Lysergamides The Big & Dandy ETH-LAD Thread

[sean107]

I haven't tried the combination personally but it should be safe seeing as ETH-LAD is very, very similar to LSD. LSD has been combined with MDMA for a few decades now and generally the combination gets great reviews. Never heard of MDMA interacting negatively with lysergimides unless the doses were too high, setting was wrong, etc.

 

[ShroomySatori]

Thanks! I'm think that this substance has VAST potential from what I have experienced so far! I think it is possible for me personally to enjoy this more than LSD itself. Which would be REALLY difficult to wager but this is almost feeling like a candy flip in itself!

 

[IamMe90]

Actually, I would suggest that for someone starting out psychedelics to try 2-CB-FLY at lower dosage (10mg) as, unlike 2-CB at this dosage, it has some depth to it. It gives someone the 'feel' to psychs - gentle and controlled introspection whilst very positive and fun. Ideal for first timers. I hadn't tripped in over a year and the fly at 'low-dose' 10mg was exactly what I was looking for. A few others have reported similar experiences.

I won't mention specifics, since that's against the rules, but let's just say that I think the price will be a bit of a barrier for someone just starting to dip their toes in the water.

 

[IamMe90]

I'm on it right now and I agree completely. Especially wih what you're saying regarding harm reduction, it's so important that people are not advised this as a first time psych. And too be really careful going over 150ug. You don't want to bite off more than you can chew with this material... Well, i hope you're not chewing it at all. And there wouldn't be anything to bite except your own tongue. If this extremely intense fate has befallen your consciousness, ride the rollercoaster through your mind and I promise, believe it or not, you'll come down from the extreme, extreme intensity of this high

. The nausea was killing my vibe until I puked. I was attempting to feel better by smoking weed when I vomittd wildly, and then just went back to hitting the bong as if I didn't just vomit gruesomely. I tink there was even puke in the bong. And yes it was very clearheaded about it amd made me giggle. As soon as I puked I felt so much better of course. But then those oats were no longer in my tummy were they. The trip itself has been magical this is a truly remarkable substance. I pulled it together but thought i was going to die for a while. I seriously confused my hands with my feet. The sheer intensity is extreme. is a huge potential for bad trips with this compound imo but it can be very eye opening ; ) and remember that those can be fucking traumatizing, man. That being said I consider this stuff sacred and magical and i plan on dropping more of it in the future

Everyone reacts differently to every psychedelic compound. They're inherently unpredictable and subjective experiences. That said, I really don't think there's any evidence to support the claim that ETH-LAD is particularly or uniquely unpredictable - I think we can attribute most of the perceived variance in intensity/effects to its incredibly low threshold dose and steep response curve. Just be careful, titrate up slowly, and you should be fine.

Honestly, I don't really think the side effect profile is that bad, all things considered. Compared to other lysergamides? Maybe - MAYBE - it has a higher rate of negative side effects in the general population. I don't think there's too much evidence to make any conclusive claims to that end, but I won't rule it out. But on the whole (compared to most tryptamines and phenethylamines)? Honestly, those classes tend to produce much more nausea and other negative bodyload.

TLDR: Be careful with your dose, and you'll probably be fine. Start with 100ug at the most. Titrate up by 25ug if you have blotter. You'll probably hit your sweet spot before getting to the point that you feel like you're dying.

 

[IamMe90]

I have a similar reaction to these things. I'm really happy I did this because it made me realize that psychedelics, apart from a little natural DMT or mushrooms, offer nothing to me. I will never use them again. I have no interest in chasing 'enlightenment' through these compounds anymore. I will be doing so through the many other more natural and reasonable means such as yoga, studying quantum physics, and smoking hash. I do not trust whoever is tinkering with the structure of acid and making this stuff obviously just for profit. I honestly think it needs to be way more regulated than it is now.

I cautiously trust the mushrooms of mother nature and the prolific DMT. They vibe with my body so well. I have sworn off any synthetic psychedelic compound forever. The physical energy of them never sits right with me. I can't trust unresearched drugs that have not evolved with nature over eons of time. I know how bad chronic health problems can be. It can't be healthy to be that extremely, overly stimulated for so long. Who knows what the long term effects could be, it's literally russian roulette with not just your brain but your whole entire body. Like how ketamine randomly causes bladder damage. Who knows what this shit could do.

I'm happy to enjoy cannabinoids, they project me into a state of tranquil meditation. I gain infinitely more from the subtle push of cannabis when used on a regularly, steady basis than from the sheer, extreme intensity of these much less frequent acid trips. That's just too much for me, I'm too mellow for a cup of coffee and a couple days later I've forgotten all about the trip. I'm not a thrill seeker. I have no reason for anything stronger than weed and I am grateful to have realized this. What percentage of psychedelic users who are using for 'spiritual purposes' have actually sat down and meditated or reflected on their lives while sober? How many have studied the world's religions, know a thing about quantum physics, do anything charitable, or explored and questioned their own beliefs deeply at all? Honestly I don't think psychedelic users are any wiser as a whole than anyone else.

That being said, I benefitted from the trip. I dropped my interest in tripping overnight, which is really just one less distraction from the things in my life which are so more important than drugs. Besides, there are other drugs I am so much more interested in than psychedelics and at the end of the day poly-drug abuse is pretty stupid. So goodbye, psychedelics. I'll be able to focus more strongly on yoga, and spiritual texts while smoking cannabis in moderation. Luckily I enjoy weed though because it's so much less problematic to society than these synthetic drugs (and natural ones are always so much more accessible and you don't have to deal with shady characters who base their existence on helping others get high). Even if I have some magical trip where I see God, I just don't want to choose to be a part of this scene, and as a user you play a part in the entire phenomenon. That person in the straight jacket who took too much acid, that's a manifestation of yourself as well. Even if you are a 'hardhead'. Bad acid trips are very common and they are BAD. This all being said I still benefitted strongly from the trip, but I would never use it again nor did I enjoy myself. I liked lsd and al-lad when I tried them but that doesn't mean they are of value to me.

Psychedelics aren't for you, aight bro - drop the sanctimonious bullshit. You're on the wrong website for that.

 

[mescaphysicality94]

The man who made this compound originally had no intent in making profits off it's mass production that is for sure. The people making it now for profit aren't the ones who were making the tweaks to it's structure, Shulgin did this truly in the name of pioneering. I wouldn't go so far a calling the diffence of a methyl group russian roullette either. I think the whole sythetic vs. natural thing is an extreme fallacy of logic as I stated prior, I feel people are so hung up on this when there are so many harmless sythetic compounds and natural poisons. I personally get more negative effects from the "natural pychedelic" shrooms because of the effect of the fruit bodies on my stomache I am never able to bring back anything besides a really distorted view of the toilet compared to sythetic 4-subs which allow me to enjoy the experience and bring something back from them. Since aquiring them I doubt I will eat mushrooms for a long tome to come and I have no shortage of them around. In my eyes they are inferior tools and I prefer extract if I have to use them instead. I like knowing my exact doses which is another issue with "natural" psyhcedelics. Anotherthing that solidifies the whole notion for me is that lsd(not found in nature) has been proven safer in overdose than psilocin(found in nature). While mushrooms have never caised anyones deatg pure psilocin has, and while the dose was unmeassured and surely absolutely ridicoulous it proves just because something is sythesized in nature doesn't make it inherently safer.

I have more than a passing interest in several of the things you have mentioned, I think that you are assuming many of us don't comes off as a bit pretentious. I have taken several theology and anthropology classes as well as cources in astronomy and physics. My girlfriend is also atuned to Reiki so I am deeply in touch with these matters as well. Even if I wasn't that statement seems very much like an ego-trip to me, maybe I am oercieving it wrong but it sounds 'holier than thou' to me. I feel like I have much more of an interest in these things than some of my more "straight laced" friends, though there are some who will hold a truly intellectual conversation and I am no more superior than them for being into these things.

 

[Img_9999]

Honestly I don't think psychedelic users are any wiser as a whole than anyone else.

Of course we are not ! We are just trying to make sense of what's around us just like anybody else! If your intention for getting into psychedelics was to achieve some kind of "enlightment" then no wonder you turned away disappointed ! Obviously tripping can't turn you into a PhD in Quantum Mechanics with a vast understanding of the spiritual matters, but psychedelics are a great tool to learn about ourselves and understand how those things appeal to us and how they work for us. It's okay if you think there's nothing else you can learn. If that means you are using more time in what's really valuable for you, then congratulations for that wonderful new found motivation !! But saying that "we", psychedelic users aren't wiser than anybody else adds nothing to your realization because of course we aren't - We are in fact a very heterogeneous bunch, as to make any generalization absurd.





On the topic of the natural vs synthetic discussion, I wanted to remember this quote by Shulgin which I like very much

Some fascinating studies have been done in Germany where the metabolically active mycelium of some Psilocybe species have been administered diethyltryptamine as a potential diet component. Normally, this mushroom species dutifully converts N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) to psilocin, by introducing a 4-hydroxyl group into the molecule by something that is probably called an indole 4-hydroxylase by the biochemists. You put DMT in, and you get 4-hydroxy-DMT out, and this is psilocin. Maybe if you put Mickey Mouse in, you would get 4-hydroxy-Mickey Mouse out. It is as if the mushroom psyche didn't really care what it was working with, it was simply compelled to do its sacred duty to 4-hydroxylate any tryptamine it came across. It was observed that if you put N,N-diethyltryptamine (DET, not a material found in nature) into the growing process, the dutiful and ignorant enzymes would hydroxylate it to 4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine (4-HO-DET) a potent drug also not known in nature. This is the title drug of this commentary. What a beautiful burr to thrust into the natural versus synthetic controversy. If a plant (a mushroom mycelium in this case) is given a man-made chemical, and this plant converts it, using its natural capabilities, into a product that had never before been known in nature, is that product natural? What is natural? This is the stuff of many long and pointless essays.

 

[sean107]

Copying that quote from Sasha Shulgin into my notes for the next time someone brings up the natural vs. synthetic topic up. So good. On the topic of ETH-LAD I'm going to be trying 100ug for the first time in about 4 days or so, I'm very excited. I've done loads of LSD but the only other LSD analogue I've gotten to try was LSZ, not counting LSA from morning glory seeds anyway. I also have 2 150ug blotters of AL-LAD and 100mg of 4-HO-MiPT on the way, neither of which I've tried. But so, is the general consensus that 100ug ETH-LAD is about equipotent to 150ug of LSD?

 

[mescaphysicality94]

Funny how differently we about cannabis, he states that he sees much more potential in it when I am the oppisite. My use of hash and concetrates has while masking many physical ailments has ceased to spark my creatitity the way it once did. It doesn't matter the strain cannabis makes me apathetic and I have a love-hate relationship with it because of that. On the other hand I use pychedelics sacramentally and on those trips one of the themes is my how my use of cannabis affects my daily life for better and worse. Something cannabis alone definetly doesn't allow me insight into lol. One of the major themes of my trips in general is my drug use, often I will start smoking extremely irresponsibly heavy or using other drugs irresposibly after not tripping for a long period of time, and after a strong trip I tone it back for several months and reflect more on my physical well being.

 

[Hawk-o]

I have a similar reaction to these things. I'm really happy I did this because it made me realize that psychedelics, apart from a little natural DMT or mushrooms, offer nothing to me. I will never use them again. I have no interest in chasing 'enlightenment' through these compounds anymore. I will be doing so through the many other more natural and reasonable means such as yoga, studying quantum physics, and smoking hash. I do not trust whoever is tinkering with the structure of acid and making this stuff obviously just for profit. I honestly think it needs to be way more regulated than it is now.

I cautiously trust the mushrooms of mother nature and the prolific DMT. They vibe with my body so well. I have sworn off any synthetic psychedelic compound forever. The physical energy of them never sits right with me. I can't trust unresearched drugs that have not evolved with nature over eons of time. I know how bad chronic health problems can be. It can't be healthy to be that extremely, overly stimulated for so long. Who knows what the long term effects could be, it's literally russian roulette with not just your brain but your whole entire body. Like how ketamine randomly causes bladder damage. Who knows what this shit could do.

I'm happy to enjoy cannabinoids, they project me into a state of tranquil meditation. I gain infinitely more from the subtle push of cannabis when used on a regularly, steady basis than from the sheer, extreme intensity of these much less frequent acid trips. That's just too much for me, I'm too mellow for a cup of coffee and a couple days later I've forgotten all about the trip. I'm not a thrill seeker. I have no reason for anything stronger than weed and I am grateful to have realized this. What percentage of psychedelic users who are using for 'spiritual purposes' have actually sat down and meditated or reflected on their lives while sober? How many have studied the world's religions, know a thing about quantum physics, do anything charitable, or explored and questioned their own beliefs deeply at all? Honestly I don't think psychedelic users are any wiser as a whole than anyone else.

That being said, I benefitted from the trip. I dropped my interest in tripping overnight, which is really just one less distraction from the things in my life which are so more important than drugs. Besides, there are other drugs I am so much more interested in than psychedelics and at the end of the day poly-drug abuse is pretty stupid. So goodbye, psychedelics. I'll be able to focus more strongly on yoga, and spiritual texts while smoking cannabis in moderation. Luckily I enjoy weed though because it's so much less problematic to society than these synthetic drugs (and natural ones are always so much more accessible and you don't have to deal with shady characters who base their existence on helping others get high). Even if I have some magical trip where I see God, I just don't want to choose to be a part of this scene, and as a user you play a part in the entire phenomenon. That person in the straight jacket who took too much acid, that's a manifestation of yourself as well. Even if you are a 'hardhead'. Bad acid trips are very common and they are BAD. This all being said I still benefitted strongly from the trip, but I would never use it again nor did I enjoy myself. I liked lsd and al-lad when I tried them but that doesn't mean they are of value to me.

Hey Einstein,

You posted your diatribe in the wrong thread, this is the Eth-Lad thread, Big and Dandy you know. Hopefully the Mods will clean this thread up.

 

[mescaphysicality94]

Back on topic, how dose 100ug sound for a concert? Weatherbox, Prawn, and Enemies is playing in my town soon and I thought I might see how this fairs at concert setting. I know it isn't the most easy going chemical around but if I can handle mysekf on a good amount of acod at a concert, would eth-lad be much different.

 

[sean107]

I feel like if you can handle 150ug LSD at a show then you should be okay with 100ug ETH-LAD at a show. I guess I can give you a better personal opinion in 5 days or so when I try it, if the show isn't before then. But as you know my tolerance will still be up there hahaha.

 

[mescaphysicality94]

I feel like if you can handle 150ug LSD at a show then you should be okay with 100ug ETH-LAD at a show. I guess I can give you a better personal opinion in 5 days or so when I try it, if the show isn't before then. But as you know my tolerance will still be up there hahaha.

Yeah I could push that without much discomfort at all, I am thinking it shouldn't be an issue. Interested if many people have tried it in such a setting, and how they found it to be. The show is rather soon though hahah!

 

[Beenhead]

Jus just want to say one thing about the natural vs synthetic deal. Mushrooms that folks are taking these days are about as natural and close to the stuff you pick in the cow fields at night, as white widow is to Mexican brick weed.
They have been grown in a sterile environment and fed to maximize potency. Most people these days have probably never walked a field, found psilcybe mushrooms, eaten them under the moonlight and taken the rest home to make tea.
I am excited as hell to get the chance to try these lysergamides!

 

[mescaphysicality94]

Jus just want to say one thing about the natural vs synthetic deal. Mushrooms that folks are taking these days are about as natural and close to the stuff you pick in the cow fields at night, as white widow is to Mexican brick weed.
They have been grown in a sterile environment and fed to maximize potency. Most people these days have probably never walked a field, found psilcybe mushrooms, eaten them under the moonlight and taken the rest home to make tea.
I am excited as hell to get the chance to try these lysergamides!

Very valid point there, I have taken wild mushrooms on a few ocassions but very few!

 

[tokezu]

Jus just want to say one thing about the natural vs synthetic deal. Mushrooms that folks are taking these days are about as natural and close to the stuff you pick in the cow fields at night, as white widow is to Mexican brick weed.
They have been grown in a sterile environment and fed to maximize potency. Most people these days have probably never walked a field, found psilcybe mushrooms, eaten them under the moonlight and taken the rest home to make tea.

That's an interesting point in regards to how "natural" mushrooms are that you grew at home, but are they really that much more potent? Do you have a source?

ShroomySatori, do you get your hash at production cost? If not it's a little unfair to hate on lysergamide producers for wanting to make a profit, don't you think?

 

[Img_9999]

Sounds like a really rough trip. I can see how that held energy can become tension and anger. Glad you had no lasting side effects. Maybe apart from the setting, the fact that you were hitting your bong really made thing go south body-load wise, instead of helping with it. Cannabis really intensifies trips, and if you were having a bad time maybe it made you more harm than good.

 

[TheBlackPirate]

Funkadelica,

I strongly recommend against people using an unproven research chemical such as 2C-B-FLY as the first psychedelics they consume. Extremely few reports exist on the chemical and other 2C-X drugs caused physical complications. Such chemicals require special precautions. Given the potential risks novice users should choose something they won't have to vet.

I recommend the famous classical psychedelic LSD.

 

[Phluffhead]

Yeah I could push that without much discomfort at all, I am thinking it shouldn't be an issue. Interested if many people have tried it in such a setting, and how they found it to be. The show is rather soon though hahah!

My gf and I took 150ug at a concert. However, we split the dose about 70 minutes apart.

75ug each to "pre game"

+70 minutes take the other 75ug when we arrived at the venue. Had a blast, never got too intense... However i ran into a buddy o hadn't seen in a while but couldn't hold a conversation. Had to just tell him I'm tripping too hard to talk.

Great night over all. Ended the night with a few lines of k

 

[emilium]

Jus just want to say one thing about the natural vs synthetic deal. Mushrooms that folks are taking these days are about as natural and close to the stuff you pick in the cow fields at night, as white widow is to Mexican brick weed.
They have been grown in a sterile environment and fed to maximize potency. Most people these days have probably never walked a field, found psilcybe mushrooms, eaten them under the moonlight and taken the rest home to make tea.
I am excited as hell to get the chance to try these lysergamides!

I agree and complete : Chemistry is a nature science and nature is some wild laboratory. There are many natural poisons (ex : hemlock), and articicial candies for our minds (ec : eth-lad). Whoever has taken peyolts has taken many alkaloïds he cannot even name. Thus falls the argument which says that at leats you know what you are taking when you take natural drugs. IMO mushrooms, or 4-ho-dmt, is shorter in duration but much harder on your thought than LSD, which is harder than eth-lad as many noticed. Sorry for being out topics : eth-lad is artificial and is great ! Datura is natural and is very dangerous. I've never seen anybody enjoying the experience even if some do think the experience was beneficial somehow. There is nothing but mysticism and ignorance in the claim that natural drugs are safer and/or better than artificial ones... Did not want to hurt anyone saying that, but only making a point...