always completely comfortable and at times it does feel quite intense and synthetic in an "un-natural" way. I would say 2 to 2.5 grams of cubensis for a first timer is always a good time. Take them out into nature and do it right, mushrooms are made for you, to cleanse your being of conflicting thought and emotional turmoil within the self and to dissolve the barriers of your ego in the most natural way possible, it almost always floods your being with peace and love as well, reaches easily points of break through and enlightenment on certain aspects of your life.

I'm different from most people though and lysergics just don't feel completely normal/natural in my body as our ones straight from Earth. I prefer a more comfortable trip, and relaxed able to free yourself to the experience. Lsd you can't always do that, and sometimes you don't get too many eye opening realizations, it's very intense in a different aspect and not everybody is able to relax completely on that substance. At least in my world the methyl group of LSD dosen't work with my bodies anxiety and I would prefer not to be stimulated to the point of being awake for 17 hours, it just doesn't feel as natural and pure as it could and that's the only reason, let them decide if they want to do research chemicals after they are introduced to Earth.
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You don't like LSD as much as mushrooms, cool. That doesn't make it any less "spiritual," "deep," or well suited to anyone else. It also has no bearing whatsoever on the patently false dichotomy between natural and synthetic substances. It's just your subjective experience.

Also, whether or not something comes from the "Earth's top soil," or a lab, is really neither here nor there to me, and the same is true for many others.
 
eclipse3130 said:
I'm sure most people would feel more comfortable trying something that comes right from our earth's top soil as their first experience than something from a lab.
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I'm sure you're right about that, but I think it should always be pointed out that it is nonsense to think about it in such absolute terms. This is what's leading teenagers to try Datura and stuff like that, because they think if it grows in nature it can't be that dangerous. And of course it's your right to not like LSD and not recommend it to others, but tbh describing synthetic substances as "feeling un-natural" has always struck me as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nonetheless I would agree that mushrooms are a pretty good introduction to psychedelics, because I feel the duration of LSD could be too much for a beginner to enjoy and also, as BlueMerlin said, the first psychedelic experience should be a 'proper' one. Some people say somehting lighhearted and rather shallow like 2C-B for example would be a good introduction, but I feel like that would likely give a wrong impression of what psychedelics are about.

I still haven't tried ETH-LAD unfortunately. Not sure if I will too soon, I think I have tripped a bit too often lately and a little break may be in order.
 
Yeah the whole natural vs. synthetic thing is a major fallacy of logic, a chemical is a chemical whether it was biosynthesized in nature, or whether it was produced in a lab. I can see why someone might want to introduce someone to something deeper on thier first excursion, which is another reason why cacti would he a bad choice (imo) for someones furst time. It isn't signifigantly deep, but the preperation, taste, nausea, and unpredicablness of dose might turn of some first timers, not to mention the duration. I would say it would really vary from person to person what the best introduction would really be, depending on who THEY are not how we feel about certian drugs. Everyone's response is going to be different so we can't expect one compound to be the perfect intro for everyone.
 
I'm not down playing LSD in anyway, it's a fantastic drug for many people and I didn't say I wouldn't recommend it for someone's first time either just lay them down the truth. Mushrooms are from the earth un altered, LSD deriviate is from Earth as well but chemically synthesized and altered into a different molecule. In the end there's nothing to argue what is better than what, because it's all the same in a way. It's all subjective, it's all personal chemistry and what works for you.
 
tokezu said:
Nonetheless I would agree that mushrooms are a pretty good introduction to psychedelics, because I feel the duration of LSD could be too much for a beginner to enjoy and also, as BlueMerlin said, the first psychedelic experience should be a 'proper' one. Some people say somehting lighhearted and rather shallow like 2C-B for example would be a good introduction, but I feel like that would likely give a wrong impression of what psychedelics are about.
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Actually, I would suggest that for someone starting out psychedelics to try 2-CB-FLY at lower dosage (10mg) as, unlike 2-CB at this dosage, it has some depth to it. It gives someone the 'feel' to psychs - gentle and controlled introspection whilst very positive and fun. Ideal for first timers. I hadn't tripped in over a year and the fly at 'low-dose' 10mg was exactly what I was looking for. A few others have reported similar experiences.
 
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